The Seven Seals

[Watching for Jesus]

Hi, Enoch 2021.

 

I thought this forum was a way to get my opinions out to others.  If I am wrong about that, I am sorry.

 

I don't think anyone can really say 100% for sure when the 1st seal was or will be opened, or the 2nd, or the 3rd, etc.

 

I do know for sure that the "tribulation of those days" mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 24:29, which refers to the great tribulation period, ends when the signs in the sun and the moon appear.  These signs also appear when the 6th seal is opened.  Therefore, the great tribulation period ends when the 6th seal is opened.

 

The abomination of desolation is also mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 24:15 and is the starting point of the great tribulation period (Matthew 24:21).

 

The timeline would be:

 

 

the abomination of desolation             the great tribulation period begins          the great tribulation ends         6th seal opened and the signs in the sun and the moon

 

 

The 7th seal has to be opened after the 6th seal, and then the 7 angels are given the 7 trumpets, and then the 7 vials.

 

Everything that occurs after the 6th seal is after the great tribulation period.  This is why I said that the great tribulation period is not the end of the 7 year tribulation period.  I believe the 7 trumpets and the 7 vials are included within the 7 years of Daniel's 70th week.

 

If you do not want to even consider that the stars of heaven falling may refer to the first 6 trumpets and vials.  What can I do?

 

When the 2nd trumpet sounds, a great mountain of fire falls into the sea (perhaps an asteroid or comet), when the 3rd trumpet sounds, a star falls as a lamp (perhaps an asteroid or a comet), when the 5th trumpet sounds a star falls (I believe an angel) and unlocks the bottomless pit, and when the 6th trumpet sounds another angel (perhaps falling as a star) looses the 4 angels bound in the Euphrates River.

 

The stars of heaven falling could refer to comets, asteroids or angels looking like a star.

 

If you need me to post all the scriptures, it would take me a while.  I would think that anyone who has studied Bible prophecy would know most of the scriptures and timelines that I am referring to.

 

Jeff

[other one]

If you need me to post all the scriptures, it would take me a while.  I would think that anyone who has studied Bible prophecy would know most of the scriptures and timelines that I am referring to.

 

Jeff

 

Jeff, you have a lot to learn about Worthy.....     there are books written about this subject on this board if one wanted to research them because there are many people with different ideas of how this all works out.

Just for the record I got tired of arguing with myself over it and just come by to get a chuckle or two now and then.

 

If you really want to join in the discussion, one has to post scripture with every thought and the contextual reasons why you think it or the others that differ in thought won't pay much attention to your thoughts and if you don't play the game right, they will make fun of you....

 

Welcome to worthy.

[Last Daze]

 

If you need me to post all the scriptures, it would take me a while.  I would think that anyone who has studied Bible prophecy would know most of the scriptures and timelines that I am referring to.

 

Jeff

 

Jeff, you have a lot to learn about Worthy.....     there are books written about this subject on this board if one wanted to research them because there are many people with different ideas of how this all works out.

Just for the record I got tired of arguing with myself over it and just come by to get a chuckle or two now and then.

 

If you really want to join in the discussion, one has to post scripture with every thought and the contextual reasons why you think it or the others that differ in thought won't pay much attention to your thoughts and if you don't play the game right, they will make fun of you....

 

Welcome to worthy.

 

 

Not everyone will make fun of him.  But, yes, I do want to hear the reasoning and scriptures to support the opinions.

[Enoch2021]

Hi, Enoch 2021.

 

I thought this forum was a way to get my opinions out to others.  If I am wrong about that, I am sorry.

 

I don't think anyone can really say 100% for sure when the 1st seal was or will be opened, or the 2nd, or the 3rd, etc.

 

I do know for sure that the "tribulation of those days" mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 24:29, which refers to the great tribulation period, ends when the signs in the sun and the moon appear.  These signs also appear when the 6th seal is opened.  Therefore, the great tribulation period ends when the 6th seal is opened.

 

The abomination of desolation is also mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 24:15 and is the starting point of the great tribulation period (Matthew 24:21).

 

The timeline would be:

 

 

the abomination of desolation             the great tribulation period begins          the great tribulation ends         6th seal opened and the signs in the sun and the moon

 

 

The 7th seal has to be opened after the 6th seal, and then the 7 angels are given the 7 trumpets, and then the 7 vials.

 

Everything that occurs after the 6th seal is after the great tribulation period.  This is why I said that the great tribulation period is not the end of the 7 year tribulation period.  I believe the 7 trumpets and the 7 vials are included within the 7 years of Daniel's 70th week.

 

If you do not want to even consider that the stars of heaven falling may refer to the first 6 trumpets and vials.  What can I do?

 

When the 2nd trumpet sounds, a great mountain of fire falls into the sea (perhaps an asteroid or comet), when the 3rd trumpet sounds, a star falls as a lamp (perhaps an asteroid or a comet), when the 5th trumpet sounds a star falls (I believe an angel) and unlocks the bottomless pit, and when the 6th trumpet sounds another angel (perhaps falling as a star) looses the 4 angels bound in the Euphrates River.

 

The stars of heaven falling could refer to comets, asteroids or angels looking like a star.

 

If you need me to post all the scriptures, it would take me a while.  I would think that anyone who has studied Bible prophecy would know most of the scriptures and timelines that I am referring to.

 

Jeff

 

 

 

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I thought this forum was a way to get my opinions out to others.  If I am wrong about that, I am sorry.

 

 

No apologies necessary, I was just venting.  But if people state an opinion then say..."this is my opinion" denoting "No Support".

 

 

I don't think anyone can really say 100% for sure when the 1st seal was or will be opened, or the 2nd, or the 3rd, etc.

 

 

Nope, I don't think there is a way to conclusively pin that down.

 

 

the abomination of desolation             the great tribulation period begins          the great tribulation ends         6th seal opened and the signs in the sun and the moon 

 

 

Scripture Support??  

 

How can the "Great Tribulation" End before the 6th Seal when the Abomination of Desolation starts After the 7th Trumpet and Before the 1st Vial here....

 

(Revelation 13:1-5) "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.  {2} And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.  {3} And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.  {4} And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?  {5} And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months."

 

The Great Tribulation" lasts.... "Time and Times, and a Dividing of Time": Dan 7:25, Dan 12:7, Rev 12:14; "1260 Days": Rev 11:3, Rev 12:6 ; "42 Months": Rev 11:2, Rev 13:5.

 

Moreover, how can the Great Tribulation End in Revelation Chapter 7 when Christ's Return, which marks the End, is in Chapter 19?

 

 

The 7th seal has to be opened after the 6th seal, and then the 7 angels are given the 7 trumpets, and then the 7 vials.

 

 

Yes

 

 

Everything that occurs after the 6th seal is after the great tribulation period.

 

 

I don't think so as I've just shown above.  Scripture Support?

 

 

This is why I said that the great tribulation period is not the end of the 7 year tribulation period.

 

 

There is no 7 year "tribulation".  There's Daniel's 70th Week that's 7 Years but the "Great Tribulation" starts midway through that week beginning with the Abomination of Desolation and lasts for 3.5 years.

There is no Scripture whatsoever that says the first 3.5 years are just plain "tribulation".

 

(Matthew 24:14-21) " And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.  {15}  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)  {16}  Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:  {17}  Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:  {18}  Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.  {19}  And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!  {20}  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:  {21}  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

 

 

This should do for now

[Watching for Jesus]

Hi,Enoch 2021

 

I have posted the scriptures from Matthew 24.

 

Matthew 24:15.  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 16.  Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

 17.  Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

 18.  Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

 19.  And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

 20.  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

 21.  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

 

 

These scriptures tell us that after the abomination of desolation there will be a period of great tribulation.  Do you agree?

 

 

 

Matthew 24: 22.  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 23.  Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

 24.  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

 25.  Behold, I have told you before.

 26.  Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

 27.  For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 28.  For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

 29.  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

 

 

 

These scriptures tell us that immediately after the tribulation of those days (which refers to the great tribulation) that the signs in the sun and the moon will appear.  Do you agree?

 

 

 

 

 

Revelation 6:12.  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

 

 

These scriptures tell us that the signs in the sun and in the moon will appear after the 6th seal is opened.  Do you agree?

 

 

 

 

Do you see why I show the following timeline?

 

 

the abomination of desolation              the great tribulation period begins                     the great tribulation ends                  6th seal opened and the signs in the sun and the moon

 

 

 

We disagree on the timing of the abomination of desolation.  I think we also disagree on the chronological order of the book of Revelation.  I started my first post saying that the 6th chapter of the book of Revelation is an overview of Daniel's 70th week, I believe you do not agree with that.

 

 

Jeff

 

 

[Enoch2021]

Hi,Enoch 2021

 

I have posted the scriptures from Matthew 24.

 

Matthew 24:15.  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

 16.  Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

 17.  Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

 18.  Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

 19.  And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

 20.  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

 21.  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

 

 

These scriptures tell us that after the abomination of desolation there will be a period of great tribulation.  Do you agree?

 

 

 

Matthew 24: 22.  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 23.  Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

 24.  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

 25.  Behold, I have told you before.

 26.  Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

 27.  For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 28.  For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

 29.  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

 

 

 

These scriptures tell us that immediately after the tribulation of those days (which refers to the great tribulation) that the signs in the sun and the moon will appear.  Do you agree?

 

 

 

 

 

Revelation 6:12.  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

 

 

These scriptures tell us that the signs in the sun and in the moon will appear after the 6th seal is opened.  Do you agree?

 

 

 

 

Do you see why I show the following timeline?

 

 

the abomination of desolation              the great tribulation period begins                     the great tribulation ends                  6th seal opened and the signs in the sun and the moon

 

 

 

We disagree on the timing of the abomination of desolation.  I think we also disagree on the chronological order of the book of Revelation.  I started my first post saying that the 6th chapter of the book of Revelation is an overview of Daniel's 70th week, I believe you do not agree with that.

 

 

Jeff

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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These scriptures tell us that after the abomination of desolation there will be a period of great tribulation.  Do you agree?

 

 

Yes

 

 

These scriptures tell us that immediately after the tribulation of those days (which refers to the great tribulation) that the signs in the sun and the moon will appear.  Do you agree?

 

 

Yes

 

 

Revelation 6:12.  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

These scriptures tell us that the signs in the sun and in the moon will appear after the 6th seal is opened.  Do you agree?

 

 

Yes,  It also says it here....

 

(Acts 2:20) "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:"

 

 

Do you see why I show the following timeline?

 

the abomination of desolation              the great tribulation period begins                     the great tribulation ends                  6th seal opened and the signs in the sun and the moon

 

 

Nope.

 

What does the "Specific Signs" in the sun and moon have to do with the Ending of the Great Tribulation before the 6th Seal is opened...?

 

I'm thinking you are confusing these 2 Passages...

 

(Matthew 24:29) "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

 

(Revelation 6:12) "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;"

 

 

Matthew is speaking to a Time  After the "great tribulation".  That the Moon shall......not give her light.

 

Revelation 6:12 is echoing.... (Acts 2:20) "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:"

 

"Moon into Blood" and "not give her light" are two completely different scenarios.  The Moon not giving her light is referenced here...

 

(Revelation 21:23) "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

 

See it?

 

 

We disagree on the timing of the abomination of desolation.  I think we also disagree on the chronological order of the book of Revelation.  I started my first post saying that the 6th chapter of the book of Revelation is an overview of Daniel's 70th week, I believe you do not agree with that.

 

 

Let's resolve the above issues then we can dive in here

[Watching for Jesus]

Hi Enoch2021

 

I think we can agree to disagree.

 

I believe the signs in the sun and the moon from Matthew 24:29 are the same ones as shown in Revelation 6:12.

 

I believe they are the same ones in the following scriptures also.

 

 

Joel 2:10.  The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

 11.  And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

 

 

 

Joel 2:31.  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come.

 32.  And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.

 

 

 

Joel 3:14.  Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

 15.  The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

 16.  The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

 

 

 

Isaiah 13:9.  Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

 10.  For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

 11.  And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

 

 

 

This is how I see it.  The 6th seal is opened and the signs in the sun and the moon appear, followed by the opening of the 7th seal.  The 1/2 hour of silence that follows is a pause, just before the day of the Lord begins.

 

 

Jeff

[Enoch2021]

Hi Enoch2021

 

I think we can agree to disagree.

 

I believe the signs in the sun and the moon from Matthew 24:29 are the same ones as shown in Revelation 6:12.

 

I believe they are the same ones in the following scriptures also.

 

 

Joel 2:10.  The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

 11.  And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

 

 

 

Joel 2:31.  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come.

 32.  And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.

 

 

 

Joel 3:14.  Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

 15.  The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

 16.  The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

 

 

 

Isaiah 13:9.  Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

 10.  For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

 11.  And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

 

 

 

This is how I see it.  The 6th seal is opened and the signs in the sun and the moon appear, followed by the opening of the 7th seal.  The 1/2 hour of silence that follows is a pause, just before the day of the Lord begins.

 

 

Jeff

 

 

 

 

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I think we can agree to disagree.

I believe the signs in the sun and the moon from Matthew 24:29 are the same ones as shown in Revelation 6:12.

I believe they are the same ones in the following scriptures also.

 

 

 

Agree and Disagree have nothing to do with it.  That genre is reserved for "opinions" about: The Weather, who's the best Football Team, Who's favorite Ice Cream is the Best, et al....these have a Subjective Connotation Attached.

 

In this Particular Case, we are dealing with Objective Facts:

 

(Matthew 24:29) "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

(Revelation 6:12) "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;"

Matthew is speaking to a Time  After the "great tribulation".  That the Moon shall......not give her light.

Revelation 6:12 is echoing.... (Acts 2:20) "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:"

"Moon into Blood" and "not give her light" are two completely different scenarios.  The Moon not giving her light is referenced here...

(Revelation 21:23) "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

 

 

 

That's not even speaking to another Massive Problem here...

 

(Revelation 8:12) "And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise."

 

 

Under your scenario, The Moon in the 6th Seal doesn't give her light (Which it doesn't say, it says "Became as Blood").  But when the 4th Trumpet Sounds a Third Part of the Moon was Smitten!

 

Question:  If the Moon is Dark; Ergo, not giving her light in the 6th Seal.....How can 1/3rd of the light be Smitten, afterwords (4th Trumpet)? 

 

 

 

Your statement is Tantamount to disagreeing that  2 + 2 = 4 !

 

 

( "I Think", "I Believe" ) =  Subjective.     ("As Evidenced By"...., "As Shown Here"...., "Confirmed Here"....) =  Objective

 

 

 

Joel 2:31.  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come.

 

 

And....?

 

Say's the same EXACT thing here (as I've shown)...

 

(Acts 2:20) "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:"

 

Before.

 

 

This is how I see it.  The 6th seal is opened and the signs in the sun and the moon appear, followed by the opening of the 7th seal.  The 1/2 hour of silence that follows is a pause, just before the day of the Lord begins.

 

 

It's colossally Untenable as I have shown.  The LORD returns here (11 Chapters Later!)....

 

(Revelation 19:11-16) "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.  {12} His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.  {13} And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.  {14} And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.  {15} And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.  {16} And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

 

 

The Culmination of HIS Return.....Closes the "Great Tribulation".

[Salty]

Hi Salty,

 

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Now for those who think the trumpet events are after the seals (& not details thereof) - Why does all mankind hide & call on the rocks etc (Rev. 6: 15 & 16) & then later on go on their `merry` way murdering, thieving & being immoral etc. (Rev. 9: 21) & then really making merry. (Rev. 11: 10) 

 

Exactly.

 

Thus the passage about the 7th Seal in Rev.8 with the idea of a period of "silence" has a specific purpose in that Seal order. It exists as a type of 'Selah' pause like in the Psalms, meaning to stop and pause as to what has been said (technically Selah means a musical rest). It is my belief that it represents the same idea as the "It is done" idea on the 7th Vial of Rev.16, even though the visions changed to John afterwards with the trumpets and vials.

 

Thusly, I believe the end is done with the 7th seal, 7th trumpet, and 7th vial (777).

[Salty]

 

Rev.6

¹² And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

¹³ And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

¹⁴ And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

¹⁵ And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

¹⁶ And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

¹⁷ For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

 

Rev.11

¹³ And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

¹⁴ The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

¹⁵ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

¹⁶ And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

¹⁷ Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

¹⁸ And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

¹⁹ And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

 

Rev.16

¹⁷ And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

¹⁸ And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

¹⁹ And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.

²⁰ And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

²¹ And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

 

 

Those are more than similarities, they are the same event timing.

 

The day of Christ's wrath is on the last day of this world with His second coming, on the day of The Lord. These events of God's wrath were also given in the OT prophets about the day of The Lord events. Apostle Paul reiterated some of them with the "as a thief" timing in 1 Thess.5, as did Peter in 2 Pet.3:10 about the time of God's consuming fire burning the elements.

 

If the 6th Seal was to happen prior to the trumpets and vials, then it would mean the dragon's reign continues after Christ's coming on the day of The Lord with His final wrath of this world still pending. But per that 6th Seal, that is the time of God's wrath on the last day of this world, which is part of the day of The Lord events when Jesus returns.

 

Sorry, but if they were the same event, they would be recorded the same.  Much of what happens is different.  Do I really have to point out the discrepancies for you?  As one example, all have the word earthquake, but each have different levels, especially the one recorded in the 7th vial where it is stated that this earthquake will be worse then any other earthquake, while the one in the 6th seal just claims a great earthquake, and the 6th trumpet where one tenth of the city fell and killed seven thousand men.  You may be surprised that the first two are not the worst earthquake that has ever happened on this earth.  Look for yourself ... http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/world/most_destructive.php

 

What is going to happen when the 7th vial is poured out will be greater than any other earthquake, ever.  The all escalate in strength as His warnings/wrath pour out to mankind.

 

 

I don't see you continuing your comparison there. You do realize that more than just your earthquake level idea is required to back up your idea, right? That because there's a lot more events being given within those 3 sections about the end of this world. I would say, you had to stop your comparison with your earthquake idea, because the other events are too closely related for you to separate into different timelines.