SILENT WOMEN

[Guest Butero]

Who is going to tell Joyce Meyer to stop preaching?  We have freedom of religion in this country, so anyone is free to start a ministry, whether they be in the truth, or a heretic.  I know of a prophetic ministry, where one of the leaders claims to have written Joyce Meyer personally and rebuked her for her short hair and the way she dresses.  This person had no authority to actually make her listen, so she didn't.  Even though I agree with the prophet's position about Joyce Meyer, and even though I see her as a false teacher, how could anyone expect her to listen to a rebuke like that?  He actually told her she looked like a harlot, had a Jezebel spirit, and he never claimed it was a direct word from God. 

 

Now, lets suppose I wrote Joyce Meyer today and criticized her doctrine, and the same things this guy did.  Would she change?  I expect ministers, good or bad, receive a lot of rebukes from people that don't agree with them all the time.  If they believe they are right, they aren't going to listen.  Why should they?  If I was running an independent church, and I got letters accusing me of being a false teacher, legalistic, sexist, homophobic, whatever, I wouldn't pay it any attention.  Why should I?  Again, we have freedom of religion. 

 

To the bigger point.  Why do others follow false teachers, or anyone for that matter?  Because they are persuaded that person is telling them the truth.  Most people don't know what is in the Bible, and they follow preachers and teachers blindly.  They believe whatever their favorite teacher says.  Sometimes a person gains a following because of their charismatic personality, as was the case in the movie "Elmer Gantry."  Sometimes they have a unique doctrine that intrigues people.  Sometimes they claim to be the only person in the truth, and people are scared to go against them. 

 

Back to Joyce Meyer.  I do not know how her ministry is structured.  I don't know if she is acting as a Bishop, though she probably is.  If she is not, then there is no problem with her being a preacher.  I do not agree with things she teaches, like that ridiculous "try not to try" sermon.  I think she is wrong in the image she portrays.  Even so, there isn't a single preacher or teacher I know of that is perfect, and Joyce Meyer falls into the category of being better than some and worse than others.  I don't feel the need to waste my time rebuking her when I know she won't listen to me, and I feel no need to single her out when others are just as bad or worse.  I just don't watch her, don't read her books, and don't give money to her.  I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion, so I am not trying to stomp her out.  Let her keep on keeping on, and let people decide if they want to follow her.  It is really none of my business.  I will teach what I believe is the truth, and am satisfied to let others make up their own mind.  We all are told to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling, so it is our responsibility to get it right. 

[Guest Butero]

Paul never mentions a female Apostle that I am aware of.  I am going to have to challenge that Happy Feet.  Please provide scriptural support for that claim.  Also show where Priscilla "corrects people in Acts." 

[Willa]

Pricilla and Aquilla were a husband and wife team in Acts who hosted Paul in their home and also traveled with him. They were not apostles but they taught Apollos more accurately concerning the way of God, Acts 18:26. Any woman who ministers in any way should be under the authority of her husband. All need to be open to correction.

Not even Mary the mother of Christ was an apostle. Apostles lived very hard lives, being often stoned and imprisoned.

While missionaries are "sent out ones" and may correspond to apostles, none are on par with the original 12 plus Paul who were chosen by Christ to be apostles. Not even Barnabus and Apollos were called apostles. They were evangelists and teachers.

Concerning Joyce Meyer, she seems to be another TV evangelist who flies in a private jet and owns several million dollar homes, expensive cars etc. I personally find more credibility in the people who live more humbly and who have fewer treasures on earth. I avoid preachers who preach and live in worldly prosperity.

[Fez]

Paul never mentions a female Apostle that I am aware of.  I am going to have to challenge that Happy Feet.  Please provide scriptural support for that claim.  Also show where Priscilla "corrects people in Acts." 

Act 18:24  Now a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was an eloquent man, competent in the Scriptures. 

Act 18:25  He had been instructed in the way of the Lord. And being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, though he knew only the baptism of John. 

Act 18:26  He began to speak boldly in the synagogue, but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. 

 

A good example of knowing scripture but losing the focus of what it actually points towards perhaps? So not so much "correction", but more like Ministry.

[Guest Butero]

Right, but it never says they were Apostles, and as Willamina said, it was a husband and wife team. 

[Marilyn C]

I think `Junias / Junia` in Rom. 16: 7 is what people reference as to a female Apostle.

 

Personally I believe as the Apostle Peter says, that leaders are not to `lord it over` others - male or female. Thus said I believe man`s religious organisations put people in such positions where they are the authority over others. Their authority is from an organisation. Whether they call themselves any of the 5 fold ministries, they are still operating as Peter says they should not.

 

The Apostle Paul also says -

 

`For you endure it if a man assumes control of your souls ....spends your money...if he exalts himself.....`  etc (2 Cor. 11: 20)

 

Sounds to me like that behaviour has been going on for a long time. It just seems that today we now give people credentials to have that behaviour over others!!!!!

 

The Body of Christ operates by the Holy Spirit `...every joint supplies, according to the proper workings of each individual part.` (Eph. 4: 15...) To measure the Body by man`s efforts in organisations is to not understand what Christ is doing. To measure people`s giftings also by man`s organisations is to not understand the Headship of Christ.

[Sevenseas]

 

Why dont someone tell Joyce Myers stop preaching as a pastor ?

 

Who told her to be a pastor ?

 

 

So that's the purpose of this thread?  Silent Women...lovely

 

 

`For you endure it if a man assumes control of your souls ....spends your money...if he exalts himself.....`  etc (2 Cor. 11: 20)

 

Sounds to me like that behaviour has been going on for a long time. It just seems that today we now give people credentials to have that behaviour over others!!!!!

 

The Body of Christ operates by the Holy Spirit `...every joint supplies, according to the proper workings of each individual part.` (Eph. 4: 15...) To measure the Body by man`s efforts in organisations is to not understand what Christ is doing. To measure people`s giftings also by man`s organisations is to not understand the Headship of Christ.

 

 

That's quite the verse.  Really makes you wonder...'for you endure it if a man assumes control of your souls...etc....I never really stopped at that one before although

I certainly have seen and experienced it 

 

The thing is, many of these people will say that it IS the Holy Spirit operating through them ... control exhibits another spirit...pages could be written on that subject

[LadyKay]

 

There are women who believe women should not serve as pastors  while  there are men who believe women can serve as preachers

 

Does the bible support women pastors or not  ?

 

If you get the call, you should answer. Even if you are a women. Obeying God's call is what we are to do.

[Fez]

 

 

There are women who believe women should not serve as pastors  while  there are men who believe women can serve as preachers

 

Does the bible support women pastors or not  ?

 

If you get the call, you should answer. Even if you are a women. Obeying God's call is what we are to do.

 

I would like to edit your comment..

 

Sex has nothing to do with it...

[enoob57]

"silent women"

It once was a fantasy of mine

Edited October 21, 2014 by enoob57