Revelation 10 - the Q'uran?

[Guest shiloh357]

Actually Kan, the Angel of the Lord is not Jesus.  The Angel of the Lord announced the birth of Jesus.   When Jesus was born He gave up the prerogative of omniscience, so the Angel of the Lord could not also be Jesus in the manger.

 

Gathering Israel under his "wings  was using the imagery of a hen, not an angel.   

 

Nowhere in the Bible is Michael the archangel equated with Jesus.    What you seem to be reflecting is Seventh Day Adventist teaching that Michael the Archangel is Jesus.  The Seventh Day Adventists are a cult, not biblical Christianity.  

 

Anyone teaching that Jesus and an angel are one and the same are promoting false teaching based on incredibly sloppy exegesis of Scripture.    False teachings, it seems, always start with angels.

 

No place in Revelation are angels ever equated with Jesus.   Not one place.  Sorry Kan but you are simply wrong and in grave error.  One of Satan's greatest deceptions and is an major hallmark of cultism is this inordinate focus on angels.

[Steve_S]

Actually Kan, the Angel of the Lord is not Jesus.  The Angel of the Lord announced the birth of Jesus.   When Jesus was born He gave up the prerogative of omniscience, so the Angel of the Lord could not also be Jesus in the manger.

 

Gathering Israel under his "wings  was using the imagery of a hen, not an angel.   

 

Nowhere in the Bible is Michael the archangel equated with Jesus.    What you seem to be reflecting is Seventh Day Adventist teaching that Michael the Archangel is Jesus.  The Seventh Day Adventists are a cult, not biblical Christianity.  

 

Anyone teaching that Jesus and an angel are one and the same are promoting false teaching based on incredibly sloppy exegesis of Scripture.    False teachings, it seems, always start with angels.

 

No place in Revelation are angels ever equated with Jesus.   Not one place.  Sorry Kan but you are simply wrong and in grave error.  One of Satan's greatest deceptions and is an major hallmark of cultism is this inordinate focus on angels.

 

[Littlelambseativy]

Actually Gabriel is generally the messenger angel. Michael is the warrior archangel in charge of the heavenly host. He is the angel protecting Israel.

The Angel of the Lord is conceivably Gabriel.

[missmuffet]

We are seeing a ton of false teachings now.It is a concern of mine that everyone read the truth.That is all. 

[MorningGlory]

 

 

 

Hi Marilyn,

 

I would just like to say I respect your humility & restraint under the circumstances you find yourself.

 

Regarding that angel, look at it like this sister, the angel was speaking in the Lord's Name, speaking on behalf of the Lord .. the Lord's word was flowing through him.

 

Like Moses speaking to God "face to face" .. further detective work will reveal that Moses was actually speaking face to face with an angel whom the Lord was speaking through.

 

Like Christ said, "the Father tells Me what to speak"  .. so almost everything Jesus said was actually His Father's words, hence, "Before Abraham was, I Am"

 

Your brother,

 

Serving.

Hi Serving,

 

How kind you are bro. Just what I needed, as it is hurtful to be attacked like that. Your attitude is godly.  Even though we disagree on this point we can discuss it with the right attitude.

 

Blessings, Marilyn.

 

 

Marilyn, I don't agree with your thoughts about the angel in Rev. 19 but I DO agree with your right to have a different opinion.  Attacking another believer instead of discussion is never the right way to go.  We have very strong personalities here who are passionate in their beliefs (I am one of them) but there's no reason to throw common courtesy out the window. I'm sure you can still learn different things just as I, and everyone else here can.  None of us know it all. 

 

Common courtesy goes out the window for me when I see false doctrine and allowing another brother or sister to stumble and fall.

 

 

None of us want to read or hear false doctrine, bopeep. I totally believe in challenging that anywhere and anytime. But there's a way to get through to people without using a grenade launcher.  Maybe by considering that others have feelings as well?  Heavy handediness never works to bring anyone around; it only hardens them in their position.

[MorningGlory]

A clear understanding of the role of angels indicates that the angel in Revelation 10, and Daniel 12, is none other than the one who can swear by no one greater than Himself - the Son of God.

 

No.

[Kan]

The expression "Angel of the Lord," or "the angel of the Lord" covers anyone who is the chief representative of God. It may be Christ, Gabriel, other angels, or just a message in symbol of an angel, but regardless of who brings that message, it comes directly from Christ.

 

It is not good to generalize and say that the angel of the Lord only means so and so in all texts where the term comes up. But there are specific texts which only refer to Christ, and other texts which show it is Gabriel or an unnamed angel. 

I supplied the reference to wiki so that we could get a whole view of the term.

[Guest shiloh357]

Yeah, I reject that, Kan.   Jesus is never referred to as an angel and there is no amount of deceptive theological gymnastics you can employ that is going to change that, and those who are competent exegetes of Scripture reject such foolishness.

[Kan]

Yeah, I reject that, Kan.   Jesus is never referred to as an angel and there is no amount of deceptive theological gymnastics you can employ that is going to change that, and those who are competent exegetes of Scripture reject such foolishness.

 

I checked up on whether Adventists know about Michael as the angelic title for Christ, and came up with this site

 

Christ, and Michel the Archangel q08.htm which is a fairly extensive study.

 

Also I found that the JW's, and several mainstream Christian churches have the same view and conclusion from those texts. Who Is Michael the Archangel? Is Jesus? | Bible Teach - a JW site. 

 

As far as any religion being a cult or not, as you said earlier,

I'm not aware of what you know there,

and I'm not sure what other religious groups may teach on that subject,

but as far as basic English reading is concerned, the equation of Christ as Michael the archangel is legitimate on scholarly grounds, if nothing else.

 

Is Jesus Michael the Archangel? - I've just found this reference, not sure who by, but it has many more texts proving that the angel of the Lord was often God, if not the Son. Truly amazing !

[Littlelambseativy]

Michael is the warrior angel in charge of the armies of heaven. Jesus is the Son of God ..HE cannot be an angel. Michael is the angel protecting Israel. Saying Jesus is an angel is like saying HE is also lower than the Son of God, by being an angel. Not possible. That kind of thinking is wrong.