Book of Enoch

[missmuffet]

Personally I have no use for anything other than the Bible.

[Littlelambseativy]

Personally I have no use for anything other than the Bible.

don't read the paper or any other thing?? Seems to me you read gotquestions.org. A lot!!

[kwikphilly]

Lambsy.....now now.........

      I like gotquestions.......they seem to be pretty spot on so far as I've seen,,,,,,,,,,,,

   I love you LittleLamb,I love you Peepers..................lets behave,okay ?& to God be the Glory!

                                                                                         With love-in Christ,Kwik

[FresnoJoe]

Pride, separation, rejecting of admonition happen in the church all the time and it has little to do with the perception of whether a book is canon.

In fact it seems a point of pride to counsel others to reject a particular set of writings just because they are not a part of the canon, which was approved by men.

This also seems like a rejection of the word of God since Jude clearly references Enoch.

The argument that Enoch "prophesied" and the phrase, "as it was written" does not appear in Jude, so therefore Enoch never wrote a book also seems ill conceived. I'm betting Enoch did write down all his prophecies since it's was likely the prophecies were for a future fulfillment and ensuing generations would need to read and be encouraged by such words.

What if the words of Enoch were for this generation and Satan is trying to deceive the church into rejecting much needed information, encouragement, correction etc? Or are you under the impression that only the flocks needs correction and the shepherds are above such actions?

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Does This

Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” Jude 1:14-15 (NIV)

Come From Some Fellow?

For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. Matthew 16:27 (NIV)

Or Is It The Very Breath Of God?

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 2 Timothy 3:16 (NIV)

Your Choice~!

And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Luke 4:4 (KJV)

Edited August 17, 2015 by FresnoJoe

[Littlelambseativy]

Lambsy.....now now.........

      I like gotquestions.......they seem to be pretty spot on so far as I've seen,,,,,,,,,,,,

   I love you LittleLamb,I love you Peepers..................lets behave,okay ?& to God be the Glory!

                                                                                         With love-in Christ,Kwik

I was not attempting to be too negative...I just prefer to have something told to me in one's own words so I do not personally read what Bo or anyone posts if it is a long post. Give me the link and Summarize for me. But, saying she reads only the Bibke is what I questioned. 

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Little Lamb,,,,,,

    Perhaps I should have minded my business but it did sound a little sarcastic to me & unlike you,,,,,,so I do hope it is okay that I stuck my nosey nose in,,,,,,,,,,,lol!!!!!

      I must confess Lambsy,I am not any different than you in that if a reply is very long I don't read them,,,,,,,,maybe we need to work on that,I'm not sure but I know I am going to pray about it,because I think I should be more patient ,,,,,,,,someone may have something very good to share but they go about it the long way instead of short,sweet & to the point,,,,,,,which we both prefer    and I very rarely click on any links,,,,,,it is a security precaution with me,unless I scan the link I usually don't go there,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

     I'm sure,knowing you,it was not meant to be anything more than a question,,,,,,,forgive me ,,,,,,,I only want to encourage love,the love we share because of Christ in us                     With love-in Christ,Kwik          

           

       

[other one]

The problem I have here is when you bring something like this to worthy, it is usually complicated and if you just give the short version people just fluff it off.....   but won't spend the time to really cover all the information that it takes to really understand the whole story.....   and if you don't understand the whole story it is kind of hard to accept as true.

 

So one has to just plod along and let people learn as they go

 

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

Did anybody read or seen the video of Enoch? 

I know it is not in the Bible ..if anybody read it before please let me know what you think of it as I,m debating to watch the video online...

From what I heard and seen  so far..it is interesting ..

Years ago, I got the book of Enoch and started reading it. Holy Spirit told me to throw it away, so I did. I didn't get that deep into it to say whats in it, but I can say that the fruit from the ones who do get into the book of Enoch is not good. I've seen many people get on a prideful spiritual high, fall into some crazy false doctrines, separate themselves from the body of Christ through reading that book and taking it as scripture.

 

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Thank you Joshua for your opinion about this Why would people get prideful after reading it, does it add to the Bible..

 

It does add to the bible and should not be taken as scripture. I know mormons hold it as one of their writings.

 

Pride and deception go hand in hand. When people believe they have special knowledge or revelation, they get prideful and because they think they have a higher revelation than others, they are not open to correction and they separate from anyone who disagrees with them. I've seen this happen many times.

Pride, separation, rejecting of admonition happen in the church all the time and it has little to do with the perception of whether a book is canon.

In fact it seems a point of pride to counsel others to reject a particular set of writings just because they are not a part of the canon, which was approved by men.

This also seems like a rejection of the word of God since Jude clearly references Enoch.

The argument that Enoch "prophesied" and the phrase, "as it was written" does not appear in Jude, so therefore Enoch never wrote a book also seems ill conceived. I'm betting Enoch did write down all his prophecies since it's was likely the prophecies were for a future fulfillment and ensuing generations would need to read and be encouraged by such words.

What if the words of Enoch were for this generation and Satan is trying to deceive the church into rejecting much needed information, encouragement, correction etc? Or are you under the impression that only the flocks needs correction and the shepherds are above such actions?

Just because a non-canonical source is cited in the Bible, it doesn't mean that the portion of that source quoted is actually "Scripture."   The human authors referenced other sources, but it was to make or reinforce a didactic point.   They were not making that source inspired Scripture. 

A careful examination of Enoch demonstrates that it has many fundamental errors and even contradicts the Bible.  That disqualifies it from being a book for us that is on part with Scripture. 

There is no evidence that Enoch wrote anything and if he did write anything that was supposed to be Scripture, the Lord would have preserved it and it would have a much greater ancient witness than it currently has.    The oldest copy only dates back to the 2nd century BC from Qumran.   We have no earlier copy.  It is likely a mystical Qumranic document and nothing more.  In ancient times, famous biblical characters were used as "authors"  in order to give a document weight and credibility.   It is more likely that an Essene wrote this book of "prophecy" and added Enoch's name to give the book credibility and cause interest in it.

It is more likely that Satan is using this book to get people's eyes off of the Word of God and distracting them from reading the Bible.  

[Littlelambseativy]

Blessings Little Lamb,,,,,,

    Perhaps I should have minded my business but it did sound a little sarcastic to me & unlike you,,,,,,so I do hope it is okay that I stuck my nosey nose in,,,,,,,,,,,lol!!!!!

      I must confess Lambsy,I am not any different than you in that if a reply is very long I don't read them,,,,,,,,maybe we need to work on that,I'm not sure but I know I am going to pray about it,because I think I should be more patient ,,,,,,,,someone may have something very good to share but they go about it the long way instead of short,sweet & to the point,,,,,,,which we both prefer    and I very rarely click on any links,,,,,,it is a security precaution with me,unless I scan the link I usually don't go there,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

     I'm sure,knowing you,it was not meant to be anything more than a question,,,,,,,forgive me ,,,,,,,I only want to encourage love,the love we share because of Christ in us                     With love-in Christ,Kwik          

           

       

I take no offence, Kwiki, I just got to the point of frustration with long quoted posts that I skip over, particularly when they are requoted over and over. When you stick your nose in it is mostly to smell the fragrance of a flower is it not?? 

Edited August 18, 2015 by Littlelambseativy

[angels4u]

There are fragments from many copies in the dead sea scrolls showing it was prevalent. And those agree with the book in the Etheopian Bible from what I read from those studying the subject.

 

I don't have a problem with them not being canon, but I think I have to disagree that they are worthless and or hold no truth.

Agree , I watched a show on Enoch on "Prophecy in the news" and thought it was very interesting. Of course I would not recommend this  for new believers ,you have to know scripture and discernment for the truth,but I listen to Enoch as a history lesson.  I thought it was a eye opener to compare the days we live in with those days when Enoch lived...