What does "having dominion" over women really mean?

[Guest Butero]

Just do me the courtesy of explaining how I got it wrong. 

I don't recall ever saying Butero was wrong. I don't  have time for this. 

I said it came across that way, and I gave the quote and the reason why.  Can you at least say if you do agree or if you don't agree and why? 

Why is it so important for you to have her say that?   Isn't it enough for you to express your views and for her to do the same?  People can read both and make up their own minds.

Because I was challenged directly.  Obviously, she doesn't have to answer it, but why not?  Why would you challenge something if you don't even know if the person is wrong?  It is not logical to me.  Maybe it doesn't have to be?  Fine Lady Kay.  Don't bother.  Just post disagreements or agreements that sound like disagreements and don't explain how or why you feel the way you do.  I like for things to make sense, but maybe that is just an issue with me?  Maybe others don't care. 

[Flames of Liberty]

I wonder if this guy and his church deny any charity to widows under 60?

I do want to clarify something about the widows.  First of all, we are not forbidden to take up a love offering for widows under 60.  We can't take them in among the number of the widows getting regular support.  I had to deal with 4 widows that were getting regular benefits, and none of them met all the qualifications so I had to cut them off.  Age wasn't the primary reason.  In one case, the woman had family living with her that was working and she didn't really need the money, and the church didn't have it to give.  It wasn't an easy thing to do, but it clearly had to be done to come in line with the Bible. 

Here is how I see it.  If there is any issue where the church is doing contrary to scriptural order, the church is wrong.  If I am personally doing something contrary to Biblical order, I am wrong.  Even if you were to find such an example of wrong doing on my part, it wouldn't make anything change with regard to the scriptural teaching on women, so it is a smoke screen type of argument.  What I would say is we need to fix our problems, but not justify wrong because we find other wrong taking place. 

Never mind

Edited September 8, 2015 by Flames of Liberty

[Flames of Liberty]

This is a topic that brings out strong feelings on both sides.  I apologize for my inappropriate post and have deleted the words of it.

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."

[enoob57]

don't leave me here alone with all these vicious women  

[Flames of Liberty]

"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."

being meek or humble have never been a strength of mine!  Hard to believe I am sure.

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

I'll bow out. Peace and grace to you all through Christ Jesus!

[Steve_S]

The pervasive arm of feminism has so infiltrated everything in our culture, the church and marriage in particular, that scriptures are largely ignored, whitewashed over or absolutely reintrepreted without any contextual basis to do so. I see this bear out in every single thread of this nature on these forums and it is quite unfortunate. The most unfortunate thing is that most people simply do not realize it has even happened, which is one of the many things that makes it so pervasive.

[Esther4:14]

OK, should men have dominion over women in today's world?  Is that biblical.  What does it truly mean to "wives submit" to your husbands?

It is really very simple.  Submitting to your husband means that you are supposed to be a peacemaker in your home because, "there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus," (Galatians 3:28).  Paul isn't contradicting himself.  He is teaching according to what was already taught in a more direct way.  He is teaching women to follow Jesus' teaching in the sermon on the mount and build their house upon the rock (Matthew 7:24-27).  A woman independently following Jesus in this way is not an act of feminism, and still represents the freedom that she now has in Christ.  

 

[missmuffet]

Here you go. Proverbs 31:10-31

The Virtuous Wife

10 Who[a] can find a virtuous[b] wife?
For her worth is far above rubies.
11 The heart of her husband safely trusts her;
So he will have no lack of gain.
12 She does him good and not evil
All the days of her life.
13 She seeks wool and flax,
And willingly works with her hands.
14 She is like the merchant ships,
She brings her food from afar.
15 She also rises while it is yet night,
And provides food for her household,
And a portion for her maidservants.
16 She considers a field and buys it;
From her profits she plants a vineyard.
17 She girds herself with strength,
And strengthens her arms.
18 She perceives that her merchandise is good,
And her lamp does not go out by night.
19 She stretches out her hands to the distaff,
And her hand holds the spindle.
20 She extends her hand to the poor,
Yes, she reaches out her hands to the needy.
21 She is not afraid of snow for her household,
For all her household is clothed with scarlet.
22 She makes tapestry for herself;
Her clothing is fine linen and purple.
23 Her husband is known in the gates,
When he sits among the elders of the land.
24 She makes linen garments and sells them,
And supplies sashes for the merchants.
25 Strength and honor are her clothing;
She shall rejoice in time to come.
26 She opens her mouth with wisdom,
And on her tongue is the law of kindness.
27 She watches over the ways of her household,
And does not eat the bread of idleness.
28 Her children rise up and call her blessed;
Her husband also, and he praises her:
29 “Many daughters have done well,
But you excel them all.”
30 Charm is deceitful and beauty is passing,
But a woman who fears the Lord, she shall be praised.
31 Give her of the fruit of her hands,
And let her own works praise her in the gates.