DO YOU BELIEVE ITS OKAY TO EAT PORK, AS A BELIEVER IN GOD ?

[SINNERSAVED]

7 minutes ago, other one said:

yes I do believe it is perfectly acceptable to eat port for a born again Christian....    assuming they are giving thanks to the Lord for doing so....

I have spent hours putting things together to say why I believe this but really just don't care to go through it again.

Thus my comment that I disagree but don't want to spend the time to put the why's to type when as others for years have simply disagreed with my take on the scripture...    My personal take on the vision that God sent Peter about the clean and unclean animals went for the animals and gentiles being OK (I find it inconceivable that God would use a false example to make a point with Peter)  and if we disagree on that there is little to nothing to discuss.  Others saying what we eat doesn't defile us, but what we say and the history of my ancestors living very long healthy lives eating pork just convinces me that it's OK.....    there are many many other things I don't care to look up again, but that's the gist of the start of it.....

 thank you Otherone, for your honest opinion and you view, and I will not press the issue, promise, to you only ? lol

 we see through this communication, that we both have a strong stand on what we both believe to understand what the scriptures say to us, for you have your understanding , and I have mine,, and so that is why , some times ,it is hard to try to make a point when all are not in agreement , and so ,

I believe, , that more people , the believers are to search the scriptures and meditate in the spirit of God, and to see what the spirit tells and reveals to them for one mans thoughts are to what they hold on., and another the same, to the opposite,  the main thing is that we have given thought to it , and ask God to help us in all understanding and in truth , and not fight or hate over it, and get angry ,

 I can appreciate and respect your disagreement, ,but I still hold to my view, but we are still able to show love and compassion for one another, that we still believe what we believe, and not make it a battle of evil and good, and still communicate , for at least the topic of question is on the table and what we do with it , is our belief and what our heart tells us , as we believe in our God, we work that out between us and God alone,

thank you for the chat, my friend, and thank you for your understanding , of my view, blessings

[other one]

and I never demand that you agree with me......    good friends can do that.

[Reinitin]

12 hours ago, Ezra said:

Believe what you wish to believe for yourself.  But don't presume to come on a Christian forum to contradict the Word of God, which plainly refutes what you have said (and all the Scriptures have been provided).   If God says ALL meats are clean, that includes pork, bacon, and ham (and a multitude of other creatures).

What you are doing here is flooding Worthy with your threads and sowing seeds of confusion and false doctrine.  I trust the moderators will take note.  And I am still waiting to hear from you on a very critical issue -- who is Jesus, and who is the Holy Spirit?  Are they both God? That will clarify why you have been coming up with these ideas.

 Some people see that Christ fulfilled the law for the priests but his instruction for society and what is good and not good is still very good for us and it is still Gods desires for us to follow as a witness of His goodness. That is not unscriptural doctrine. If He thinks like that He must obey it as it comes from the Lord then He must obey there is no judgment on doing what the you believe the Lord requires of you. But, there is a judgment on believing something is from the Lord and not doing it. The faith people have to eat the forbidin foods comes from our own conviction not a word of God to contradict.

This is scripture. 

Romans 14 22The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.

³ One who eats must not look down on one who does not eat, and one who does not eat must not criticize one who does, because God has accepted him. ⁴ Who are you to criticize another’s household slave? Before his own Lord he stands or falls. And he will stand. For the Lord is able^[b] to make him stand.

[Guest]

14 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

you have not understood , the dietary laws have not been abolished, swine or pig ,. was never a meat or food source to begin with . fact and truth

1. I agree on one part,....     Not a food source in the beginning. No animals were for food from the beginning..... Therefore Noah never first associated clean and unclean

with food, but sacrifices.

Ge 8:20  And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
 

So what was clean and unclean sacrifices here? Would you suggest that Gentile food restrictions were beyond that of Israel? For Israel did also have law concerning what to sacrifice unto God. This seems an absurd idea doesn't it?

So what would be an unacceptable sacrifice to Noah?

Mal 1:8  And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts.

2. When animals are first introduced as food, NONE are restricted....for as the green herb was given so likewise he gave all things.

Ge 9:3  Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
 

2. Where is the restriction for the green herb?

Ge 1:30  And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. {life: Heb. a living soul }
 

Since many green herbs can be poisonous, kosher has nothing to do with health issues either.

The scriptures are clear......In Christ the food laws of Jewish kosher ( Sinai covenant) are not binding for New covenant members.

[Reinitin]

Brothers and sisters,

We are all already judged and are all guilty of breaking the law and sinning against a Holy God. Breaking one of the least of the commands of God makes us guilty for breaking all the law. All of us will go to a grave because we have sinned against God and without Christ we would be held unto Judgment (except a generation raptured) .Because of one sin all men face death even Our Lord had to face death and be laid in a grave because of Adams Sin. When we become a Christian we are counted as dead in Christ get it? (we are dead/judged/guilty even though we are still alive), In Christ our counted dead self receives a heavenly seed that resurrects us to knew life that we walk by our new spirit.  grace allows all our post salvation flesh failures be reconciled by the blood as forgiven so we can learn to walk in our new spirit and Christ (fruit) can fully form in us.  Someone already dead can't have sins judgment against them  because death is the judgment against sin. So all of us in Christ can joyfully say "sin has no hold on me".

Here is where I think these judgment and accusations against other Christians come from. The works Good created for us to do in Christ is not one work for all people to do. He demonstrates different aspects of His  attributes through different people in the body. No one should be proud because there own conviction has made them display the righteousness of God and look down on some one who is a display of His mercy. The parts of the body that are less honorable to man, God covers and gives special honor to those parts. So How we walk in Christ whether it be as a Joyful giver or one who convicts the body of sin out of a heart of anguish. God gives those desires that create are own (they are ours alone) convictions to obey. Different parts of scripture stike individual Hit  to each of us in the gut. We obey those in faith as we reach maturity in Christ. Example would be one brother has the command in His gut do not forsake the assembling and a house on fire wont keep Him from being at church when the doors open. Another brother might have If you do not forgive you brothers trasspasses neither will your father in heaven forgive you. So he forgives the man who murdered an raped his daughter. That is the Holy Spirit bringing Gods word to our memory so we bare fruit. Its Gods word in our heart preparing works for us.

1. We proudfully believe God needs to create everyone with our own personal convictions. To this group I say. The Lord will have a sea of mankind before Him one day each one fearfully and wonderfully made a one of a kind. It will take the sea of humanity to display the glory and the attributes of our God and from this ocean of man as one will be Gods desire fulfilled of making them in his image and likeness. Hes taking all those saved from man kind and all of them together display his majesty. He not going to create anyone to be like you.

2 immaturity, a lot of us christians that still need milk are self deceived into thinking we are mature and our understanding of the Lord is a full understanding of God. 3. We get so puffed up in our own knowledge we become useless to God. 

Those who are mature need to tolerate growing christians and fyi if we have no tolerance for immature christians then we need to humble ourselves and go back to our own milk.

 

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

Brothers and sisters,

We are all already judged and are all guilty of breaking the law and sinning against a Holy God. Breaking one of the least of the commands of God makes us guilty for breaking all the law. All of us will go to a grave because we have sinned against God and without Christ we would be held unto Judgment (except a generation raptured) .Because of one sin all men face death even Our Lord had to face death and be laid in a grave because of Adams Sin. When we become a Christian we are counted as dead in Christ get it? (we are dead/judged/guilty even though we are still alive), In Christ our counted dead self receives a heavenly seed that resurrects us to knew life that we walk by our new spirit.  grace allows all our post salvation flesh failures be reconciled by the blood as forgiven so we can learn to walk in our new spirit and Christ (fruit) can fully form in us.  Someone already dead can't have sins judgment against them  because death is the judgment against sin. So all of us in Christ can joyfully say "sin has no hold on me".

Here is where I think these judgment and accusations against other Christians come from. The works Good created for us to do in Christ is not one work for all people to do. He demonstrates different aspects of His  attributes through different people in the body. No one should be proud because there own conviction has made them display the righteousness of God and look down on some one who is a display of His mercy. The parts of the body that are less honorable to man, God covers and gives special honor to those parts. So How we walk in Christ whether it be as a Joyful giver or one who convicts the body of sin out of a heart of anguish. God gives those desires that create are own (they are ours alone) convictions to obey. Different parts of scripture stike individual Hit  to each of us in the gut. We obey those in faith as we reach maturity in Christ. Example would be one brother has the command in His gut do not forsake the assembling and a house on fire wont keep Him from being at church when the doors open. Another brother might have If you do not forgive you brothers trasspasses neither will your father in heaven forgive you. So he forgives the man who murdered an raped his daughter. That is the Holy Spirit bringing Gods word to our memory so we bare fruit. Its Gods word in our heart preparing works for us.

1. We proudfully believe God needs to create everyone with our own personal convictions. To this group I say. The Lord will have a sea of mankind before Him one day each one fearfully and wonderfully made a one of a kind. It will take the sea of humanity to display the glory and the attributes of our God and from this ocean of man as one will be Gods desire fulfilled of making them in his image and likeness. Hes taking all those saved from man kind and all of them together display his majesty. He not going to create anyone to be like you.

2 immaturity, a lot of us christians that still need milk are self deceived into thinking we are mature and our understanding of the Lord is a full understanding of God. 3. We get so puffed up in our own knowledge we become useless to God. 

Those who are mature need to tolerate growing christians and fyi if we have no tolerance for immature christians then we need to humble ourselves and go back to our own milk.

 

This addresses the op how?

[Esther4:14]

I believe that Peter was an apostle of Christ, so yes I do believe that a believer can eat pork because Peter was given the revelation to demonstrate his authority as an apostle.  This is why this revelation was not given to someone else (Acts 10:13-15).  

So, to say that a believer can't eat pork, is to reject the authority of Peter as an apostle.  

With that being said, I also agree with David that, " The law of the LORD is perfect, refreshing the soul. The statutes of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple."

So, to say that I honor Peter as an apostle and respect his revelation, does not condemn the law.  The law was perfect making wise the simple, and a lot of times we get a bad impression of the law because not many people see the law the way David did as perfect and refreshing.  We don't this demonstrated when Christ came to earth for His ministry.  Under the law David could see grace (Psalm 51) when most people were never able to see the grace written into His commandments.  

The law was not hard until people made it hard.  Many people sinned many many times under the law and the prophets tell us that He was patient with them through years and years of rebellion.  If people had been able to see the grace in the commandments the way David did, the world might look pretty different today.  If they could see that the law gave them a way to repent because it was perfect, things might be very different today.  

But, they didn't.  They took it for granted that he was slow to anger and wanting them to turn in repentance, and then after much time passed breaking the law, there was judgement.  

But, the law was favor.  There should be nothing wrong or difficult about abstaining from pork.  As many people who have had questions about this subject may have learned.  It is not a difficult command.  

So, personally, I do eat bacon sometimes with breakfast, but not a whole lot, which is really preference more than anything else.  I just don't like pork chops or other pork products.  They don't taste very good to me.  

So, this may be preference, but I do often seek to apply principles from the law in my life that are beneficial to my health.  I don't think I would ever eat a vulture even if all things are clean, or that this has ever become a popular item on a menu (Leviticus 11:13).  I think I might wash my hand if I am helping to clean a wound with fluid draining from it (Leviticus 15), and I am probably going to use some bleach to kill mold if I see it present somewhere in my house because having mold in your house can be bad for your respiratory system (Leviticus 14:42-44).  

So, we are clearly blessed to still have the law as believers in many ways even if we are told that we no longer have to abstain from pork.  The law is still perfect, and it always will be.  

 

 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Esther4:14 said:

I believe that Peter was an apostle of Christ, so yes I do believe that a believer can eat pork because Peter was given the revelation to demonstrate his authority as an apostle.  This is why this revelation was not given to someone else (Acts 10:13-15).  

So, to say that a believer can't eat pork, is to reject the authority of Peter as an apostle.  

With that being said, I also agree with David that, " The law of the LORD is perfect, refreshing the soul. The statutes of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple."

So, to say that I honor Peter as an apostle and respect his revelation, does not condemn the law.  The law was perfect making wise the simple, and a lot of times we get a bad impression of the law because not many people see the law the way David did as perfect and refreshing.  We don't this demonstrated when Christ came to earth for His ministry.  Under the law David could see grace (Psalm 51) when most people were never able to see the grace written into His commandments.  

The law was not hard until people made it hard.  Many people sinned many many times under the law and the prophets tell us that He was patient with them through years and years of rebellion.  If people had been able to see the grace in the commandments the way David did, the world might look pretty different today.  If they could see that the law gave them a way to repent because it was perfect, things might be very different today.  

But, they didn't.  They took it for granted that he was slow to anger and wanting them to turn in repentance, and then after much time passed breaking the law, there was judgement.  

But, the law was favor.  There should be nothing wrong or difficult about abstaining from pork.  As many people who have had questions about this subject may have learned.  It is not a difficult command.  

So, personally, I do eat bacon sometimes with breakfast, but not a whole lot, which is really preference more than anything else.  I just don't like pork chops or other pork products.  They don't taste very good to me.  

So, this may be preference, but I do often seek to apply principles from the law in my life that are beneficial to my health.  I don't think I would ever eat a vulture even if all things are clean, or that this has ever become a popular item on a menu (Leviticus 11:13).  I think I might wash my hand if I am helping to clean a wound with fluid draining from it (Leviticus 15), and I am probably going to use some bleach to kill mold if I see it present somewhere in my house because having mold in your house can be bad for your respiratory system (Leviticus 14:42-44).  

So, we are clearly blessed to still have the law as believers in many ways even if we are told that we no longer have to abstain from pork.  The law is still perfect, and it always will be.  

 

 

The entire Pentateuch is the law. The law contains several covenants, not just the law from moses.

400 years before Moses law, it is said of our father Abraham

Gen 26:5  Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
 

[Reinitin]

My bible doesnt tell me you have to say this and you have to say that to be christian. The catholic church made all that up. My bible tells me the lip service of men has no value if there hearts are far away from God. My bible tells me how to know my brothers and sisters in christ and its not by their lip service  its by their devotion to christ and love for the saints.

[HAZARD]

We can eat what ever we like.

Simply put, Christ fulfilled the OT Laws.

There are five things we are not to judge others about Coll. 2:16.

1. What to eat (V. 16; 1 Tim. 4; Rom. 14.)

2. What to drink (V 16; Gal. 10:31.)

3. What Holy days to keep (V. 16: Gal. 4).

4. What new moon, festivals to keep (V. 16).

5. What Sabbaths to observe (V. 16: Rom. 14:5-6; Gal. 4:9-10).

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Col/ 2: 16, Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect7 of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Gal. 4: 9, But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements,  whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
   

V. 10, Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
   

V.  11, I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Rom. 14: 5, One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded2 in his own mind.
   

V. 6, He that regardeth3 the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.