Speaking in tongues is that ,real or alive today ?

[ricky]

I think the problem is people can't agree with what "tongues" are, I don't believe any of the spiritual gifts have passed away, however what is the purpose of spiritual gifts? I believe they are there to glorify  Christ first of all and to help the church function. A lot of the time we see tongues lifted up above other gifts, some even pinning salvation on speaking in tongues, I believe the Bible speaks against this in verses 29 and 30 of 1st Corinthians 12 when it Paul asks rhetorically . "Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?  Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?". Paul then encourages the readers to say "Now desire the greater gifts" he then writes about the greatest gift being love in the famous Chapter  13.

However it seems to me that some have elevated the gift of tongues to be the greatest gift, rather than the least has Paul says in 1st Corinthians 14.

As I have said before I do not believe the gifts have passed away but I think they are sometimes misapplied, I was at a conference one time where there was two alter calls, one fore salvation, and the other to receive the gift of tongues. During this alter call he told those who came forward to "just start speaking in a language you don't understand don't speak English, or a language you know just speak" this seemed to me as a fake it til you make it approach  and it didn't sit well with me at all. I think this could also be very damaging as those who went up wanted it so badly that they could become so emotionally involved in it that they could genuinely believe that they are speaking in tongues, but are in fact just speaking nonsensical words to the air.  

Edited November 17, 2015 by saved_ricky

[missmuffet]

Here is a round up of what the Bible says about speaking in tongues, SS.  The ones that jump out to me are Corinthians 14:22 and 27, 28.  I have heard the 'Prophet' Brian Carnes suddenly break into tongues on t.v. and THAT is totally fake.  We have to be certain of who we are listening to.  God doesn't have anyone suddenly break into gibberish which neither they, or anyone else, can understand  because He doesn't do pointless things, ever.

 

Bible verses related to Speaking In Tongues from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance

 

1 Corinthians 14:1-40 - Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [gifts], but rather that ye may prophesy.   (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 14:27-28 - If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret.   (Read More...)
1 Corinthians 14:23 - If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
1 Corinthians 14:2 - For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Mark 16:17 - And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Acts 2:4 - And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 2:1-47 - And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.   (Read More...)
1 Corinthians 13:8 - Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away.
Acts 2:6 - Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
1 Corinthians 14:19 - Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that [by my voice] I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an [unknown] tongue.
Acts 19:6 - And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
1 Corinthians 14:27 - If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret.
Acts 19:1-41 - And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,   (Read More...)
1 Corinthians 14:13 - Wherefore let him that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue pray that he may interpret.
Mark 16:15-18 - And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.   (Read More...)
1 Corinthians 13:1-13 - Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.   (Read More...)
1 Corinthians 14:22 - Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Acts 10:46 - For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Acts 2:1-11 - And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.   (Read More...)
Acts 10:44-46 - While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.   (Read More...)

I believe my post was deleted because I mentioned that tongues was gibberish.

Hmmm...I didn't see that post but some of these so called 'tongues' we see on t.v. ARE gibberish.  The way I understand it from the two verses in red, above, is either the person speaking or those being spoken to have to be able to understand what is being said.  Yes, there really are those who use this practice in a fraudulent way, usually to make money. 

My thought was if I used the word gibberish and then someone else comes along and uses that word and my post gets deleted.What is wrong with this picture?

[SINNERSAVED]

Моја мисао је била да сам употребио реч глупости и онда неко други дође и користи ту реч и мој пост буде делетед.Вхат није у реду са овом сликом?

 

nice, I really like that , awesome brother,lol

[Leonardo Von]

On 11/14/2015 at 5:01 PM, missmuffet said:

There is no evidence that Jesus ever spoke in tongues.

 

On 11/14/2015 at 5:07 PM, RustyAngeL said:

Of course Jesus didn't speak in tongues,

Pardon me, sisters, but Jesus speaks in tongues. See the passages, please:

• "And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise." (Mark 5.41).

• "And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened." (Mark 7.34).

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  "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Mark 15.34).

[ayin jade]

Thats aramaic, a language that was common at the time. 

[RustyAngeL]

Just now, Leonardo Von said:

 

Pardon me, sisters, but Jesus speaks in tongues. See the passages, please:

• "And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise." (Mark 5.41).

• "And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened." (Mark 7.34).

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  "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Mark 15.34).

He did not speak in tongues as believers.  What you wrote is not speaking in tongues.  If I"m not mistaken and please correct me if I"m wrong, That is Aramaic and that is what He spoke, that and Hebrew.  To speak in tongues is to speak without understanding Jesus knew just what He was saying.

Blessings, RustyAngeL

[coheir]

39 minutes ago, RustyAngeL said:

He did not speak in tongues as believers.  What you wrote is not speaking in tongues.  If I"m not mistaken and please correct me if I"m wrong, That is Aramaic and that is what He spoke, that and Hebrew.  To speak in tongues is to speak without understanding Jesus knew just what He was saying.

Blessings, RustyAngeL

and I believe to have an interpreter, if spoken in front of others.

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, Leonardo Von said:

Pardon me, sisters, but Jesus speaks in tongues.

As already mentioned, Jesus did NOT speak in tongues. Those are Aramaic words, and His language was Aramaic (closely related to Hebrew) and Hebrew. Even when Christ went into Decapolis (which was a Greek-speaking area adjacent to Israel) He said "Ephphatha" which is Aramaic for "Be opened".  

The gift of tongues was a sign to unbelieving Jews, and was a part of the apostolic period. That is why the Jews gathered from all around the Roman Empire in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost were amazed.  They heard Galileans speaking in their languages supernaturally, and believed that the Gospel was indeed from Heaven.

[RustyAngeL]

12 hours ago, coheir said:

and I believe to have an interpreter, if spoken in front of others.

Correct.

[Leonardo Von]

15 hours ago, ayin jade said:

Thats aramaic, a language that was common at the time. 

15 hours ago, RustyAngeL said:

He did not speak in tongues as believers.  What you wrote is not speaking in tongues.  If I"m not mistaken and please correct me if I"m wrong, That is Aramaic and that is what He spoke, that and Hebrew.  To speak in tongues is to speak without understanding Jesus knew just what He was saying.

I agree with you, RustyAngeL, the Jesus did not speak in tongues as believers (praised be Him for this!). After all, a lot of nonsense has been done in name of Jesus (in particular, in this area).

It’s clear, nevertheless, that we aren’t going to throw away all the spiritual gifts that Jesus gave to His Church to confirm His Word (Mark 16.20; Hebrews 2.4) only because many misusing them. Hence we are talking about this here.

13 hours ago, Ezra said:

 They heard Galileans speaking in their languages supernaturally, and believed that the Gospel was indeed from Heaven.

However, I would like to highlight that, the first time that this gift was manifested in the Day of Pentecost, the tongues spoken was understood (like quoted brother Ezra):

o   “And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.” (Acts 2.12-11).

 

And I believe that the gift of tongues serves so that the language not be a barrier to separate the brothers in Christ.

13 hours ago, Ezra said:

The gift of tongues was a sign to unbelieving Jews.

I liked this citation. I am going to meditate in it more deeply.

Jesus bless you all.