AMERICA IS MYSTERY BABYLON

[ARGOSY]

10 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

I am sure you have seen articles like this lately about every religion not just Islam: 

COLLECTIONS OF VATICAN MUSEUMS REPORTEDLY INCLUDE A PORTABLE TEMPLE OF HINDU GOD VISHNU. This colorful 18th century Vishnu temple reportedly folds and unfolds revealing many stories of Vishnu and is made of wood, mirror, paper, pigments and glass paste. Collections of Vatican Museums also include bronze statues of Hindu divinities dating from 8th to 14th century. Vatican Library carries extensive collection of ancient Hindu scriptures and various other Hinduism related texts; including books on Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas, Mahabharata, Ramayana, Bhagavad-Gita, Panchatantra, Krishna, Brahma, yoga, Shakti, Hindu theology, Hindu pantheon, etc. This Hindu collection is in various languages and some of the editions are as old as 1819. Distinguished Hindu statesman Rajan Zed, in a statement in Nevada (USA) today, commending Holy See and His Holiness Pope Francis, said that it was a remarkable gesture and a step in the right direction to understand each other. Zed invited Pope Francis for a deeper study of ancient Hindu scriptures, which were very rich in philosophical thought, and offered to provide help if asked.

Read more at World Religion News: "Vatican Museums Display Replica of Temple to This Hindu God" http://www.worldreligionnews.com/?p=6110

I am also sure you are aware of the origin of the written and circulated quran and that its back ward revelation and the people pointing fingers that mahdi of Islam is antichristchrist is fully vatican supported.

Thanks for posting this, I wasn't aware of this Hindu/Vatican connection. Regarding the origin of Quran, I haven't seen any evidence yet. But I am aware of the "back to front" prophecies of the quran.  The Christian ISA will bring peace between the religions (he sounds like the antichrist although they think ISA is Jesus) 

[BlindSeeker]

2 hours ago, ARGOSY said:

Just like beasts represent kingdoms, and heads represent kingdoms, and horns represent kingdoms, so do kings represent kingdoms:

^{Daniel 7:7} These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

(they were not 4 kings, there were 4 consecutive kingdoms, therefore the word "kings" is a symbolic word for "kingdoms"

 

As for the phrase "REMAIN a little while" I believe this in contrast to the other kingdoms that disappeared quickly. All the other kingdoms disappeared within a thousand years, they did not remain at all. In contrast, the 7th kingdom will REMAIN (CONTINUE) a little while, it has a longer life than the rest which did not remain at all. That's how I understand the phrase.

Ok.

But you have hardly attempted to answer my questions, and so you have left me, and doubtless others as well, not the least bit persuaded of your premise; primarily because of your failure to provide significant evidence.

So, I believe you are wrong.

Now, like you, I have (and do) believe some things that I have yet to fully substantiate; so I study to seek out the truth of those issues. But when after due diligence in search of the truth I reach the point of not being able to substantiate my held-position, I embrace the things that haven’t fallen to the wayside in my research and gather up the new evidence that leads me further down whatever path it has opened up in my search for truth.

I’ve learned it is folly to just “believe” something, everyone believes something. Some believe Allah is a god and the only one, others don’t believe in a god at all, while others believe in hundreds of gods.  Me? I believe Jesus was God manifested in the flesh. Not because I choose to believe it, but because the scriptures in my research have been used by His Spirit and have proven it to me and thus I can communicate it as a truth to others as it were, line upon line, precept upon precept.

All that said, of course we are talking about kingdoms. That is obvious. However, it is also about a precise timeframe for those kingdoms, specifically that timeframe under a particular king that was responsible for bringing about the fall of that kingdom. For that timeframe (as well as the empire’s direct connection to Israel) is what makes those precise references to both a kingdom and a king relevant and worthy of our consideration and acknowledgment of each as prophetically significant.

Furthermore, this is all made clear by the angel’s referencing the seven heads as being representative of seven mountains; but the angel continues and makes a explicit reference to the “kings” as well. That obligates us as students of God’s word to rightly divide the word and consider the specific relevance of both aspects, kingdom and king. However, it is undeniable that it is the king of which it is stated “when he cometh, he must continue a short space.”

Revelation 17: 9 - And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The mere grammar in the verse above demands the focus on the “king” part of a kingdom; and not the other way around.

So, once again I will ask you another question, how does a "king" fit into your belief of “WEST/EAST Rome." Once you answer that with a reasonably plausible answer, we can then pursue the later part of “he” continuing a "short space" to see if it is in harmony with your position.

 

 

[BlindSeeker]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

I believe what the book says: the Beast has 7 heads, which are 7 mountains, which scripture elsewhere denotes as empires. They are also 7 kings, the spiritual rulers of those empires.“The beast that was, and is not, is himself also an eighth [king]..." 17:11 -- that is, the Beast is also a spiritual king. He comes out of the Abyss: 17:8.

Nowhere does it say, nor can it be, that the others were in the Abyss. For if they were, they would have been unable to rule over earthly empires.

I asked three straightforward questions, and I got a book, and never really got straightforward answers.

Regarding one of the dozen or more of questions shotgunned back at me was, "... how do you know the beast that ascends out of the abyss is the beast in Revelation 13...?"

WilliamL

Obviously you must read short books...

If you are going to be rude, then I am truly sorry I took the time to answer you.

[Reinitin]

29 minutes ago, ARGOSY said:

Thanks for posting this, I wasn't aware of this Hindu/Vatican connection. Regarding the origin of Quran, I haven't seen any evidence yet. But I am aware of the "back to front" prophecies of the quran.  The Christian ISA will bring peace between the religions (he sounds like the antichrist although they think ISA is Jesus) 

I read the testimony of Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest after his conversion to Protestant Christianity. As a jesuit priest he had access to many historical documents guarded at the vatican. Now I do know to save my judgment till Christ. I have fact checked some of his statements to historical records available. So far I haven't found any claim he makes about rome's geographical and political movements to be fabricated. Mohammed wife and her cousin who interpreted His visions were devout Catholics and it is a very interesting testimony to read. I think he was poisoned shortly after he exposed the information.

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[Reinitin]

BTW Albert Rivera appears to be a total nut case. There are criminal allegations, denials about Him being a priest  a total smear of his character and integrity. But if you look who smeared Him its catholic supporters so who knows. people who knew him say the allegations are all fabricated he was committed to making the truth known and he knew he would die for doing it.

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, BlindSeeker said:

WilliamL

Obviously you must read short books...

If you are going to be rude, then I am truly sorry I took the time to answer you.

Yes, I read short books, like Jude, for example.

As far as rude, long posts that avoid answers is rude in my book, because I wasted my time reading the whole thing thinking that somewhere in there I'd find your answers. But there was only evasiveness and changing the subject, such as a lot of talking about Rev. 13 as if I had mentioned it. I find that disrespectful.

[BlindSeeker]

4 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Yes, I read short books, like Jude, for example.

As far as rude, long posts that avoid answers is rude in my book, because I wasted my time reading the whole thing thinking that somewhere in there I'd find your answers. But there was only evasiveness and changing the subject, such as a lot of talking about Rev. 13 as if I had mentioned it. I find that disrespectful.

No disrespect intended, but feel free to continue with whatever you believe. I will not labor to try and change you position any further nor waste anymore of my time as well.

[other one]

Keep in mind as you discuss, whatever comes out of the abyss, must have been put there to start with.

[RevelationWriter]

6 hours ago, ARGOSY said:

I agree.

Rome  split into WEST/EAST Rome

 

West:    Mystery Babylon (Rome)

East:      Turkey (Byzantium/Ottoman)

 

I believe this split Rome is the 7th empire. These two parts of Rome were often at war with each other.    Now under Nato (military) and also under Chrislam (religious) they are uniting again in one voice.

                                             

- There are over 850 scriptures of the city Jerusalem most within Prophecies past, present, and future.

- There are only 9 scriptures of the city of Rome. In which none are Prophetic.

Interpretations of scripture are not revelations in scripture.

Perception is not Prophecy. 

[RevelationWriter]

On ‎3‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 7:51 AM, WilliamL said:

Rev. 12:14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time apo/away from the face/presence of the serpent.

Stong's G575 ἀπό apó, apo'; a primary particle; "off," i.e. away (from something near)

Had to get it from Strong's to figure that out did ya?