A fence-sitter finally jumps off

[Diaste]

On 6/10/2016 at 0:52 PM, Ezra said:

Actually it is mentioned indirectly in Rev 3:10, but there is really no compelling reason why it should be mentioned there at all. Revelation focuses primarily on the judgments to come upon the unbelieving and ungodly world. What you find is a series of judgments, but they have nothing to do with the Church.

Something that must be considered are the saints of God since the 1800's. In countries all over the world there has been terrible persecution of believers. It's still happening today.  Does pre trib not consider those dying for belief in the Lord Jesus as real christians? Or perhaps it's just US churches that are special enough to avoid persecution at the hand of man? The premise of pretrib is all wrong as detailed in Matt 24. First the A of D, then the beast, who persecutes and kills Jews and christians alike, then Jesus appears and resurrects the dead in Christ and those who are alive and remain. Since scripture clearly says the dead in Christ rise first does pretrib state the dead are raised in this secret rapture? 

The Resurrection/Rapture -- Christ coming for His saints -- is mentioned several times in the NT. You can start with John 14:1-3.  In fact the resurrection of the saints is a key doctrine in the Bible, so perhaps the deficiency is in your not have researched this fully. 

It's mentioned but it's not pre trib. All those scriptures have been either added to, subtracted, or twisted from their original meaning and intent.

Since Christ does not descend to earth at the Rapture but comes in *the air*strictly for His saints and then returns to Heaven with them, the Rapture is not a "coming" in the sense of coming down to earth.  So there are really only two comings of Christ.

Really? You mean to say that Jesus left the throne room, left heaven, to appear in the air of the earth, and he didn't 'come'?  It certainly sounds as though he left heaven and came to the troposphere, how is that not a 'coming'? It's not a coming as in coming down to earth? So in order for any of us to consider that Jesus 'came' he has to touch the earth? I suppose he should meet with a few witnesses before his coming can be truly confirmed? This is another outlandish claim by pretrib.  Scripture describes Jesus coming in the clouds of heaven, that's in the air(Matt 24). Scripture does not demand Jesus set foot on earth before His coming is truly an actual 'coming'.

And so should you, or anyone else. Since there is not a single occurrence of the word *Church* or *churches* after Revelation 3, it behooves every student of Scripture to ask why, when the rest of the NT speaks of the Church and churches all the time.  People simply don't get it that the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation are NOT for the people of God, but for the unbelieving and the ungodly. This is so basic and so simply, yet some Christians can't seem to get their heads around this.

What we cannot get our heads around is the illogic of this argument. Pre trib argues a fact from lack of evidence. It's a logical fallacy called the argument from ignorance. 

Description: The assumption of a conclusion or fact based primarily on lack of evidence to the contrary.  Usually best described by, “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/56/Argument_from_Ignorance

Since there is no evidence the church is on earth from Rev 4 to Rev 19(there is) pre trib assumes the church is not on earth. This is a wild assumption based only on a lack of mention of the church at this time. No scripture explicitly states the church is taken to heaven in Rev 4:1, or before 'great tribulation' that only occurs after the A of D. Another glaring point is: if believers are not appointed to wrath, and pretrib believes the 70th week is God's wrath, then how could there be any believers on earth after a pretrib rapture? Clearly some are as is obvious from Rev 7.  But there should not be because we are not appointed to wrath. I assure you the coming of the beast is to test the church and the church will be here during great tribulation.

Since only God the Holy Spirit has the power to restrain Satan, and even the archangel Michael dared not rebuke Satan, but asked God to rebuke him, it follows that the only one holding back the full control of this world by Satan is God the Holy Spirit by His presence on earth and within the Church.

If this is true, and no believers in Jesus would left to face God's wrath in the tribulation period, then no one would be left to witness to unbelievers, the Holy Spirit would not be here to convert sinners, and no one would be saved during this time. That's not biblical as we see tribulation saints in Rev 7.

You seem to have forgotten that Noah and his family and Lot and his family were preserved from God's wrath. Christians are special because God considers them as special -- His own children who are also in the Body of Christ -- literally joined to Christ.

From God's wrath, yes. But are we to think that Lot and Noah did not suffer persecution? I bet Noah did. And it must have been tough for Lot in Sodom. What about the 1st century christians? Were they not special to God? They were terribly persecuted. How about christians today across the world? Are they less special because they are shot, beheaded, raped and tortured in 2016?

This is the elitist world view of western christianity:  Nothing bad will happen to us even though a bunch of christians are suffering and dying all over the world.

And what of the Jewish persecution? Are they not special to God? Are they not His children? If not for the Jews there would not be christians. Jesus went to the Jews only, not Gentiles. Potential christians were not special enough for Jesus to even set foot outside Israel. We are just fortunate God grafted us into the olive branch.

Maybe so.  But all Christians (and the whole world) should know that this Man of Sin will appear to deceive and control the whole world for 3 1/2 years. This disinterest does not invalidate the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. A lot of pastors and teachers are not interested in Bible prophecy either, and some denominations believe that nothing (or almost nothing) remains to be fulfilled, and the AC showed up in 70 AD.

Should they know? I submit they do not care as they have been led down a primrose path wearing blinders. They're disinterested because it's all been wrapped up in pretty packaging with a cute bow. They have nothing to worry about cause none are going to be here anyway. The harsh reality of their condition, and destiny, has been subverted by a false teaching. It is our duty to search out the truth of God and not man. We should believe no person when it comes to scripture. We are obligated to know the truth of God by the Spirit and speak it.

 

[Revelation Man]

18 hours ago, OakWood said:

Of course wicked men will still be on the Earth while we are raptured but that apllies to Post-Trib just as much as it does pre-Trib. Christians endure the Trib and then they are snatched away while the wicked are still on Earth. There is nothing here that suggests we will be raptured before that. It works either way. You're just using the pre-Trib rapture as a foregone conclusion and then imagining the story to make it fit.

 

But post-tribbers say we are called to meet Jesus in the air and come straight back to earth. And believe me, if you ever read my posts, you would know I put a great deal of thought into every thing I communicate. But the Holy Spirit should never guide us wrong, when a large part of Christendom (either way) is wrong about a subject, (whoever is wrong) something is wrong with the Church, the Spirit should always lead us unto truth, he is the Spirit of truth. I really do not ever try to put too much emphasis on single verses here or there, I look at it as a Mosaic. The Pre-Trib fits for many reasons. God took the mantle from Israel, gave it to us for a set time, then will give it back to Israel. The 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel has Six goals that have to be met to usher in the End of time. The Tribulation period is all about Israel, not the Church.  The Jewish Marriage Feast is traditionally one week. Paul who went to Heaven and got taught by the angels says that there is a Mystery.... and then says we will be Harpazoed, or snatched away. If we are in Heaven for the Marriage of the Lamb Rev. 19, how much time will that take ? The very first Seal is the Lambs wrath. Not the Anti-Christs. 

 

18 hours ago, OakWood said:

Jesus calls with a shout. It's not secret, it's not subtle - therefore that is the second coming. If he comes again there is a third coming. Pre-Tribbers can't seem to get their heads around that and they attempt to ignore this second coming and pretend that it's not really a coming at all, when it is.

 

All will see Jesus at his Second Coming, that is true, but the Rapture is not the Second Coming, we have to go back to Heaven (Rev 19) as you agreed, so how is Jesus calling us to Heaven the Second Coming ? It doesn't fit. We Saints, come back with Jesus (Rev. 19) Immediately After the tribulation. That is the Second Coming.  Only the true Christians, filled with the Holy Spirit hear the call to come up here !! A per the week long Marriage Feast, and the Rapture. Jesus gave a clue to who would be taken and left. Jesus said the Five Foolish Virgins did not fill their Lamp (Bodies) with Oil (Holy Spirit) so when the Bridegroom came, they were in the DARK !! They did not hear his call in other words, and missed the Marriage Feast. 

 

18 hours ago, OakWood said:

So what if Israel are God's chosen people. That does not mean that Christians will be raptured before the Tribulation. The Jews have always been God's chosen people so it makes no difference -and once again, it's just an assumption made to fit in with the concept of a pre-Trib rapture. pre-Tribbers claim that the time of the gentiles will be over therefore Christians have to vanish. No Jews vanished during the time of the Gentiles did they?

 

Jesus was cut-off after the 69th week, there really is no weeks, the word used means Sevened, and there were three distinct periods, 7x7, 62x7 and that leaves 1x7. These six things had to happen in order for the End to come to Israels punishment/reconciliation.   1. Finish the transgression 2. Make and end of sins 3. To make reconciliation for iniquity 4. Bring in everlasting righteousness  5. To seal up vision and prophecy 6. Anoint the most Holy

 This is all about Israel, and the Last Week or last set of Seven years has to finish their (Israels) Transgression/Revolt/Rebellion, bring and end to sin per Israel, they can only reconcile their sins by WHAT ? Accepting Jesus as their Messiah, that is the only way !! It's all about Israel. Only Jesus can bring in everlasting righteousness, so when this is fulfilled, Jesus will be ruling in his millennial kingdom. All of prophecy must be sealed up/closed up, by the time this prophecy comes to pass. That would be the End of the Age, of course. Anoint the most Holy. Amen.  This is why the Tribulation or Jacobs Trouble is so important. It is all about Israel.

 

18 hours ago, OakWood said:

I'll leave you with this verse. a verse for all those pre-Tribbers who think that they won't be around to find out who the antiChrist is:

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2 Thessalonians 2:3

Again, the confusion of the Rapture vs. the Second Coming is why this verse gets mixed up. There will be a great falling away, this is true, look at the churches today, look at what they allow............and the Anti-Christ will be revealed before the Second Coming, no doubt. But the Rapture happens before the Second Coming, (not before both events, typo) but as Paul said, it's a Mystery/Secret.  We come back with Jesus in Rev. 19 remember ? So there has to be a Rapture First. GOD BLESS.

 

By the way, I respect your journey to your opinion, I am not one that bashes others opinions. I just advocate my reasoning's which I have.

Edited June 12, 2016 by Revelation Man

[Diaste]

2 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

But post-tribbers say we are called to meet Jesus in the air and come straight back to earth. And believe me, if you ever read my posts, you would know I put a great dea of thought into every thing I communicate. But the Holy Spirit should never guide us wrong, when a large part of Christendom (either way) is wrong about a subject, (whoever is wrong) something is wrong with the Church, the Spirit should always lead us unto truth, he is the Spirit of truth. I really do not ever try to put too much emphasis on single verses here or there, I look at it as a Mosaic. The Pre-Trib fits for many reasons. God took the mantle from Israel, gave it to us for a set time, then will give it back to Israel. The 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel has Six goals that have to be met to usher in the End of time. The Tribulation period is all about Israel, not the Church.  The Jewish Marriage Feast is traditionally one week. Paul who went to Heaven and got taught by the angels says that there is a Mystery.... and then says we will be Harpazoed, or snatched away. If we are in Heaven for the Marriage of the Lamb Rev. 19, how much time will that take ? The very first Seal is the Lambs wrath. Not the Anti-Christs. 

So many assumptions I don't know where to begin. First Jews and gentiles are considered the same. We have been grafted in, all are one in Christ. Separating the two is division and not truth. I don't know where the rest of what you said comes from but I would like to see some scripture to support what you say, i.e. The Mantle thing, Paul being taught by angels, Lamb's wrath at the first seal, etc. and scripture please, not commentary.

 

All will see Jesus at his Second Coming, that is true, but the Rapture is not the Second Coming, we have to go back to Heaven (Rev 19) as you agreed, so how is Jesus calling us to Heaven the Second Coming ? It doesn't fit. We Saints, come back with Jesus (Rev. 19) Immediately After the tribulation. That is the Second Coming.  Only the true Christians, filled with the Holy Spirit hear the call to come up here !! A per the week long Marriage Feast, and the Rapture. Jesus gave a clue to who would be taken and left. Jesus said the Five Foolish Virgins did not fill their Lamp (Bodies) with Oil (Holy Spirit) so when the Bridegroom came, they were in the DARK !! They did not hear his call in other words, and missed the Marriage Feast. 

If only the true believer hears the call what do you say about the verse that tells us the dead in Christ rise first? They dead can't hear can they?

Again, the confusion of the Rapture vs. the Second Coming is why this verse gets mixed up. There will be a great falling away, this is true, look at the churches today, look at what they allow............and the Anti-Christ will be revealed before the Second Coming, no doubt. But the Rapture happens before both of these events, but as Paul said, it's a Mystery/Secret.  We come back with Jesus in Rev. 19 remember ? So there has to be a Rapture First. 

.From what you just said then pretrib fails. The prophesied event of the falling away has happened and is happening. And why is it that the marriage supper has to occur in heaven before the 2nd coming? That really doesn't work does it? There would have to be two marriage suppers, one for the pretrib saints, and one for the tribulation saints. All the saints that made it through the trib are part of the bride, aren't they? So either there are two marriage suppers or only one after the wrath of God is finally complete. This means that the rapture could occur at the 2nd coming, just before the wrath of God falls when we are all changed in an instant. The sign of the coming of the son of man appears, we are raptured and changed in a nanosecond, and the sky rolls back and there's Jesus with the saints in the clouds of heaven. One coming, one rapture, one marriage supper, no pretrib.

 

By the way, I respect your journey to your opinion, I am not one that bashes others opinions. I just advocate my reasoning's which I have.

 

[FresnoJoe]

39 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

All will see Jesus at his Second Coming, that is true,
but the Rapture is not the Second Coming, we have to go back to Heaven....

As I See It, Jesus Will Stay In Heaven

I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early. Hosea 5:15

Until The Second

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Revelation 19:11-14

Coming

Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem. The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.

In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack.

The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. Zephaniah 3:14-17

Glory~!

Love, Your Brother Joe

[ghtan]

On 6/10/2016 at 6:02 PM, OakWood said:

However, I have now jumped off the fence and I am leaning towards the side of Post-Trib - pre-Wrath.

1/ No real mention of pre-Trib having happened in Book of Revelation.

You would think that one of the greatest events in history would get some sort of mention in a future prophecy. People disappearing into thin air or rising up into the sky would be Worldwide news that would be talked about for years to come. Many people left behind would be eyewitnesses to the fact that something big and miraculous happened. Even if you didn't see anybody disappear yourself, you would know somebody that did and you would probably know somebody who 'disappeared'. Yet in future prophecy life goes on as normal. Nobody refers back to the 'great vanishing' or ever seems to mention it. Sure, people get persecuted, the two witnesses get killed and people celebrate their deaths by giving each other presents, people end up with horrible sores on their bodies, this happens, and that happens, and such-and-such occurs ..... but it's as if the rapture never happened so I'm actually wondering if it is actually going to happen at all... well at least not until after the Great Trib.

 

I'm not a pre-tribber and thus I agree with several of your points. However, doesn't post-trib-pre-wrath assume a rapture before Jesus' Second Coming? If not, what is the difference between that and simple post-trib? Where in your view is the rapture pictured in the book of Revelation?

[Last Daze]

On 6/10/2016 at 7:03 PM, Ezra said:

Those who begin with a false premise end up with a false conclusion. 

Not true.

Premise: All black dogs are Labrador retrievers - false

Premise: My dog is black - true

Conclusion: My dog is a Labrador retriever - true

[enoob57]

15 hours ago, OakWood said:

 

It's just more of the over-complicated stuff that made me suspect the pre-Trib in the first place. Pre-Tribbers are thinking too hard - they are making the simple complicated.

Both theories are valid but pre-Trib is more complicated and somewhat unnecessary, and I believe that's what wishful thinking does to people. ~Almost nobody had heard of pre-Trib including great Christian thinkers until Darby proposed it and such a popular and comforting theory has become widely accepted.

If it makes you feel better to think that Jesus returns wearing a banana-colored superman cape then there's nothing in scripture to say that he won't.

Oakwood I will point out to you this fact: that knowing the future as God has written it is not of milk but of meat
and yes God say 'A Workman' that needeth not to be ashamed! Giving pause to what you have said above I would
consider this carefully    Love, Steven

[Revelation Man]

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

So many assumptions I don't know where to begin. First Jews and gentiles are considered the same. We have been grafted in, all are one in Christ. Separating the two is division and not truth. I don't know where the rest of what you said comes from but I would like to see some scripture to support what you say, i.e. The Mantle thing, Paul being taught by angels, Lamb's wrath at the first seal, etc. and scripture please, not commentary.

 

I just assumed you knew the scriptures I was referring to.... 

^{Romans 11:24} For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature , and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: (The Gentiles were a wild olive Branch grafted into a cultivated olive tree) how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

²⁵ For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

²⁶ And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: ²⁷ For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. ( So when I say the "Mantle" was taken away from Israel and given to the Gentiles, then will be give back to Israel, verse 25 clearly points to this, Israel will SEE AGAIN, after the fullness of the Gentiles is come in. They will be given their Mantle back and Jesus will take away their sins just as Zechariah 12:10 says along with Zech. 13 1-5. )

 

Luke 24:²⁴ And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. ( Jesus is clearly saying that the Gentiles have a specific time frame that he has ordained. )

2 Corinthians 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4 how that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 

^{Galatians 1: 11} But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.  ¹² For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. (I figure Jesus and the Angels ministered to Paul)

Paul had received many visions in his life, six of which are recorded in Acts (9:3–12; 16:9–10; 18:9–10; 22:17–21; 23:11; 27:23–24). He had also received the gospel he preached by revelation (Gal. 1:11–12). But the vision he was about to describe was the most amazing and remarkable of them all. With characteristic humility, he related it in the third person, writing, I know a man in Christ. Obviously, Paul was that man, as verse 7 indicates.

The vision took place fourteen years before the writing of 2 Corinthians, which was in late a.d. 55 or early a.d. 56, putting it sometime between Paul’s return to Tarsus from Jerusalem (Acts 9:30) and his commissioning by the Holy Spirit (Acts 13:1–3). Little is known about that period of Paul’s life except that during it he ministered in Syria and Cilicia (Gal. 1:21).  Exactly what was the reality of the experience was unclear even to Paul, as the twice-repeated phrase whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know emphasizes. He did not know whether his body and soul were caught up to the third heaven or whether his soul temporarily went out of his body. Caught up translates harpazo, the same verb used of the Rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. Paul was suddenly snatched up into the third heaven which, transcending the first (earth’s atmosphere; Deut. 11:11; 1 Kings 8:35; Isa. 55:10) and second (interplanetary and interstellar space; Gen. 15:5; Ps. 8:3; Isa. 13:10) heavens, is the abode of God (1 Kings 8:30; Ps. 33:13–14; Matt. 6:9). The parallelism of the two phrases demands that Paradise be equated with heaven (see Luke 23:43; cf. Rev. 2:7, which says the Tree of Life is in Paradise with Rev. 22:2, 14, 19, which place it in heaven).

^{Ephesians 3:2} If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: ³ How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, ⁴ Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) the Mystery was that the Gentiles would be grafted in, and given the Mantle of the dispensation of the Gospel, because of Israel's rejection of God/Jesus, and when the Fullness of the Gentiles was come in, then All Israel would be saved, (Romans 11:26, Isaiah 59:20 and Jeremiah 31:1).

 

^{Revelation 7:4} And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. ( Notice, they are Sealed with the name of the Father, the Church is the Bride of Christ Jesus. We are brothers, but they are the natural branches, w are the wild branches, they are with Jesus preaching the Gospel in Revelation in Chapter 14. We are indeed in the same Family, but even Israel had 12 different tribes, and one was set aside (Levi) to be Priests of God, likewise the Gentiles and Israelite's have a different calling and timing from God.  )

 

The First Seal is the Wrath of the Lamb, God doesn't do things out of sync, either the Seals are Gods wrath all of them, or they are not His wrath. Revelation 6:

¹⁵ And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;¹⁶ And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

 

This went long, quoting scriptures take much more space, which is why I usually paraphrase. So I will answer in another post also. God Bless

[Revelation Man]

11 hours ago, Diaste said:

If only the true believer hears the call what do you say about the verse that tells us the dead in Christ rise first? They dead can't hear can they?

 

Of course the Dead in Christ can hear, our bodies are not going to Heaven, as soon as we are called we will leave our bodies, the dead in Christ only sleep.

 

11 hours ago, Diaste said:

.From what you just said then pretrib fails. The prophesied event of the falling away has happened and is happening. And why is it that the marriage supper has to occur in heaven before the 2nd coming? That really doesn't work does it? There would have to be two marriage suppers, one for the pretrib saints, and one for the tribulation saints. All the saints that made it through the trib are part of the bride, aren't they? So either there are two marriage suppers or only one after the wrath of God is finally complete. This means that the rapture could occur at the 2nd coming, just before the wrath of God falls when we are all changed in an instant. The sign of the coming of the son of man appears, we are raptured and changed in a nanosecond, and the sky rolls back and there's Jesus with the saints in the clouds of heaven. One coming, one rapture, one marriage supper, no pretrib.

 

That was a Typo, that I corrected, even before I read your reply, both the Falling Away (Apostasy) and the Second Coming do not come after the Rapture. Only the Second Coming comes after the Rapture, I usually say it in reverse, both the Falling Away and Rapture come before the Second Coming. That is why the typo came about. The five foolish virgins missed the bridegrooms call to the marriage feast. Again, Rev. 19 requires a pre-trib rapture. Also the Jewish Marriage Feast is traditionally One Week. The time of Jacobs trouble or the last week of Daniels prophecy of 70 weeks is One Week. It all fits. 

 

God Bless

[OakWood]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Of course the Dead in Christ can hear, our bodies are not going to Heaven, as soon as we are called we will leave our bodies, the dead in Christ only sleep.

 

That was a Typo, that I corrected, even before I read your reply, both the Falling Away (Apostasy) and the Second Coming do not come after the Rapture. Only the Second Coming comes after the Rapture, I usually say it in reverse, both the Falling Away and Rapture come before the Second Coming. That is why the typo came about. The five foolish virgins missed the bridegrooms call to the marriage feast. Again, Rev. 19 requires a pre-trib rapture. Also the Jewish Marriage Feast is traditionally One Week. The time of Jacobs trouble or the last week of Daniels prophecy of 70 weeks is One Week. It all fits. 

 

God Bless

When you say that the second coming comes after the rapture you really mean the third coming don't you, seeing as Jesus has to come (with a shout) to collect the elect to be raptured.

Let's just hope that nobody hears that shout otherwise people might think that Jesus is returning!