Revelation 6 thru 22

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, Sister said:

Revelation Man

How can the woman in Rev 12 be Israel?

She is Zion.

Israel were under Zion, and we gentiles who believe are under Zion now also, her teachings.

All who are in Zion follow the Lord.

Israel did not flee into the wilderness for 3 1/2 yrs.  The apostles did when Christ died, because the Jews were coming after them.  Satan was using PAUL to do this during this time.

So Israel cannot be the woman, because Israel was attacking the Woman (the doctrine of Christ now). The "Woman" was fleeing from Israel.  Israel were the first to have the spirit of antichrist, because they did not accept Christ nor his teachings.

The woman fled into the wilderness (world), where her teachings were preserved, and taught amongst those in hiding.  Satan could not tamper with the Word of the NT, for this period of time, as all the gospels and epistles were kept hidden from him by the apostles through the hand of God..

 

Hello Sister....I answer this in the Post right below miss muffets post. How Israel is the Woman.  Put Daniel 12:1-2, Rev. 12:7 and Matthew 15-24 together. They are all three speaking about the EXACT SAME TIME.... Israel, flees Judea, just like Jesus says in Matthew 24. 

God Bless

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, eileenhat said:

Revelations is merely an image of spiritual revelations, not an ultimate authority.

Excerpt:

What is Sovereignty?

Sovereignty can be defined as having supreme authority, control, and power over all that has happened, is happening, and will happen in the future in all times across all history.  Christians define it as the ruler of the universe, God, having the right, the authority, and the power to govern all that happens and what has, is, or will happen being in accordance to His divine will. He has the right to achieve His purposes and has the power to bring about circumstances that dictate whatever He wills to come to pass.   

source: 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2014/09/12/top-7-bible-verses-showing-gods-sovereignty/

That is wrong.

Question: "How can I understand the Book of Revelation?"

Answer: The key to Bible interpretation, especially for the book of Revelation, is to have a consistent hermeneutic. Hermeneutics is the study of the principles of interpretation. In other words, it is the way you interpret Scripture. A normal hermeneutic or normal interpretation of Scripture means that unless the verse or passage clearly indicates the author was using figurative language, it should be understood in its normal sense. We are not to look for other meanings if the natural meaning of the sentence makes sense. Also, we are not to spiritualize Scripture by assigning meanings to words or phrases when it is clear the author, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, meant it to be understood as it is written.

One example is Revelation 20. Many will assign various meanings to references to a thousand-year period. Yet, the language does not imply in any way that the references to the thousand years should be taken to mean anything other than a literal period of one thousand years.

A simple outline for the book of Revelation is found in Revelation 1:19. In the first chapter, the risen and exalted Christ is speaking to John. Christ tells John to “write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.” The things John had already seen are recorded in chapter 1. The “things which are” (that were present in John's day) are recorded in chapters 2–3 (the letters to the churches). The “things that will take place” (future things) are recorded in chapters 4–22.

Generally speaking, chapters 4–18 of Revelation deal with God's judgments on the people of the earth. These judgments are not for the church (1 Thessalonians 5:2, 9). Before the judgments begin, the church will have been removed from the earth in an event called the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-52). Chapters 4–18 describe a time of “Jacob's trouble”—trouble for Israel (Jeremiah 30:7; Daniel 9:12, 12:1). It is also a time when God will judge unbelievers for their rebellion against Him.

Chapter 19 describes Christ's return with the church, the bride of Christ. He defeats the beast and the false prophet and casts them into the lake of fire. In Chapter 20, Christ has Satan bound and cast in the Abyss. Then Christ sets up His kingdom on earth that will last 1000 years. At the end of the 1000 years, Satan is released and he leads a rebellion against God. He is quickly defeated and also cast into the lake of fire. Then the final judgment occurs, the judgment for all unbelievers, when they too are cast into the lake of fire.

Chapters 21 and 22 describe what is referred to as the eternal state. In these chapters God tells us what eternity with Him will be like. The book of Revelation is understandable. God would not have given it to us if its meaning were entirely a mystery. The key to understanding the book of Revelation is to interpret it as literally as possible—it says what it means and means what it says.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Book-Revelation.html

[Revelation Man]

25 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

That is wrong.

Question: "How can I understand the Book of Revelation?"

Answer: The key to Bible interpretation, especially for the book of Revelation, is to have a consistent hermeneutic. Hermeneutics is the study of the principles of interpretation. In other words, it is the way you interpret Scripture. A normal hermeneutic or normal interpretation of Scripture means that unless the verse or passage clearly indicates the author was using figurative language, it should be understood in its normal sense. We are not to look for other meanings if the natural meaning of the sentence makes sense. Also, we are not to spiritualize Scripture by assigning meanings to words or phrases when it is clear the author, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, meant it to be understood as it is written.

One example is Revelation 20. Many will assign various meanings to references to a thousand-year period. Yet, the language does not imply in any way that the references to the thousand years should be taken to mean anything other than a literal period of one thousand years.

A simple outline for the book of Revelation is found in Revelation 1:19. In the first chapter, the risen and exalted Christ is speaking to John. Christ tells John to “write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.” The things John had already seen are recorded in chapter 1. The “things which are” (that were present in John's day) are recorded in chapters 2–3 (the letters to the churches). The “things that will take place” (future things) are recorded in chapters 4–22.

Generally speaking, chapters 4–18 of Revelation deal with God's judgments on the people of the earth. These judgments are not for the church (1 Thessalonians 5:2, 9). Before the judgments begin, the church will have been removed from the earth in an event called the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-52). Chapters 4–18 describe a time of “Jacob's trouble”—trouble for Israel (Jeremiah 30:7; Daniel 9:12, 12:1). It is also a time when God will judge unbelievers for their rebellion against Him.

Chapter 19 describes Christ's return with the church, the bride of Christ. He defeats the beast and the false prophet and casts them into the lake of fire. In Chapter 20, Christ has Satan bound and cast in the Abyss. Then Christ sets up His kingdom on earth that will last 1000 years. At the end of the 1000 years, Satan is released and he leads a rebellion against God. He is quickly defeated and also cast into the lake of fire. Then the final judgment occurs, the judgment for all unbelievers, when they too are cast into the lake of fire.

Chapters 21 and 22 describe what is referred to as the eternal state. In these chapters God tells us what eternity with Him will be like. The book of Revelation is understandable. God would not have given it to us if its meaning were entirely a mystery. The key to understanding the book of Revelation is to interpret it as literally as possible—it says what it means and means what it says.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Book-Revelation.html

Excellent stuff. I didn't want to be to rough on her. I figured she might hang out and see some new light. 

[missmuffet]

35 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Excellent stuff. I didn't want to be to rough on her. I figured she might hang out and see some new light. 

We are getting this stuff on Worthy that is totally dangerous stuff for the Christian who is not grounded in the true word of God. It allows the Christian to stubble and fall. We need to get everyone away from this false doctrine that makes no sense at all and spiritualizes the word of God instead it taking it literally. I am sure that God wants the Christian to digest their minds and eyes on the TRUTH.

[Revelation Man]

4 hours ago, missmuffet said:

We are getting this stuff on Worthy that is totally dangerous stuff for the Christian who is not grounded in the true word of God. It allows the Christian to stubble and fall. We need to get everyone away from this false doctrine that makes no sense at all and spiritualizes the word of God instead it taking it literally. I am sure that God wants the Christian to digest their minds and eyes on the TRUTH.

To be honest, I had no clue what she was talking about. 

[Sister]

7 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Oh it is Israel for sure. Your interpretation of scripture is false teaching.

Why is it false?  Have you got anything to back that up?

When Israel served God, they were under Zion, this woman.  When Christ came, Israel did not accept him, therefore they rebelled against Zion.  All God's laws come out of Zion.  Zion's laws came down from heaven to Israel first, then to the gentiles.  All of us are who believe are serving Zion, not the harlot,...it's one or the other.

Zion says now you have to serve Christ to serve God.

Israel are still under Zion, but their growth has been stunted, .....nevertheless God will bring them back because they are his original children and he has not forgotten them.

Zion's laws say not to falsely accuse.  You are accusing me according to your doctrine.  Any one can accuse.  You could explain why you think I am wrong?

 Psalms 53:6   Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! When God bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

Psalms 74:2   Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt.

 

[Revelation Man]

17 minutes ago, Sister said:

Why is it false?  Have you got anything to back that up?

When Israel served God, they were under Zion, this woman.  When Christ came, Israel did not accept him, therefore they rebelled against Zion.  All God's laws come out of Zion.  Zion's laws came down from heaven to Israel first, then to the gentiles.  All of us are who believe are serving Zion, not the harlot,...it's one or the other.

Zion says now you have to serve Christ to serve God.

Israel are still under Zion, but their growth has been stunted, .....nevertheless God will bring them back because they are his original children and he has not forgotten them.

Zion's laws say not to falsely accuse.  You are accusing me according to your doctrine.  Any one can accuse.  You could explain why you think I am wrong?

 Psalms 53:6   Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! When God bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

Psalms 74:2   Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt.

 

You do know Zion is only the Mount on which the Temple was built right ? I have never head Zion called a woman. It Maybe metaphorically called a woman in the bible, but it is the Holy Mount.

[angels4u]

Sister, you really need the Holy Spirit to guide you in ALL truth to understand the truth ,the first steps of a believer and follower of Christ are to accept Jesus for your sins and I know you did , but you need to realize that Jesus and the Holy Spirit who are guiding us in all truth ARE God. If you cannot or will not accept this Holy Trinity it will be very difficult to KNOW the truth.

Praying that you will study and pray about this because this is the key to understanding the Bible, only the Holy Spirit can show you the truth but you have to realize that the Holy Spirit is God.

Your teaching about the woman is not correct,the woman is Israel ,you are the only one with a different opinion about this..

 

[Bible_Gazer]

Zion is called the City of David also refers to Jerusalem

2 Samuel 5:7
 Nevertheless David took the strong hold of Zion: the same is the city of David.
 

2 Chronicles 3:1
 Then Solomon began to build the house of the LORD at Jerusalem in mount Moriah, where the LORD appeared unto David his father, in the place that David had prepared in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.

NT church

Hebrews 12:22-23
²²  But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
²³  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

[missmuffet]

6 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You do know Zion is only the Mount on which the Temple was built right ? I have never head Zion called a woman. It Maybe metaphorically called a woman in the bible, but it is the Holy Mount.

That is because Sister gives the words of the Bible her own interpretation and that is very dangerous.