Oneness claims that John 14:10 states that Jesus is God the Father

[Fridaywinds]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

To be one with another does not equate as being the very same person.  That is where Oneness goes wrong.  Oneness ignores the following scripture:

1 John 5:6-8

This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.  For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.  And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

Notice scripture tells us there are three entities, not one entity appearing as three different entities.

Oneness doctrine? I've never ascribed to such a thing. I go by the passages in the Bible and that is what tell me Jesus was God. God is a Spirit, God is One. All things come from God.

The angel told his mother that would be so when he told her what she was to name him, and what it would mean to those knowing Hebrew who heard the name. 

Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

 Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]

 Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

6. 2 KINGS 5:15 — And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.

 2 Kings 19:15 — And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.

 1 Chronicles 17:20 — O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

 Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

Psalm 18:31 — For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

 Psalm 86:10 — For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.

 Isaiah 37:16,20 — O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou has made heaven and earth. (20) Now therefore, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.

 Isaiah 43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he:before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

 Isaiah44:6,8 — Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

 Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.

Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.

Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.

 Joel 2:27 — And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

 Zechariah 14:9 — And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

 Mark 12:29-34 —And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

 John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

22. Romans 3:30 — Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

 Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

 Ephesians 4:6 — One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
 

[OneLight]

1 minute ago, Fridaywinds said:

Oneness doctrine? I've never ascribed to such a thing. I go by the passages in the Bible and that is what tell me Jesus was God. God is a Spirit, God is One. All things come from God.

The angel told his mother that would be so when he told her what she was to name him, and what it would mean to those knowing Hebrew who heard the name. 

Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

 Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]

 Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

6. 2 KINGS 5:15 — And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.

 2 Kings 19:15 — And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.

 1 Chronicles 17:20 — O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

 Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

Psalm 18:31 — For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

 Psalm 86:10 — For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.

 Isaiah 37:16,20 — O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou has made heaven and earth. (20) Now therefore, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.

 Isaiah 43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he:before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

 Isaiah44:6,8 — Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

 Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.

Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.

Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.

 Joel 2:27 — And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

 Zechariah 14:9 — And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

 Mark 12:29-34 —And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

 John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

22. Romans 3:30 — Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

 Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

 Ephesians 4:6 — One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
 

Yes, God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are one in ever way as they do not differ at all, but they are not one being, but three that are as one, since to know the Son you would know the Father.  How to you see the Trinity?

[Fridaywinds]

3 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Yes, God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are one in ever way as they do not differ at all, but they are not one being, but three that are as one, since to know the Son you would know the Father.  How to you see the Trinity?

I see it as something that was added as a term not actually arrived at in scripture.  There is one God. God is a Spirit. God is Holy. Therefore God is the Holy Spirit. 

God's spirit created once again as from the beginning, Jesus Christ in Mary's womb. He was son of man because he was flesh and bone. He was son of God because he carried within him what would eventually be sealed into the believers in him; the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus did his Father's will because his Father communicated that to him. He was fully human, he was as much of God as could be contained in human form. 

Jesus said, when you have seen me you have seen the Father. And he said, I and the Father are One. His very name was Immanuel, God with us. 

Jesus appeared as a man to deliver in person the will and word of God. When he was Baptized God's Holy Spirit appeared and the voice of Father spoke from Heaven saying, this is my Son in whom I am well pleased. Son of God. Created in the image and likeness of God. One God that is a Holy Spirit. Both did act according to God's will. 

[OneLight]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

To be one with another does not equate as being the very same person.  That is where Oneness goes wrong.  Oneness ignores the following scripture:

1 John 5:6-8

This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.  For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.  And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

Notice scripture tells us there are three entities, not one entity appearing as three different entities.

 

2 minutes ago, Fridaywinds said:

I see it as something that was added as a term not actually arrived at in scripture.  There is one God. God is a Spirit. God is Holy. Therefore God is the Holy Spirit. 

God's spirit created once again as from the beginning, Jesus Christ in Mary's womb. He was son of man because he was flesh and bone. He was son of God because he carried within him what would eventually be sealed into the believers in him; the Holy Spirit of God. Jesus did his Father's will because his Father communicated that to him. He was fully human, he was as much of God as could be contained in human form. 

Jesus said, when you have seen me you have seen the Father. And he said, I and the Father are One. His very name was Immanuel, God with us. 

Jesus appeared as a man to deliver in person the will and word of God. When he was Baptized God's Holy Spirit appeared and the voice of Father spoke from Heaven saying, this is my Son in whom I am well pleased. Son of God. Created in the image and likeness of God. One God that is a Holy Spirit. Both did act according to God's will. 

Then you do not agree with 1 John 5:6-8?  I am having a hard time understanding your theology as it sounds like you also believe Jesus was created.  Can you be more specific so I can understand what you believe?

[Fridaywinds]

16 minutes ago, OneLight said:

 

Then you do not agree with 1 John 5:6-8?  I am having a hard time understanding your theology as it sounds like you also believe Jesus was created.  Can you be more specific so I can understand what you believe?

It sounds like you aren't aware Jesus was born of Mary , a woman, by God's doing. He was created in her womb as scriptures tell us. Are you not aware of his origin?

I pray this may help your understanding of the origin of Immanuel. Matthew 1:18-25 

This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.¹⁹ Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

²⁰ But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. ²¹ She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus because he will save his people from their sins.”

²² All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: ²³ “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”  (which means “God with us”).

²⁴ When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. ²⁵ But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

Edited May 6, 2017 by Fridaywinds

[Limey_Bob]

2 hours ago, Fridaywinds said:

Matthew 1:23 proves Jesus was to be God the Father even before he was conceived upon his virgin mother. 

"The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" (which means "God with us").

Jesus, or Immanuel, himself said more than enough times to convince his fellows that he was also God the Father. In fact, it was that profession before the temple court that caused the Sadducee to want him crucified for the offense of blasphemy.

Look I am not being aggressive, I respect you Fridaywinds, but politely will you debate me on your claim that Jesus is God the Father?

[other one]

5 minutes ago, Fridaywinds said:

It sounds like you aren't aware Jesus was born of Mary , a woman, by God's doing. He was created in her womb as scriptures tell us. Are you not aware of his origin?

Sounds like you aren't aware that Jesus existed in the form of God before he was incarnated into Mary's womb.  He is/was not the Father, but he is the God that Moses knew and saw.

[other one]

Just now, Limey_Bob said:

Look I am not being aggressive, I respect you Fridaywinds, but politely will you debate me on your claim that Jesus is God the Father?

It is not possible that Jesus is the Father. 

[Kindle]

Just now, other one said:

It is not possible that Jesus is the Father. 

I agree.

[Limey_Bob]

6 minutes ago, other one said:

It is not possible that Jesus is the Father. 

No, Jesus and God the Father are two distinct persons of the one God, both are YHWH GOd, but the Father is not the Son. If you go to my YouTube channel: Christian Comedy Channel I have a Oneness Pentecostal (Apostolic) section, with many debates including several of my own. These Oneness Apostolics rarely debate Trinitarians now, becasue when they do, they always end up losing and looking foolish.