An unprecedented event: would you join this?

frienduff thaylorde · November 26, 2017

2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I don't think the idea of this thread is to watch.

It appears that the op was wanting Christians throughout the world to pray for Jesus to come so he would go ahead and come.

I havnt seen anything in this thread about anyone watching which is something Jesus commanded.

OH dear you aint the first to assume i have read something i have not . I have not read any of this thread . just a few posts and not the op.

A dear sister assumed this on another site too. I really am going to have to start reading , so as none will get confused and think i agree with something i don't.

be blessed.

Retrobyter · November 26, 2017

20 hours ago, listener24 said:

"knock and the door will be opened to you."

Imagine this unprecedented event.
Christians, from all over the world,
united physically in congregations,
united virtually through technology,
united spiritually in the Holy Ghost,
praying together with a clear, unified intention: shortening, hastening the Return of the Lord (Peter 3:12,
Revelation 22:20, Matthew 6:13)
Wouldn’t the Lord be quick, in fulfilling their holy prayer?

“[…] And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says.
And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting
them off? I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly.
However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”

This is not happening already, but we can make it happen.

SUMMARY

1 - Brief history of the Church
2 – God wants men to cooperate his plans
3 – The importance of prayer and the Lord’s prayer
4 – The Rapture
5 – While in the world
6 – Warnings
7 – Avoid misconceptions
8 – An unprecedented event

1 - Brief history of the Church

Along the history, many spiritual leaders did not listen to (Matthew 23:9-10)
“And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.”

Therefore, it comes as no surprise that many false teachings did spread for centuries. Nor it is a surprise that
true Christians come to a better understanding of some concepts through centuries, because luckily some of them
are able to get rid of the false teachings they have received. Indeed, luckily some listened to Matthew 23:9-10.

Moreover, Jesus said (John 16:12):
”I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he
will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.”

Thus, an increasing understanding, founded on the Gospels and never contradicting them, is to be expected
through history.

2 – God wants men to cooperate his plans

Even though God could do everything alone, by not waiting his followers to align their will to His will, still
he wants men to decide to cooperate with Him, to proceed in His salvation Plan.
For those who knows the Scriptures, it’s not needed to quote the countless times in which God waited for men
to turn to Him, and adhere His plan, before making things happen. Because being a loving Father, he doesn’t
force His will upon men.

3 – The importance of prayer and the Lord’s prayer

Point 2 on cooperation between God and men, is one of the reasons why Jesus stressed so much the importance
of prayer. To be short, we only quote some passages, but there are countless ones in the Gospels alone:
(Matthew 7:7)
“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.”
(John 16:24)
“Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.”

Of course, we need to make prayers aligned with God’s will. But even if something is already in God’s will,
it’s really important for us to pray for it, because the Lord don’t want to force his gifts upon us, but want
us to desire Him. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be any need for any prayer whatsoever.

Now, what’s the only prayer that the Lord directly taught us? The Lord’s prayer.
Let’s examine some passages:
“your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.”
[…]
“And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.”

Now, let’s think about it, by knowing the Scriptures. When and how can the Lord completely fulfill these
requests? Could they be fulfilled while we are still on earth?

4 – The Rapture

It doesn’t take a leap of imagination, to realize that the Lord’s prayer promises will be fully fulfilled only
with the Rapture and His Second Coming.
[Even the only apparently not messianic request about the “bread”, is translated somewhere as “the bread of
tomorrow”, thus indicating the bread of the Kingdom.]

Now, it’s not a purpose of this work to choose which interpretation of the Second Coming is more Scriptural.
Whatever it is, pre/post/multi/anti/tribulation,this is not the point here.

The point is that only in the Last Day, the Lord will fully fulfill the Lord’s prayer requests.

Now, are we aware of this? Are we, most Christians, praying that prayer with full intention and awareness,
with the awareness that we are asking the Lord, according to His will, to shorten the days of His coming?

It doesn’t seem like this awareness has been fully reached so far, but now the times may be arrived.
Now this intention can be shared to Christians all over the earth.

And it’s nothing new, it’s something fully Scriptural (Peter 3:12, Revelation 22:20, Matthew 6:13),
it’s just a better understanding of the power of our prayer in the name of Jesus.

We are not predicting the day or the hour, and we’ll never try to do it.

There is no needing of knowing the day nor the our, to ask the Lord to come quick, according to His will.

How powerful would be this prayer, shouted by all His elects?

What if some wise pastors could be able to share this intention to Christians all over the world, and all
together we could pray “Come”, and “Deliver us from evil”, with the full understanding that we are asking for
the Rapture, instead of passively waiting for it?

This would be an unprecedented event in History, since so far most Christians have passively waited for it

5 – While in the world

Asking for the rapture, doesn’t cut off any obligation for a true Christian life.
Before Jesus returns, we’ll still have the obligation to love everyone, serve other people, improve the
society, improve ourself, spread the Gospel. All of these commandments are in the Gospel and are immutable.
At the same time, with this prayer, we clarify our intention to God, we tell Him that we are ready, and it
is now time for our plans to align with His plans, and that we fully want and responsibly request His return
for the elects.

6 – Warnings

Unfortunately, there will always be some Christians who don’t really want the Lord to come soon. They are
not excited at all about Heaven. Exactly like in these Parables:

(Luke 14:15-20)
“When one of those at the table with him heard this, he said to Jesus, “Blessed is the one who will eat
at the feast in the kingdom of God.”
Jesus replied: “A certain man was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. At the time of the
banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, ‘Come, for everything is now ready.’ “But they
all alike began to make excuses. The first said, ‘I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please
excuse me.’ “Another said, ‘I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I’m on my way to try them out. Please
excuse me.’ “Still another said, ‘I just got married, so I can’t come.’

(Luke 19:14)
"But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.'

(John 12:43)
“For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.”

But other Christians who aspire to Heaven, would have no reason to not pray this prayer. In the worst case,
it will have no effect. In the best case, how glad we will be, to see the Lord coming quick for us.

7 – Avoid misconceptions

Q: “Does praying the Lord to come quick, mean that we don’t trust His promise that He will come?”
A: “Absolutely not. The Lord knew the future. He knew about the prayers from His elects, and that he wouldn’t
wait to fulfill them. Exactly as in countless other situations, in which the Lord has waited for men to ask Him
for what is good. (Matthew 15:21-28). We are sure that His promise will be fulfilled, but we want to be among the
ones that have aligned with His will and asked Him to fulfill it quickly.”

Q: “Are we forcing the Lord to do something not in His will? Doesn’t He know the Right Time?”
A: “He knows the Right Time, and we don’t know according to which criteria He has decided it. But maybe,
when He decided it, part of the weight for the decision, came from considering the prayers of His elects
(Peter 3:12, Revelation 22:20, Matthew 6:13, Luke 18:1-8). Exactly as in other situations, He gave importance
and weight to the will of his disciples and prophets, when aligned to His will”

Q: “Are Christians praying this prayer exempt to contribute to society, and to spend their lives serving
others until the Lord come?”
A: “Absolutely not. A real Christian will follow all Jesus words,not only ones about prayer,respect the
laws of his country, and will spend His life helping other people, so that when the Lord will come, he
will find him ready.” (Matthew 24:45-51)
“Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them
meat in due season?Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not
aware of,And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping
and gnashing of teeth.”

Q: “Will shortening the return of the Lord prevent some people from salvation?”
A: “First off, remember that there will never be a moment on earth in which everyone will be Christian,
before the rapture. It is not written anywhere. On the contrary, it is written about an increasingly
diminishing of faith. Moreover, people who haven’t met Christ but are seeking for the Truth in their hearts,
and are loving their brothers, will be likely raptured too.
Exactly as some other righteous people like Socrates, will be raised in the last day, while evil people who
are not seeking for repentance because they don’t have the seed of repentance in their hearts, will be left.
Therefore, there is no such risk in shortening the day. Otherwise, the Lord wouldn’t have taught us this prayer.”

Q:”What about theological and philosophical implications of the Rapture? Why someone is taken and someone
else left?”
A: “These are not treated here. They will be treated in other works, and some wise pastors will be able
to answer this, by following the Scriptures”

8 – An unprecedented event

If most Christian living today will share this intention, and pray together for it, this will be an
unprecedented even in the history of the world.
If the rapture happened centuries ago, it would have likely remained unexplained and not testified everywhere.
But nowadays, thanks to technologies and to the Gospel spread everywhere, it will be testified to people of
all nations, and everyone will know what happened.

Now, our hope is that some wise pastor, who spent his life in the hope of Jesus’ Return, will actively spread
this prayer and this intention among other pastors and Christians, so that all of us may be reunited under
the Lord’s prayer, and pray together, with full intention and understanding and without the usual countless
distractions and desires:

Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy Name,
thy kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.

Give us this day the bread of tomorrow.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those
who trespass against us.

And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.

Maranatha.
Our Lord, come!

maranatha.pdf

Shalom, listener24, and welcome!

You've forgotten a key ingredient. In fact, you ALL have forgotten the key ingredient! To whom was Yeshua` ("Jesus") speaking? If your goal is to hasten the Lord's return, you've got to remember what He said and to whom:

Matthew 23:37-39
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till (until) ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
KJV

And, His last sentence contains a quotation from Psalm 118:26:

Psalm 118:22-26
22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
23 This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.
25 Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.
26 Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.
KJV

The Hebrew of this phrase is "Baruwkh haba' b-shem YHWH."

Baruwkh = Blessed/Happy/Welcome
haba' = the-Comer
b-shem = in-[the]-name
YHWH = of-YHWH/of-the-LORD.

And, as I've explained in other threads, the words "Baruwkh haba'" appear in all the seaports and airports of Israel in the plural:

They are in their WELCOME signs! "Baruwkhiym haba'iym!" "Welcome, comers!" So, Yeshua` was talking to the Jews of Jerusalem and telling them that He wouldn't return until THEY could say, Welcome, Comer on the authority of YHWH!"

And, there's more!

Edited November 26, 2017 by Retrobyter

Retrobyter · November 26, 2017

Shalom, again, listener24.

Look again at Matthew 24:14:

Matthew 24:9-14
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
KJV

Quite frankly, this is NOT what people call the "gospel" today. It is the "gospel of the KINGDOM!" (And, "kingdom" is NOT a reference to the so-called "Church," either!) It's the same "gospel" to which Yeshua` referred throughout His "earthly ministry" of about 3.5 years:

Mark 1:14-15
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching (Greek: keerussoon = "heralding") the gospel (Greek: euaggelion = "good news" or "news about good things") of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand (Greek: eeggiken = "is within your grasp"): repent ye, and believe the gospel.
KJV

This happened very soon in Yeshua`s "earthly ministry" for it didn't take Herod long to lock up John the Baptist for Herodias' sake. Also, Yeshua` didn't have to EXPLAIN what this "gospel" was! The Jews to whom His ministry was extended already KNEW what it was:

Isaiah 52:7
7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
KJV

Furthermore, this is NOT the same "salvation" that is called "salvation" today! How many people at the beginning of Yeshua`s "earthly ministry" even KNEW He was going to die, let alone believed it, or accepted it? Kefa (Peter) sure didn't, even late in Yeshua`s "ministry":

Mark 8:29-33
29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ (the Messiah).
30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.
31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
32 And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan (Hebrew for "Enemy"): for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
KJV

So, how could this "gospel" be the "death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ," as is often used for the definition of "gospel?" And, no, this is not the "different gospel" that Paul warned about because this was the ORIGINAL gospel which Yeshua` heralded!

And, Paul, too, was referring to Yeshua`s gospel of the Kingdom in Romans 10:13:

Romans 10:8-15
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Joel 2:32.)
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! (Isaiah 52:7 listed above.)
KJV

And, to what does Joel 2:32 refer?

Joel 2:23-3:3
23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.
24 And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil.
25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.
26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
3 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them (will judge them) there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
KJV

THIS is the "salvation" or "deliverance" or "RESCUE" to which Paul was referring!

Therefore, ...

WE HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO PREACH THIS "GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM" TO WHICH YESHUA` WAS REFERRING IN MATTHEW 24!

Edited November 26, 2017 by Retrobyter

Psalms37:4 · November 26, 2017

23 hours ago, listener24 said: