The Measuring of the Temple

[Last Daze]

9 hours ago, Sister said:

 Revelation 11:2   But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The holy city is Zion.  Zion is where all the God fearing dwell.  It's not just one place, one area, but a spiritual place one comes for truth.

Hey Sister,

Thanks for the segue into v2.  I agree completely.  That's why John transitions seamlessly between the new covenant temple (body of Christ) and the holy city.

The Gentiles or "nations" was a term synonymous with the godless since God chose Abraham, etc.  The 42 month war against the saints is not a time for the measuring of the godless.

[Keras]

What decides the matter of whether there will be another Temple, is Ezekiel 40-48. These chapters remain to be fulfilled.

Jesus will Return to and reign from a new Temple, built before He comes. Haggai 2:7-9  The nations must come to it and worship the King. Zechariah 14:16-21, Micah 4:1-2

[Daniel 11:36]

Jesus will Return to and reign from a new Temple, built before He comes. Haggai 2:7-9  The nations must come to it and worship the King. Zechariah 14:16-21, Micah 4:1-2

 

Built after He comes, not before .... this is the millennial temple

[ghtan]

On 3/15/2018 at 3:29 AM, Last Daze said:

Ever since Jesus shed His blood on the cross, the new covenant began.  Central to new covenant teaching is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit for those who believe in Jesus.  Consequently, believers are referred to as the temple of God because He dwells within us through His Spirit.  Collectively, we as the body of Christ are His temple as well.  God’s temple is where He dwells.  Any reference to the temple of God during the time of the new covenant is a reference to the body of Christ, either corporately or to the individual members, because that’s where God dwells.

 

• Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, “Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it.”  Revelation 11:1

   

This is clearly a reference to the new testament understanding of “temple” because people are being measured.  This “measuring” correlates to the time when the two witnesses are sent, which is same time as the false prophet’s war against the saints, which is the same as the time of great distress.  What’s being measured is the temple of God (the body of Christ), the altar (the sacrifices being made) and those who worship in it (the individual believer).  The question is how is this measuring going to take place during that time?

 

John uses the word 'temple' several times in Revelation. All the other references up till ch 20 refer to God's temple in heaven. That is probably how it should also be understood in 11:1. It is likely to be the same temple later in v 19.  

[Last Daze]

On 3/17/2018 at 1:07 AM, ghtan said:

John uses the word 'temple' several times in Revelation. All the other references up till ch 20 refer to God's temple in heaven. That is probably how it should also be understood in 11:1. It is likely to be the same temple later in v 19.  

I'd be inclined to agree if it wasn't for 11:2.

[Daniel 11:36]

There is no temple of the Lord's on the earth in Revelation 11:2

 

11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months

[wingnut-]

3 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

There is no temple of the Lord's on the earth in Revelation 11:2

 

11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months

 

On 3/15/2018 at 5:19 PM, wingnut- said:

 

What's your take on II Thessalonians then?

 

II Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

 

Still waiting a response to this question?  Where is the anti-christ sitting?  What does this represent if not a physical temple?

[Daniel 11:36]

2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God

 

He will sit in the "temple of God", the Dome of the Rock .... the Muslim temple of God

 

 

[ghtan]

16 hours ago, Last Daze said:

I'd be inclined to agree if it wasn't for 11:2.

How do you interpret 11:2?

[Last Daze]

On 3/22/2018 at 12:05 AM, ghtan said:

How do you interpret 11:2?

• Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, “Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it. 2  Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months."  Revelation 11:1-2

The forty-two months is the time that the false prophet wages war against the saints per Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:5.