JimmyB Posted July 16, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,628 Content Per Day: 1.16 Reputation: 304 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/23/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2023 56 minutes ago, B Judson said: The Father never went out to look for him! There's no evidence of that in Jesus' teaching. And the Father was not supporting him in any way either. (wasn't sending money or people out to look for him) He wanted the son to come back and waited for the son to come back... but since the son decided on his own to leave, it's the son's responsibility to decide to come back. The son was not just a lost sheep... he made the conscience decision to leave the Father and the Father let him go The father was looking for him. If you don't understand the meaning of the word it means directing one's gaze toward someone or something or in a specified direction, which is exactly what the father was doing. You must be young, since you equate supporting someone with going after them and/or giving the money. Of course, the text doesn't address that; it is in your mind. And you write "He wanted the son to come back and waited for the son to come back... but since the son decided on his own to leave, it's the son's responsibility to decide to come back " and "he made the conscience decision to leave the Father and the Father let him go". Oh really? Why state the obvious? It concerns me that you have missed some of the key points of the parable. Look for them, then we can discuss the subject further. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Judson Posted July 16, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 145 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/10/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2023 Luke 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. Jesus specifically said... the prodigal son was dead while he was away having turned his back on the Father. During this time, this guy was not saved and did not have the life of the Father in him. He was lost! What part of what Jesus said would you like to deny? The Father had expectation and the hope that his son would return and in this sense yes he was looking for his son. There is NO evidence in scripture showing the Father (who was a wealthy man) sent people out to search for his son! There's NO evidence that the Father himself traveled around looking for his son! Your eisegisis is failing you badly now... you cannot read in to scripture things the scripture does not say - unless of course you are one of those adherents to the false calvinist / reformed theology teachings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 16, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,857 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2023 5 hours ago, B Judson said: Wow! Thanks! This means I can go back to getting drunk, chasing women, and living in all the sin I want and still go to Heaven! I don't mind that my mansion in Heaven may be smaller than others because I lived like the devil.... Glad you set me straight and shared "the truth" which makes it clear I can go live in sin like the world and still be saved! It seems you missed part of that person's post you quoted. Quote What is more accurate in scripture is that one is saved with the life of God in them eternally. If one is saved with the life of God in them (Holy Spirit) they would never do as you say here, and you know it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Judson Posted July 16, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 145 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 38 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/10/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2023 (edited) And yet we see lots of folks out there doing grevious sin before the Lord... and they claim to be Christians and you claim the Holy Spirit is dwelling in them... Obviously you do not believe Romans 8 among other passages. Quote It seems you missed part of that person's post you quoted. No, "consequences for the believer" who turns their back on God to go do sin is... separation from God, they die spiritually! You cannot abide IN Christ and do sin at the same time. In the end, you believe that once a person is born again they will end up in Heaven no matter if they live like the devil... and that is satanic doctrine! Edited July 16, 2023 by B Judson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted July 22, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted July 22, 2023 On 4/9/2018 at 9:55 PM, KiwiChristian said: PAPAL INFALLIBILITY (declared in 1870 AD). Definition: When a pope is speaking in his official position on any issue of faith or morals, he is speaking infallibly, meaning without error. Answer: The apostles never regarded any man to be infallible. Only the Word of God is regarded as without error. If Peter was pope, which the Bible says he was not, then he made mistakes as in Galatians 2:11-14 when he was deceived by Judaizers. "But when Peter came to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed." The following events from history show the error of papal infallibility. 1. Pope John XII, in the "Liber Pontificalis," the Catholic publication discussing the lives of the popes, states that "He spent his entire life in adultery." 2. Popes Innocent III, Gregory XI, Clement IV, Hadrian VI, and Paul IV all disagreed with papal infallibility. 3. Pope Stephen VI (896) had the dead pope Formosus (891-6) tried, questioned, fingers hacked off, dragged through Rome and thrown into the Tiber river. 4. Pope Hadrian II (867) declared civil marriage to be valid, but Pope Pius VII (1800-23) declared it to be invalid. 5. Pope Eugene IV (1431) had Joan of Arc burned alive as a witch, but later Pope Benedict IV in 1919 declared her to be a saint. 6. Pope Pius XI in 1929 endorsed Fascism and called Mussolini "a man sent by God." However, before World War II, he warned people against Mussolini. 7. The Vatican advised the German Catholic Party to vote for Nazi candidates. In 1933, the Vatican and Hitler signed a concordat, where the Catholic church swore allegiance to the Nazi government. Later on Pope Pius XI condemned Hitler. How can a supposedly infallible man make so many errors of judgment, and even contradict other so-called infallible popes? Surely this disproves papal infallibility to any honest, open minded person. Poor judgement does not negate, infallibility when it comes to declaring doctrine. Solmon was the wisest man alive and yet he made many errors in judgement. Practicing Church disaplenie is not declaring doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted July 22, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted July 22, 2023 skipped to here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all hearts rejoice Posted July 27, 2023 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 16 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/14/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2023 Does not the entire premise of Papal Infallibility demonstrate a display of circular reasoning. who or what decides exactly what teachings, doctrines and comments are truly delegated from the chair of St Peter what is it that suddenly enthrones or dethrones the Vatican Primates from this chair - from one second to the next ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Marsh Posted July 28, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 126 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,086 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 500 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/15/1956 Share Posted July 28, 2023 7 hours ago, all hearts rejoice said: Does not the entire premise of Papal Infallibility demonstrate a display of circular reasoning. who or what decides exactly what teachings, doctrines and comments are truly delegated from the chair of St Peter what is it that suddenly enthrones or dethrones the Vatican Primates from this chair - from one second to the next ? I am guessing Counsels of Bishops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boy Stan Murf Posted August 31, 2023 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,027 Content Per Day: 4.80 Reputation: 279 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted August 31, 2023 On 4/9/2018 at 8:55 PM, KiwiChristian said: The Vatican advised the German Catholic Party to vote for Nazi candidates. In 1933, the Vatican and Hitler signed a concordat, where the Catholic church swore allegiance to the Nazi government. And... the same thing will happen when the anti-christ gets here. Many of these end times guys think the catholics pope will be the false prophet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 31, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,128 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,857 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 31, 2023 8 hours ago, Stan Murff said: And... the same thing will happen when the anti-christ gets here. Many of these end times guys think the catholics pope will be the false prophet. I know some catholics who think he will be the antichrist. Something to do with the catholic prophecy of the Popes. I never could put the two together, but we all have our ideas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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