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On 4/23/2018 at 6:05 AM, Hidden In Him said:

Greetings in Christ! And blessings to everyone who reads this thread.

In the last month or so I have come across three separate dreams that all point in the same direction: Violence may be coming to Christians in the United States in the foreseeable future. These three dreams I will post in succession in this thread. I am not necessarily seeking responses so much as simply posting it as a type of prophetic warning for those who might be effected. This will be something the church in the West is not accustomed to, so the more those who will be involved are warned in advance, the more they will be prepared to deal with it without losing faith or hope in Christ in the midst of it.

Should anyone have any questions, they can post me here or privately.

Dream #1 (posted three weeks ago, at another Forum I occasionally frequent):

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"I woke up this morning to this very vivid dream - as if I was right there.  It was dreary (either dawn or dusk in a snowy/freezing rain/wet and potentially icy roads scene).  I can't remember seeing anything so clearly in person and I don't watch scary movies for thrills and didn't have a late night snack that might make me have a dream like this.  I am asking you for any insights God may give you.  The young man appeared in color, though I really only noticed his head and the amputated left arm with freshly exposed flesh in color.

DREAM:  I am driving down the road. I forget where I was going - maybe home - but it certainly felt like it was something that was a regular routine.  An alert came on my phone about BLOOD in the area.  I had never seen a warning like that before on my phone.  Then, a map popped up and the "blood" was on the entry ramp to the highway that I was about to get on.  I pulled over and got out of the car.  Others had pulled over, too, and some were ahead of me on the scene trying to help.  Yet, I yelled "I'm calling 911." three times as I was dialing.  Then this young man came to me (all of the sudden and out of seemingly out of nowhere) with his left arm completely chopped off about a few inches below the shoulder.and said in an eerily calm voice: "You need to take me to the hospital now."  It didn't even appear that he was dripping blood (like it would need a torniquet), it was just open flesh.  I didn't even notice a bone just open flesh.  So, I yelled down the road I had been on "Does anyone know how to put a torniquet on?"  three times I yelled the same thing with no reply.  Then, I was going to be taking him and wondering  how I was going to get a policeman's attention on the way since I was in an insufficient vehicle to drive as fast as I felt I needed to in order to get the young man to the hospital.  The reason I felt that was it had recently snowed and the roads were wet and potentially icey and I was driving our rear-wheel drive car (which is not very safe to drive fast in icey conditions).

I woke up to that dream at shortly after 5 AM this morning.

Thoughts?"

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My interpretation for him was as follows:

"Greetings...

I believe your dream is a serious one, and a warning that violence may be coming to Christians in America in the foreseeable future. The symbolism breaks down piece by piece as follows:

- Dreary, potentially icy roads/ unsafe traveling conditions = The road some Christians and Christians ministries in the US will be traveling in the future will be a violent one, “unsafe” for the flesh.
- You feel you are “driving home” = Sufferings are the path Christians have traditionally taken to get “home,” i.e. to Heaven, and it will be so again here.
- “It felt like a regular routine” = This suggests the regular routine of the modern church is going to be broken. The modern church has had it easy (at least in the West) until relatively recently, making the violent attacks that will be coming seem like something “new.” But the fact is, persecution and affliction have always been a part of life for believers since New Testament times. As Paul once told Timothy, “all who live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.” (2 Timothy 3:12)
- Phone = Messages coming through a phone usually represent receiving prophetic warnings from God, and this is the case here as well. This entire dream is essentially a message to you that violent attacks are going to be coming to believers. You “received” this message on your “phone” when you received this dream.
- “Blood in the Area” = “in the area” here is taken to mean the US, though it may also refer to attacks in your area specifically. But keep in mind, the early stages of this dream’s fulfillment might start happening soon, but the greater likelihood is that this will take place in coming years and decades, not weeks or months.
- Highway = An expression for taking the “highway” to Heaven, which involves “suffering unto blood” (Hebrews 12:4). The “ramp” leading to this highway is afflictions, as indicated by the blood in that area specifically.
- Cars “pull over” and try to help = Cars refer to ministries in dreams, and that they will “pull over” (i.e. from their normal ministry functions) means that they will be redirecting their efforts towards helping the afflicted once this phenomenon starts becoming more common.
- No answer from 911 = These attacks will no longer be stopped by human authority. This is rather frightening, but it is what appears to be represented here. But again, understand that this will be ordained of God, since believers are ultimately appointed to it (1 Thessalonians 3:3).
- A man says, “You need to take me to the hospital now” in eerily calm voice = Suggests he will be resigned to it. This may be due to a certain feeling of helplessness among believers in coming years. It appears they will feel there is no way to stop it, which again would make sense if the authorities are turning more of a blind eye. The “hospital” here would be deliverance from such conditions.
- Man appears suddenly, with his arm chopped off = Islamic terrorism... While the attacks will probably come from a variety of sources, Islam may in all likelihood become the dominant one eventually. Islam is a religion of the sword, and an arm being "chopped off" is indicative of a sword wound. But now please don’t misunderstand. This should not be taken as literally describing the types of weapons that will use; only the source behind where these attacks will in all likelihood be coming from: Islamic terrorist cells operating within the US. This may seem like a reach on such a scanty symbolic reference, but I know of other prophecies that suggest Islam is going to bring terrorism to US shores eventually. And again, what makes terrorism so frightening is that it comes “out of nowhere.”
- Arm not dripping blood = Tricky, but after prayer I sensed this points to how the man’s blood had already fallen “in the area,” i.e. into the ground. Scripture says that the martyrdom of the saints often results in their blood “calling out from the ground,” meaning that the area itself will call out to God for judgment against the oppressors. This would make it yet another suggestion that those who appeal to the authorities and get little help from them, and have no choice but to turn to God for deliverance.
- No reply to “Does anyone know how to put on a tourniquet?” = Tourniquets prevent blood flow, with the suggestion here that the church will be helpless to prevent blood loss from occurring. It will have already occurred, and trying to stop the coming persecution will be futile.
- Not able to get to a hospital fast = This means that this coming time of persecution and affliction is going to last for a good while, before anything resembling “healing” comes.

... Let me know if you have any thoughts on this interpretation.

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The other two dreams I received were from members here at Worthy; one posted publicly, and the other sent to me in private. The one in private suggests one of the reasons why authorities may increasingly fail to come to the aid of persecuted Christians in this country is that the next two Presidential terms following Trump's stay in office may usher in wicked people who secretly serve the kingdom of darkness (as Hillary Clinton does). This, combined with an increased social climate of hatred towards Christians in general will be what eventually leads to an entirely different spiritual climate in this country in coming years.

I will post the other two dreams at a later time.*

In Christ,

Hidden

*Please note: The other two dreams are posted on pages 2 and 3 respectively.

  

 

I'll respond here, even though I clicked from the other site. I do believe in dreams and visions. When I hear the details of dreams, or have them, myself, I usually have the interpretation if it is a prophetic dream, but not by deciphering what objects mean, like cell phones. I know there are classes on this, but I've never thought much about them. As for this one, I'll let you know if I get anything. But yours seems logical, knowing the signs of the time.

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2 minutes ago, Philadelphianlady said:

I usually have the interpretation if it is a prophetic dream, but not by deciphering what objects mean, like cell phones. I know there are classes on this, but I've never thought much about them.

If by "never thought much about them" you mean never thought they were all that good, then yes. From what I see of most dream interpretation instructional videos and such, most don't impress me very much. I never took classes anywhere. I just started operating in it. But if by it you meant never thought much about taking any, I wouldn't advise it. They charge money, and they're not all that great in my opinion. I personally think the need to stick their hand out wanting to be reimbursed is precisely the problem.

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4 minutes ago, Hidden In Him said:

If by "never thought much about them" you mean never thought they were all that good, then yes. From what I see of most dream interpretation instructional videos and such, most don't impress me very much. I never took classes anywhere. I just started operating in it. But if by it you meant never thought much about taking any, I wouldn't advise it. They charge money, and they're not all that great in my opinion. I personally think the need to stick their hand out wanting to be reimbursed is precisely the problem.

No, what I mean is "this" equals "that" referring to specifics: snakes only represent this, and babies only represent that. It is not fool proof, and if one makes it a formula, then anyone can come up with an interpretation based on the objects, and not even have the Holy Spirit. For instance, if our formula said, blood only means violence, when the Spirit could mean protection by the blood, then we miss His interpretation. Not saying that is the case here. So in what manner did you receive the interpretation? By the objects, or by the Spirit. I imagine Spirit, but only you know.

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5 minutes ago, Philadelphianlady said:

No, what I mean is "this" equals "that" referring to specifics: snakes only represent this, and babies only represent that. It is not fool proof, and if one makes it a formula, then anyone can come up with an interpretation based on the objects, and not even have the Holy Spirit. For instance, if our formula said, blood only means violence, when the Spirit could mean protection by the blood, then we miss His interpretation. Not saying that is the case here.

Yes, and this is one of the main problems. Context determines meaning, yet there is a tendency towards using "dream dictionaries" and systematic interpretations.

7 minutes ago, Philadelphianlady said:

So in what manner did you receive the interpretation? By the objects, or by the Spirit. I imagine Spirit, but only you know.

Both, if I understand you right. There is a logic to things in their context, just as when you're interpreting the scriptures. But it takes the Spirit of God to interpret them properly.

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7 minutes ago, Hidden In Him said:

Yes, and this is one of the main problems. Context determines meaning, yet there is a tendency towards using "dream dictionaries" and systematic interpretations.

Both, if I understand you right. There is a logic to things in their context, just as when you're interpreting the scriptures. But it takes the Spirit of God to interpret them properly.

 

Yes, I watched a secular show once on dream interpretation. Heard the dream, and then the experts interpretation based on the objects in the dream. Their interpretation had nothing to do with the context of the dream.

 

Then another told their dream, with the same objects, and the expert used the rote interpretation as the first, yet didn't make sense.

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11 minutes ago, Philadelphianlady said:

 

Yes, I watched a secular show once on dream interpretation. Heard the dream, and then the experts interpretation based on the objects in the dream. Their interpretation had nothing to do with the context of the dream.

Then another told their dream, with the same objects, and the expert used the rote interpretation as the first, yet didn't make sense.

And this is why most tend to just spot check only certain parts of a dream. They "think" they know what "this" means, so they throw that out there, but rarely try addressing the rest. And it's only when you can put the whole package together into a coherent interpretation that you have something worth presenting. Some will argue, of course, that the whole thing is just nonsense, but that's usually coming from the lazy types, who don't have the wherewithal to even attempt to interpret them at all. 

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2 minutes ago, Hidden In Him said:

And this is why most tend to just spot check only certain parts of a dream. They "think" they know what "this" means, so they throw that out there, but rarely try addressing the rest. And it's only when you can put the whole package together into a coherent interpretation that you have something worth presenting. Some will argue, of course, that the whole thing is just nonsense, but that's usually coming from the lazy types, who don't have the wherewithal to even attempt to interpret them at all. 

I don't actually attempt to interpret dreams. I know when a dream is prophetic, and the interpretation comes with it. I also know when its pizza.

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This is scary. The us church is soft. I am seeing many Christians being transformed before our eyes. In those saints I would loosely call this a ‘souped up or divinely expedited sanctification’.

Back in 2005 I had a few prophecies which seemed to be about ‘end time’ persecution in US. In that respect there is agreement. The difference is that the Lord seemed to be giving a two phase declaration.

That was that the time of ‘prophetic voices’ that would not be silenced in the face of evil and corruption resulting in much persecution would be preceded  by the beginning of a time of repentance, glorifying the Lord and generally a time of awakening.

After not speaking to me in that way for a number of years, the focus as of 2015 and now seems to be getting us ready for that time. I do believe that repentence, increase in prayer and a change in focus from self to Christ and glorifying Him will precede...

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Violence will always come to God’s people, “And from the time John the Baptist began preaching until now, the Kingdom of Heaven has been forcefully advancing, and violent people are attacking it.” (Matthew 11:12). Especially when the Beast comes (Revelation 13:7, 14:12). 

However, will we see violence towards the Church in America sooner than later? Probably not yet, not long as the nation is fixated on political and ethnic divides. Although it is possible that the RCC might receive some iconoclasm and even attacks on priests over the latest report ousting misconduct and abuses. 

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Well, I am convinced that the seeds have already been planted for future violence against the Ekklesia.  It is there in the culture right now.  Tolerance is extended to every bizarre group out there, but not Christians.  Christians are expected to be tolerant to the point of disassociating themselves from their convictions.  If one holds to some sort of biblical or moral standard, then you are a racist, bigot, homophobe, or whatever they dream up.  You are to be ridiculed and marginalized.  That is the first step. From there, it just goes downhill.  

It starts with the idea that Christians should be marginalized.  Then it leads to Christians should not live among them or be outcasts.  It eventually leads to the idea that Christians should not live. 

Hang on.  The ride is going to get bumpy.

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