Good Deeds

[Who me]

16 hours ago, vlad said:

If you do not agree to faith and good deeds as equal then would you agree that they are inseparable? Take faith as HEART and good works as BLOOD. One does not exist without the other.

I believe that every Christian who is serious about serving /following Jesus does 'good deeds'.

Whether they are in seperable , put it this way. I know of a Christian who through illness has spent the last twenty years immobile in bed, unable to get up, stand loud noises, strong smells etc.

They cannot do 'good deeds' so are they a good Christian?

This Christian has prayed faithfully for years for other Christians. I would say that it depends how 'good deeds' are defined.

[vlad]

2 hours ago, Who me said:

I believe that every Christian who is serious about serving /following Jesus does 'good deeds'.

Whether they are in seperable , put it this way. I know of a Christian who through illness has spent the last twenty years immobile in bed, unable to get up, stand loud noises, strong smells etc.

They cannot do 'good deeds' so are they a good Christian?

This Christian has prayed faithfully for years for other Christians. I would say that it depends how 'good deeds' are defined.

God never asks what is impossible. Good works are expected according to the talent, abilities and so on (what is given). That sick person is alright. We are talking about the majority of the people. Now look at this:

Which Is a Greater Risk of not being Saved?  We have two interpretations at the moment.

Interpretation 1: Faith alone or Faith + 0;

Interpretation 2: Faith + Good Works.

Let us assume that Faith in both interpretations is the same as we have no reliable method to measure individual Faith.

Now let us apply a matrix " My Interpretation is Not Correct. But I Have My Followers and I had insisted that they stick to it (The Opposite Interpretation  Is Correct)” to each interpretation in turn. Let us begin with Interpretation 2

In this case ( Interpretation 2) Faith remains and there is still a possibility and a chance to be pardoned and saved.

With Interpretation 1 it is not that simple. The unit “Good works” is missing. There would have been a chance to be pardoned and saved but the  proponent had insisted on his Followers to accept Faith+0. And many of them encouraged by the proponent performed Zero or next to zero Good works (could have done much much more). This is hardly pardonable. And  for the proponent the chance of being saved  in this case is next to Zero or Zero.

Edited March 29, 2019 by vlad

[Blood Bought 1953]

 

sorry, but Huh?

[OneLight]

First we have justification - saved by grace through faith, justified by the work on the cross completed by Jesus

Then comes sanctification - as we are changed into His image, good works is a result of such change

Ending in Glorification - what happens to us after death as we are caught up to be with the Lord

If you would like scripture, I can provide it, but I believe you know what I am saying.

[Behold]

On 3/29/2019 at 3:08 AM, Who me said:

I believe that every Christian who is serious about serving /following Jesus does 'good deeds'.

Whether they are in seperable , put it this way. I know of a Christian who through illness has spent the last twenty years immobile in bed, unable to get up, stand loud noises, strong smells etc.

They cannot do 'good deeds' so are they a good Christian?

This Christian has prayed faithfully for years for other Christians. I would say that it depends how 'good deeds' are defined.

 

Where Christians become confused regarding OSAS and WORKS, regarding what they think is a conflict..... is really just the simple result of not being taught correct Pauline Theology/Doctrine.

The fact is, everything we as the born again know about (who, how, why), regarding Salvation, came from one Apostle....and this isn't James or Matthew..... Its Paul.

And the other issue that many believers have, is that they are  convinced that doing stuff for God (works), is some sort of supplement to the Blood of Christ.

This is Because they have been taught to think of salvation as The Cross + Works = Heaven, so,  they run around trying to save themselves, instead of relying totally on the One who ALREADY SAVED THEM.

They absolutely cannot understand that Salvation, when it is applied to you, is a one time eternal situation, and it is never repeated,.. and.... it can't be kept by you, and you can't lose it....and this is because you have nothing do to with it.

And where THIS confusion generally has its roots is when a believer believes that "faith" saves you.

So, that is one more error in theology that is believed by many who have become legalists and run around thinking that works has anything and everything to do with your salvation (The Redemption).

Let me for the sake of those who don't understand that FAITH does not save you,.......explain it.......... "Faith, allows GOD to SAVE YOU.....Its is GOD who saved you, because you did what He accepted, to do it for you, for FREE.

You gave Him, at some point, your faith, and at that MONENT HE gave YOU< His Righteousness, that was offered on the Cross, as the BLOOD ATONEMENT.

So, God SAVED, through faith, ONCE, when he accepted it, and that was the moment you were born again........and nothing can change this......ever.

 

"well what about works'.   .Well, before i show you,.. those who are working to save yourself, let me ask you this....  What works are you doing now, that you could have also done before you were saved?

A.) ALL OF THEM.

 

Every work, good deed, whatever, that you are doing, is the same that you could have done, BEFORE YOU WERE SAVED......SO, did they save you?...........NO !.

So, what can't save you, (works), can't cause you not to be saved, once you are saved.

Understand?

Think on that.

 

Lastly........ Where many believers have not understood their salvation is when they also dont understand the distinction between Salvation and Discipleship.  And what many do, in error, is try to combine them FOR Salvation, but, they are not the same.

SALVATiON is God, thru the Blood of Christ, accepting you, because you gave Him the requirement.....Your faith, and NOT YOUR WORKS.  "not by works of righteousness".......remember that verse?

So, AFTER you are saved............you attempt to live a certain type of lifestyle....= your Discipleship, but, this does not save you........none of these works....as you are ALREADY SAVED and that is why you should be doing them.

Edited March 30, 2019 by Behold

[Hands On]

While churches must "grow" but I believe it better to have members saved by the "truth in Christ"(Jn 14:7) as would interpret as "quality Christians" who both "hears and puts into practice"(N.I.V.Mt 7:24), what Christ commands.Sure its great to preach to an "audience in a packed house" i.e.quantity,but if most of the folks are not really being taught the truth of Christ but merely there for the awesome experience,then they might just as well go and have an awesome experience watching The Rolling Stones for example.(Although I still like The Stones and Beatles and all).We should not be blinded by the modern trend that all teaching must go with entertainment.(see, "What is The Church Growth Movement?gotquestions.org ).Of course there are financial realities that a church must endure,but not at the cost of selling out the truth in Christ and Christianity and how  Christians are to conduct themselves as Disciples in all walks of their daily lives.

See also Revelation Chapter 3 how Christ sees Churches,which is the most important of all factors,even if these "truth" are bitter pills to swallow at this stage

[Who me]

On 29 March 2019 at 10:21 AM, vlad said:

God never asks what is impossible. Good works are expected according to the talent, abilities and so on (what is given). That sick person is alright. We are talking about the majority of the people. Now look at this:

Which Is a Greater Risk of not being Saved?  We have two interpretations at the moment.

Interpretation 1: Faith alone or Faith + 0;

Interpretation 2: Faith + Good Works.

Let us assume that Faith in both interpretations is the same as we have no reliable method to measure individual Faith.

Now let us apply a matrix " My Interpretation is Not Correct. But I Have My Followers and I had insisted that they stick to it (The Opposite Interpretation  Is Correct)” to each interpretation in turn. Let us begin with Interpretation 2

In this case ( Interpretation 2) Faith remains and there is still a possibility and a chance to be pardoned and saved.

With Interpretation 1 it is not that simple. The unit “Good works” is missing. There would have been a chance to be pardoned and saved but the  proponent had insisted on his Followers to accept Faith+0. And many of them encouraged by the proponent performed Zero or next to zero Good works (could have done much much more). This is hardly pardonable. And  for the proponent the chance of being saved  in this case is next to Zero or Zero.

I am sorry that you want to be able to brag to God about how you deserve to be in heaven and about how honoured God must be to have you in his family.

I am miss understanding you? No just appling biblical principals. We are saved by Gods grace and mercy. Our good deeds are **** stained rags in Gods sight. ( sorry for the crudity )

As Saved souls we show that we love God by being obedient to his commands and that means loving the unlovely, but we know that all we are doing is serving God.

We contribute nothing to our salvation, we add nothing to our status before God.

We should view our good deeds in the same way as little children helping dad wash the car, getting very wet and spreading water every were with very little going on the car.

[vlad]

2 hours ago, Who me said:

I am sorry that you want to be able to brag to God about how you deserve to be in heaven and about how honoured God must be to have you in his family.

I am miss understanding you? No just appling biblical principals. We are saved by Gods grace and mercy. Our good deeds are **** stained rags in Gods sight. ( sorry for the crudity )

As Saved souls we show that we love God by being obedient to his commands and that means loving the unlovely, but we know that all we are doing is serving God.

We contribute nothing to our salvation, we add nothing to our status before God.

We should view our good deeds in the same way as little children helping dad wash the car, getting very wet and spreading water every were with very little going on the car.

You say: "I am sorry that you want to be able to brag to God about how you deserve to be in heaven and about how honoured God must be to have you in his family." That is too much. This Is a False Accusation. I have never been sure about myself. I was not writing about myself at all. What I wrote was just an idea generally. A good advice to you. Never accuse a person like when you mentioned me (you .....). People should not be offended personally Discuss possible sins and advise on how to get rid of them. Did I accuse anyone personally? I try to be careful about that. Do you?

Edited April 1, 2019 by vlad

[Who me]

23 hours ago, vlad said:

You say: "I am sorry that you want to be able to brag to God about how you deserve to be in heaven and about how honoured God must be to have you in his family." That is too much. This Is a False Accusation. I have never been sure about myself. I was not writing about myself at all. What I wrote was just an idea generally. A good advice to you. Never accuse a person like when you mentioned me (you .....). People should not be offended personally Discuss possible sins and advise on how to get rid of them. Did I accuse anyone personally? I try to be careful about that. Do you?

 

Sorry I posted far to strong a reaction/reply.

[vlad]

2 hours ago, Who me said:

 

Sorry I posted far to strong a reaction/reply.

That O.K., brother. God bless you.