Question about Homosexuality

[Leyla]

Why is the desire to be with the person you love or to be intimate with that person, a sin? Is homosexuality just dead weight that some people have to carry around their entire life?

[Who me]

1 hour ago, Leyla said:

Why is the desire to be with the person you love or to be intimate with that person, a sin? Is homosexuality just dead weight that some people have to carry around their entire life?

Are there rules in life, or is it acceptable to do what one wants regardless of any rules?

Are you happy applying 'it is good to be with the one you love' to peodophiles?

Are God's laws totally irrelevent?

[Leyla]

9 minutes ago, Who me said:

Are there rules in life, or is it acceptable to do what one wants regardless of any rules?

Are you happy applying 'it is good to be with the one you love' to peodophiles?

Are God's laws totally irrelevent?

Reading that confirms my understanding of it, that its just a cross some people have to carry. A predisposition they were born with, or something they aquired with their life, that they cant change or influence. It sounds very unfair to me, that the things you feel in your heart are worth less, or considered bad, just because the feelings are towards someone your own gender.

[Who me]

2 hours ago, Leyla said:

Reading that confirms my understanding of it, that its just a cross some people have to carry. A predisposition they were born with, or something they aquired with their life, that they cant change or influence. It sounds very unfair to me, that the things you feel in your heart are worth less, or considered bad, just because the feelings are towards someone your own gender.

I can't see how my reply can confirm that being lgbt is something one is born with.

But as you ignored how peodophiles want to be with the one they 'love' you are not talking about my reply.

 

Right or wrong has nothing to do with ones feelings, but about ones intention or actions. Wanting to murder someone because of hatred is as bad, spiritual speaking, as murdering them.

[Leyla]

1 hour ago, Who me said:

I can't see how my reply can confirm that being lgbt is something one is born with.

But as you ignored how peodophiles want to be with the one they 'love' you are not talking about my reply.

 

Right or wrong has nothing to do with ones feelings, but about ones intention or actions. Wanting to murder someone because of hatred is as bad, spiritual speaking, as murdering them.

I did not talk about the comparison with peodophiles because i thought it deserves a seperated thread. Living out pedophilia hurts innocent people, homosexuality between consenting adult does not. Wanting to murder people is a very destructive urge, I dont see how homosexuality can even come close to that. Comparing intimancy with people from your own gender, with physicaly or mentally hurting innocent people is simply out of proportions 

Edited April 13, 2019 by Leyla
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[BeauJangles]

3 hours ago, Who me said:

I can't see how my reply can confirm that being lgbt is something one is born with.

But as you ignored how peodophiles want to be with the one they 'love' you are not talking about my reply.

Right or wrong has nothing to do with ones feelings, but about ones intention or actions. 

What is tragic, is the indoctrination of the LGBT community's 'brain washing' tactics, and how they convince the vulnerable into thinking they were simply "born that way" and that God "made them to be" etc. etc. And Even twisting the scriptures, such as David and Jonathan's love for one another into being more than what it was. This just goes on and on, sadly. 

Pedophilia on the other hand, is a whole different category of perversity, that is not primarily in the same sex abuse situation. Victims of this sort of thing, can carry such guilt as to thinking they could be gay as a result of their experience(s) of being abused. Also a tragic thing, psychologically damaging, and leading  towards continual lifetime problems. 

I think I've said enough on this topic. However, there are Christian ministries for both of these groups, and have been known to make tremendous strides in healing past and present struggles. It's no easy battle. God bless. 

Shalom, 

David/BeauJangles

Edited April 13, 2019 by BeauJangles

[Omegaman 3.0]

7 hours ago, Leyla said:

Why is the desire to be with the person you love or to be intimate with that person, a sin? Is homosexuality just dead weight that some people have to carry around their entire life?

Well, there are a couple of ways of understanding your question, so I will briefly address both, and I think the answers will reveal how I see two possible questions., or two ways to understand the question.

The first way is simple. Why is it a sin? Sin is falling short of God's perfection, or disobeying God's revealed will. If God said don't eat that fruit, it would be a sin to eat the fruit. There is no discussion, nor relevancy to how one feels about eating the fruit. It is sin to disobey, and sin has consequences. Solution is, don't eat the fruit, accept God's will, for as our creator, He is sovereign and has every right to make demands. If we were to chose to find something more important that God, or to act in ways that demonstrate that God is less important to us, that whatever we choose to interrupt our relationship with God, then we have made an idol of that thing. God calls us to be His, and as a God who Himself wants intimacy with His people, and has indeed, given them their being and their needs, He has every right to be jealous, even more so that our other "lovers" who have done almost nothing for us, in comparison.

If you question is not so much why is it a sin, but why does God see it as a sin, that might be harder to answer, because God does not always fill us in on the details of why He does things. He has His ways, and His will, and that should be sufficient for us. We may want, but we do not need, to know why.

Now, we do see that God created man, and created a counterpart of an opposite gender, and the two were intended to be fruitful and multiply. That is one aspect of our being, it is our nature, it is what our body parts were designed to do. A key fits a lock. Two keys do not function interactively, nor do two lock, that is not how they were made. To try to have that sort of relationship between genders, is to violate our very natures, to violate the purpose God intended.

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Why is the desire to be with the person you love or to be intimate with that person, a sin?

The question is a leading question, it assumes something that is not really even true. It is not a sin, to desire to be with a person. It is not a sin to love others, we are called to love others, even out enemies. It is not even a sin to desire to be intimate with a person, not all intimacy is sexual, in fact sexual intimacy, my we one of the least intimate ways we can love someone. Real intimacy, is exchanging our thoughts and feelings, revealing ourselves on to another, there is a reason that the Bible uses the word "know" for intimate relations. Know is not knowing about someone, it is knowing them is a very intimate way, Adam knew His wife, Joseph knew Mary, and someday, some people, who thought that had lived their lives in accordance with God's will, will be dismayed to learn that He will say to them: 

 22Many will say to Me in that the day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23And then I will declare unto them, ‘I never knew you; depart you from Me, those working lawlessness.’

Practicing homosexuality, is to be a worked or lawlessness, since it is a violation of God's expressed will for our lives. If we truly love God, then we will also obey Him. If we truly love others, we will not engage them in ways that violate God's will, encouraging them to sin.

It is difficult to resist temptation, but it is not an unusual request. If sin was not attractive to us, then we would not need to be told not to do it. Abstinence is not impossible, it is what we are all called to do, not have sex outside of the relationship that God has ordained, on man, one woman, the two become one, that is part of marriage, as God designed it. Our part is to obey, and be grateful, not to submit to our lusts of the flesh and be rebellious.

Oh, and yes, temptation is something we have to carry our entire lives, until we are perfected at His coming. However, we do not need to yield to that temptation:

No temptation has seized you, except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but will also provide with the temptation the escape, to be able to endure it.

1Cor 10:13

The escape is to just refrain from sin, if one feels tempted to the extent that one cannot resist, then one simply needs to not place themselves in the position, where the opportunity for sin exists.

Sow a thought, reap a temptation;
Sow a temptation, reap an action;
Sow an action, reap a habit;
Sow a habit, reap a character;
Sow a character, reap a destiny!

All of that being said, while we are creatures who have a sinful nature, and are going to experience temptation in this life (even Jesus was tempted), it is also true, that people are not necessarily stuck with any given temptation. People do overcome temptations, not only to victoriously resist them, but to lose them. A lot has to do with habits. When we think about things over and over, we form a habit of the thought pattern, and continually subject ourselves to those temptations. We are not doomed to think these thoughts, we can put them out of our minds, and think of other things, cultivating new habits. I know several people who have done this, even with sexual thoughts, and consider themselves "cured" so to speak, not plagued any longer with even the thoughts that used to burden their lives, and make them feel hopeless. 

This is true for pedophiles, homosexuals, and the all too common heterosexuals who desire sex outside of a God ordained marriage. It is not at all, just homosexuals, who are tempted to sin, and it is not them only, who are expected to resist temptation, to abstain, and to obey. Probably most people have temptations, and God's expectations for them all, is to love Him, and to obey Him.

15“If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper,^f to be with you forever, 17even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be^g in you.

- John 14

The Lord is at hand; 6do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. 7And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

8Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. 9What you have learned^e and received and heard and seen in me—practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.

Philippians 4

[Mike Mclees]

Why is the desire to be with the person you love or to be intimate with that person, a sin?

What we have here is a lack of respect for God and His will. Even without reading the Bible it  does not take a genius. The cord only gives energy when it is plugged in the socket. Why ? Because it was made that way. Humanity has given themselves to perversion because of they want gratification any way they desire.   

Edited April 13, 2019 by Mike Mclees

[frienduff thaylorde]

37 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

desire to be with anyone, regardless of the gender of the people, is wrong outside Gods clearly and explicitly stated rules of marriage. That point seems to be conveniently ignored by those who have not said a word, for decades, about sexual relationships outside of marriage between heterosexuals.

Supposing I fell in love with a man who is married. I carried that heartbreak secretly within me for my lifetime, in obedience to God commandments. Living unmarried, in celibacy.  Is that any different from a homosexual persons feelings? Yet that scenario is somehow OK, but that of a homosexual is not? Think about it.

Yes its all wicked and all error must be corrected .     Me no pick and choose one sin over another .   It all gets corrected for the sake of the one in error .

[Blood Bought 1953]

 

Thank God, There is Good News for homosexuals......turn to God as a lost sinner......ask Him to save you and He will......do not let the simplicity of Salvation deter you... “ANYBODY ( that would include homosexuals)that asks to be saved WILL be saved” It is a promise of Jesus and He will not lie.