Concerns about scripture bombing

[OneLight]

I have taken notice that there seems to be some lately who believe scripture bombing is the best way to get their point across.  On the contrary, all it does is loose the attention of those they want to reach.  Instead of taking the time to have a conversation, as a teacher should do, those who use this technique basically are doing just the opposite.  By imposing your view with a litany of scripture, you provide a narrow view of what you belief the scripture means and discourages others to reply due to a very long list of scripture they would be required to reply to.  Where is the conversation?  Where is the desire to truly reach someone?  It's not there.  Instead, scripture bombing overwhelms the reader, nothing else.  It seems this technique is a persons means of leaving the reader with a conviction that if they do not agree they are, somehow, either lacking in understanding, faith or revelation, just the opposite of what a true teacher would want their audience to feel.

Instead of creating one post with many ideas, supported with many bible verses, shorten your response one idea at a time.  By touching on one point at a time, you will not loose your audience and turn people away.  Scripture is His word to us and should invite others to consider what is being said.  It is not to be used to turn people away from understanding.   Just as bible thumping never brought any positive results, scripture bombing doesn't either.

[Neighbor]

Sorry but; I find that I totally disagree with the presentation. My Lord and savior spoke and quoted the Bible He read  on numerous topics using "Bible bombing" quotes all in one presentation. He did so time and time again. He  used the Bible He read studied and loved when he made his presentations. One example is the sermon on the mount: 

 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

 “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

 “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.  Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Salt and Light

 “You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.

 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden.  Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house.  In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

Christ Came to Fulfill the Law

 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.  For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.  Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.  For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Anger

 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’  But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.  So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you,  leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.  Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison.  Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.

Lust

 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.  If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.  And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

Divorce

“It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’  But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Oaths

 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’  But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,  or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.  Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.

Retaliation

 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.  And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.  And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

Love Your Enemies

 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’  But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,  so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?  And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?  You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

 

 

[OneLight]

First of all, Jesus knew exactly what people needed to hear and spoke accordingly.  We do not.  If you look at your post you will also notice that Jesus spoke about individual subjects while keeping His answers short and to the point.  Nowhere do we find Jesus quoting all the verses from the OT He knew of to support His point, as people do with scripture bombing.   There is a difference and I hope that people can see that.

[Blood Bought 1953]

People are free to Scripture Bomb all they like.....but before they waste all of that valuable computer ink, I hope they know its a sure-fire way to go unread....

[OneLight]

Yes, they are free to do so, but at what cost to their message?  As you said, they normally get unread, so they are "preaching to the air".  If people just throw out scripture in such a way, what are they really trying to do?  Sound knowledgeable?  Show they do their homework and have a better understanding?  It doesn't take much to copy and paste, but it takes understanding and wisdom to show how they should be applied to their lives.  Teaching how to apply His word to our lives is not found in scripture bombing, but in communication between people.

[Willa]

I don't know how long a scripture bomb is.  Personally, I find that a point that is not supported by the word is useless.  My opinion is ridiculous if it is not in God's word.  You have been here a long time.  The posts that I have valued the most have been Fresno Joe's.  God's word enlightens and teaches; it gives wisdom. 

[OneLight]

13 minutes ago, Willa said:

I don't know how long a scripture bomb is.  Personally, I find that a point that is not supported by the word is useless.  My opinion is ridiculous if it is not in God's word.  You have been here a long time.  The posts that I have valued the most have been Fresno Joe's.  God's word enlightens and teaches; it gives wisdom. 

Scripture bombing is not a length as much as it is a style.  FresnoJoe never used this style when posting, even when he only posted scripture with one simple question.  Those who scripture bomb do so to silence any objection to them as it would take a very long time to answer everything if you can get past the confusion of their posts.

[Mal'ak]

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

 

I am not sure about the "scripture bombing", but if you are trying to have a conversation about God and/or Christianity but have no scripture only a post filled with your wisdom of man then to me that is unless trash.  When Jesus said the Shephard comes through the gate while the robber jumps over the fence to get to the sheep, the entire point of the parable was that true teachers use the Word of God to guide the sheep while the antichrists use smooth words and false promises that are no where stated in the Bible.  The Word of God clearly tells us to let the Word do the talking as it is God who teaches not us, as a teacher our only job is to connect the dots between scripture to help reveal a bigger picture of understanding. 

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

If someone posts here trying to "teach" Biblical doctrine but have no scripture, they are liars and antichrists, because the Holy Spirit does not work like two guys at a bar having a conversation.  The Holy Spirit calls into remembrance Scripture, then a teacher gives the scripture with some explaining or connecting scripture to connect the dots.  If the Christian has eyes to see they will understand, if they do not then it will not matter either way.  As said in John the Holy Spirit "bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you", we remember Scripture as we are talking to others and that is the Holy Spirit speaking to us and through us. 

 

Jesus answering and teaching by quoting the Bible:

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God

Matthew 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

[Mike 2]

I skipped past Neighbours post,  too much scripture.....could have stopped at the chapter and verse reference to the sermon on the mount .

It could be argued that Jesus was quoting a lot of scripture but we do have to keep in mind that he was delivering a sermon and not having a discussion with a group of friends.

Using scripture to prove or back up what we are saying is important, we should be doing it for clarity.....with 1 proviso,  there be only the proper amount of scripture to ensure we are not proof texting. Doing that is a skill in itself....... Laser bombing  ? 

I think what One Light is saying is important because we really do need to learn to take the words of God and share them in our own words in ways that work in the culture we are in, something I think for me, is one of the primary purposes of this forum.                                       Using bible quotes would then not be used as a back up to our belief but as the source of what we are communicating.

 

[OneLight]

7 minutes ago, Mal'ak said:

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

 

I am not sure about the "scripture bombing", but if you are trying to have a conversation about God and/or Christianity but have no scripture only a post filled with your wisdom of man then to me that is unless trash.  When Jesus said the Shephard comes through the gate while the robber jumps over the fence to get to the sheep, the entire point of the parable was that true teachers use the Word of God to guide the sheep while the antichrists use smooth words and false promises that are no where stated in the Bible.  The Word of God clearly tells us to let the Word do the talking as it is God who teaches not us, as a teacher our only job is to connect the dots between scripture to help reveal a bigger picture of understanding. 

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

If someone posts here trying to "teach" Biblical doctrine but have no scripture, they are liars and antichrists, because the Holy Spirit does not work like two guys at a bar having a conversation.  The Holy Spirit calls into remembrance Scripture, then a teacher gives the scripture with some explaining or connecting scripture to connect the dots.  If the Christian has eyes to see they will understand, if they do not then it will not matter either way.  As said in John the Holy Spirit "bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you", we remember Scripture as we are talking to others and that is the Holy Spirit speaking to us and through us. 

 

Jesus answering and teaching by quoting the Bible:

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God

Matthew 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Discussing scripture is not scripture bombing, in fact, it is what we should do.  I had thought everyone would know what scripture bombing is, but I was wrong.  Here is one site I found that explains it pretty well.  The explanation is pretty short and an easy read.

http://www.faithmeetsworld.com/scripture-bombing/