God And Allah The Same

[ayin jade]

30 minutes ago, Tampered With said:

The majority of "Muslims" are born into Islam as a state mandated fact and understand only what they are told. In those countries to leave the faith means death!

In the us as well. Leaving their faith can mean death. There have been some "honor" killings in the us over daughters etc who dared to do something outside their faith.

[ReneeIW]

1 hour ago, Tampered With said:

You do understand that their Jesus, ʿĪsā ibn Maryam, they believe is NOT the son of God, was never crucified so there is no salvation for sin, and that Īsā ibn Maryam in their belief is coming back to kill all you believe the former and preach Islam until only Allah is worshipped not Jehovah; right?

I wasn't familiar with everything that their faith teaches. The fact that they described Christ as just a prophet and do not recognize the New Testmanent as being inspired was enough for me to understand that they are not worshipping the same God. However, they believe they are worshipping the one true God and that we are wrong. That is what I was speaking to-their belief that they are worshipping  the God of Abraham.

I don't know who exactly they are worshipping, and I don't care to know.

But I do appreciate your enlightening me about the fact that they don't believe He was crucified. I didn't know that. I thought it was the Hindus who believed Christ was not crucified but had escaped to India.

[Behold]

1 hour ago, Tampered With said:

The majority of "Muslims" are born into Islam as a state mandated fact and understand only what they are told. In those countries to leave the faith means death!

Try to understand that there are no atheist's in a fox-hole.

In other words, if you are born into a country that demands you blow yourself up for Allah, using a car bomb, or they will put an orange suit on you and film your head being sawed off......  If you are that person, in that country, then you will always comply, even if you dont believe a word of the Quran, as how can you not comply?   Its do or die.

However, if you talk to Muslims, you will find that they understand that a small percentage of hyper-radical types, have hijacked the muslim community, worldwide.

Of course these same reject Christ as "God's begotten son", and they are all radicalized to a degree, but not to the degree of a Osama Bin Laden.    And these Muslims, just want to have a home, a Tv, food, a family, and do not spend hour upon hour meditating on the Quran.  They hardly even read it.   BUT, they understand that they have to be careful of who is watching.

[Behold]

1 hour ago, Tampered With said:

There are those in those countries that are refusing to comply and yes they are being martyred. How great is their faith to the average American or European Christian's?  

I'm sorry but Taqiyya and kitman are being practiced against you as those that believe in the fundamentalist teachings of Islam are the most violent as their ideal example Muhammad was! Please look up and study the meaning of those terms (Taqiyya and Kitman). A muslim is taught it is not lying to deceive a non-believer but protecting the faith. Just as Muhammad said a Muslim is not bound by any oath or treaty he signs with any non-believers but it is to gain an advantage and time to strengthen their position.

Taqiyya is a concept and a reality that must be borne in mind when reading or listening to the words of Muslims.

What is Taqiyya?

Taqiyya (also spelled taqiya or taqiyyah) is lying to advance or protect Islam (taqiyya literally means "prevention"). Muslims justify taqiyya from the Quran, other Islamic texts, and the actions of Muhammad, including those below.

It should be emphasized that while Iying is a cause for shame in the West, taqiyya isn't in Islam. To Muslims, taqiyya - Iying (to infidels) to advance and protect Islam - is both a virtue and a duty. 

So, when non-Muslims confront Muslims about facts that Muslims wish to hide (e.g., Hitler & Islam, Sharia Law, Errors in Quran, Halal, Allah Moon God, Taharrush, etc.), Muslims often Iie with a straight face, even on record and in front of other Muslims, who nod in agreement (see Muslim Brotherhood) to both approve of and to participate in taqiyya, as well as kitman - the related practice of telling half-truths - as Muhammad instructed:

"The Apostle said...'Who will rid me of Ibnul Ashraf?' Muhammad bin Maslama, brother of the Bani Abdul-Ashaf, said, 'I will deal with him for you, O Apostle of Allah, I will kiII him.' [Muhammad] said, 'Do so if you can... All that is incumbent upon you is that you should try.' He said, 'O Apostle of Allah, we shall have to tell Iies.' He answered, 'Say what you like, for you are free in the matter.'" - Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, page 307

"The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" - Volume 4, Book 52, Hadith 269

"By Allah, and Allah willing, if I take an oath and later find something else that is better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath." - Volume 7, Book 67, Hadith 427

"The believers never ally themselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers. Whoever does this is exiled from Allah. Exempted are those who are forced to do this to avoid persecution." - Quran 3:28

 

 

Im aware that the Q'uran teaches that its ok to lie to advance the cause of "allah".    

I just wathced the last American President do this quite a bit.

The Q'uran if full of a lot of interesting Sura's.   One of them says that muslims should drink Camel urine as a health tonic.

Lot's of interesting stuff like that in the Q'uran.

But my point is that there are a lot of Muslims who are not religiouspsychofanatics that will  use children as human shields.

Born again Christians are a product of their conversion "in Christ".

Muslims are a product of their false religion.

The Love of God on the Cross  leads a person to their conversion experience.

The Edge of a sword or the threat of murder is how "allah" would convert you and keep you after you "believed".

Edited November 4, 2019 by Behold

[ayin jade]

6 hours ago, Behold said:

 

But my point is that there are a lot of Muslims who are not religiouspsychofanatics that will  use children as human shields.

 

My muslim former sister in law is educated and works in the medical field. She was born and raised in an islamic country. She hates islam for the beatings her mother endured in the name of islam. Yet this same former sister in law told me she wanted to raise her kids, my niece and nephews, to be human shields for islam. Meanwhile donating money to aid organizations that are radical. 

Dont be fooled. Even the most moderate of muslims in some way support islam and radicals. 

[Blood Bought 1953]

Zola Levitt said he did not believe that were any “ good” Muslims......pretty harsh words from a kind man like him...

[Not me]

On 11/1/2019 at 2:44 PM, existential mabel said:

i keep coming across folk who either believe that God and Allah are the same or dont even know and have to ask someone and this is a mature Christian.

so this has got me thinking that i would like to be able to explain this. not the world's best at this so i thought i would start a thread to get my thoughts clearer.

i reasoned that its hard to explain the fact that they are not the same and that is because people it seem take it at face value and not question this fact. and it seems that more and more the interfaith movement is clouding this over.

 

I have thought, though I have never actually done it.... Since Muslims think they are praying to the God of Abraham, if the opportunity should arise I should ask if they are willing to pray to the God of Abraham with me. ...Just a thought, a little off subject but thought I’d throw it out there. 

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David Wood, Joel Richardson, and  Robert Spencer have some videos on you tube that discuss whether both are the same,  to bring it back to your question. I found them quite informative. 
 

Be blessed as you search this truth out, Not me 

Edited November 5, 2019 by Not me

[just_abc]

18 hours ago, JustPassingThru said:

 ...he teaches that claiming the name of God to be 

 

hi

Just a small note.

When used in a Christian context.. by Christians in Indonesia and malaysian Borneo.. the word is not used as a name..  but rather it is used in basically the same way as english speaking Christians use the english word 'God'

The english word 'God' is also not a name.  

If one were to compare many /most widely used reputable Indonesian language (Bahasa Indonesia) Bibles.. with english language Bibles such as KJV or NIV..... and..

and look at verses such as Genesis 1:1.. 

..one would often see a certain word used in that verse in the Indonesian Bible ..for where in english Bibles the english word 'God' is used..

 

Or in other words regardless of how non-Christians may or may not use or view words.. it does not automatically mean Christians also use it the same way..

 

Just some thoughts.

Thanks.

 

Ps.  Want to add that the majority of Christians in places such as malaysia..  have never been muslim..  The word is used by many indigenous Christians who were not from muslim backgrounds.  It is a language issue.

 

Edited November 5, 2019 by just_abc

[Behold]

8 hours ago, ayin jade said:

My muslim former sister in law is educated and works in the medical field. She was born and raised in an islamic country. She hates islam for the beatings her mother endured in the name of islam. Yet this same former sister in law told me she wanted to raise her kids, my niece and nephews, to be human shields for islam. Meanwhile donating money to aid organizations that are radical. 

Dont be fooled. Even the most moderate of muslims in some way support islam and radicals. 

Yes, im aware that all muslims are radicalized.  And ive never met one that didnt hate Jews, which is proof they are mind controlled by their religious culture.

Ive got a photo showing 2 Muslim children hanging on a fence, the parent standing there by them.....Children are alive.... He's using them to keep the US Troops from blowing up his house from the skies...

The USA, currently has 4 new members of Congress that are all female Muslims, and all 4 are Jew Hating radicals.   I can't even imagine how any State in the USA would elect these savages, but, they did.