God is taking off His gloves with us.... are we ready?

[Blood Bought 1953]

13 hours ago, Gideon said:

The reality of our condition of drawing near Him with our mouths but with our hearts far from Him, of being healed only slightly as we say 'Peace, peace' but with no peace in our hearts.... well, it is about to smack us in the face. And thank God for that! LOL. We are about to be awakened to what being a Christian actually means for us, and it is definitely a good news/ bad news type of thing. 

We as the present day church, especially  here in the west, have heaped to ourselves pastors and leaders who have so lowered the standard.... the promises of God  to fill us with overcoming life, that few believe it is even possible that God can..... and WILL... deliver us from evil.  And how few there are who believe the rest of God and the joy of serving Him is available in this life. Boy, are we wrong. 

Do we not get it? The gospel is not just about forgiveness, but about setting us free indeed from the grip of the world, free from the hold that our lower nature has on us, and free from the power the devil has illegally exercised over us due to our unbelief. Jesus calls it FREE INDEED. 

There is a great book I have found that shares the exact same message I am sharing..... the truth about our new nature.... that most of God's children have yet to put on. I love the title, written by Dan Stone. 

The Rest of the Godpel... When the Partial Gospel Has Worn Us Out

And how true it is. We have been fed a gospel with no promises to grab hold of, and no warnings, no exhortations, no rebukes, no corrections or chastenings to keep us balanced. Thus we have completely lost the reality of the battle we are in with the forces of darkness. 

We are the saints in the last day talked about in the Word who heap to themselves teachers, having  itching ears  Oh, We want the assurance of Heaven. We want the pearl of great price. We want a battle-free walk...contentment without godliness.... where Christ never interferes with OUR plans but heaps all the benefits of sonship on us regardless. We just don't want the cost that goes with it, do we?. 

And what is the cost? US. We are told as clearly as possible, if we do not hate our own life, we CANNOT be His disciples. We are told salvation is an exchange. Our old nature for His new nature in us. All our pearls for the pearl of great price. But we want to get the pearl fo Jesus on 'credit' and pay as we go. 

We have been lied to by the enemy that all God is looking for is that first magic prayer of faith, ignoring the fact that faith is a walk with God, yoked to Him, and we go where He goes. Have we simply cut out the verse warning us that it is he that endures to the end that will be saved? It is time we pasted it back in our Bibles. 

Like it or not, we are the spoiled  prodigal son who has taken all the "good" God has for us as His Father, and lived  for himself, a total contradiction to what our Bibles tell us. Up till now, all has been going pretty well, right? Wrong. We simply have not yet found our  faces  in the hog trough. Well, our walks as prodigal children are coming to a close. We are about to "come to ourselves" and the choice we will soon be asked to make will determine everything. 

Oh, I pray we see it.  We are the ones who have "re-manufactured " grace  into a license to sin. Our  Bibles call it turning the grace of God into lasciviousness. Legalism was a great problem in the early church. Not so at the end. A false grace  will be. It will masquerade as grace, promising us liberty but bringing those who listen to it into bondage to self, sin and the god of this world.   Oh, we would never admit that that our motive is to abuse God's  grace, but nevertheless, that is the end result, isn't it? We want the freedom to sin and to live for self with no repercussions. What a God we serve! Woo-hoo!  And God weeps. 

Look, I fully realize the truth is hard to accept. But can we finally be honest here? As a whole, the vast majority of believers have ZERO desire to walk as living sacrifices, even though we are told that in God's opinion, that is our 'reasonable service'. We think that is extremism. Hmmmmm, I wonder who is wrong? 

Oh, mind you, we get condemned when we slip up, but that is not the same as getting chastened and  corrected. But it never brings us to our knees as it did with Paul when he was found trying to 'be good' in his own power as seen in Romans 7. No, we proudly boast that Romans 7 gives us full justification to remain in the flesh, for if Paul could not do it, what hope do we have?  And we totally ignore that a) Paul HATED his constant failure and b) Jesus, his delieverer, heard his cry and DELIVERED HIM! Glory!

I want to declare something for all readers of this post and pray you really get it. God loves us far to much to let us walk into the judgment hall and stammeringly, try to give an account of how we have lived. Want to know the definition of terror. That is it. 

What will it take to see His precious children awake to righteousness and sin not? Lifting up the promises of God and encouraging those bound by sins they hate?  Absolutely. But some, a good portion actually, are so cozy, so comfortable, so asleep sitting in their church pews that they will only be awakened with shame or fear. 

God is not holding back in these last days. We have played church long enough. We have been savorless salt long enough. We have hidden what little light we have under our bushel baskets of Sunday services that assure us sll is ok, and then Monday mornings, go back to OUR lives. 

News flash. They are not our lives. He owns us. We now have a choice and it will not go away until we tell it to go away. We van either continue to sow to our flesh and in the end reap corruption.... OR.... we can finally yield ourselves to God as those who are alive from the dead.

God's gloves are coming off. He will not let us dishonor His name any longer as we have done up to this point. Ask most in the world one word that describes Christians and do you know what it is? Hypocrites. Ouch.... but can we really blame them?  

The final harvest is about to begin.  God has raised up messengers all over the world awakening His children to the fact that their master is about to return.  Will we be those spoken of who begin to make excuses as to why we cannot come right now? Do we really believe that a prayer spoken years ago which has degraded to a head doctrine that has no influence over how we now live is the faith that Jesus desires of us? 

Do we not get it? If we truly are believing, it changes our priorities. James was not talking about "working" for our salvation. That is beyond ridiculous and would mean two apostles of God were in total conflict.  If that were the case, throw your Bible out, for it is simply not to be believed at all. No, guys, James is simply saying that when we are truly walking in faith WITH God, we produce fruits of that abiding. Instead of fulfilling the lusts of the flesh, the Holy Spirit inside us brings forth God's very character out of us. And brothers and sisters, right now, like it or not, we are dishonoring the one we say we believe in. 

Do we remember what occurs in the final hours when His own who have had the good seed sprout in them let the cares of this life, like weeds, choke put the life within  them? The Holy Spirit leaves those wicked servants and the emphasis is shifted to the poor, the lame, the outcasts of society. That guys, is the next great revival. will we be a part of it? I pray so.

And do we know what will trigger this last great harvest in all the world? God tells us in Ezekiel 36, coincidentally right after He upbraids us for our having a form of godliness but denying the power of it.

"And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God , “when I am made holy  in you before their eyes."

Ezekiel 36:23

We are now moving into the valley of decision. We have played church long enough. We have loved ourselves long enough. We have disobeyed the Lord who died for us long enough. The choice we make now WiLL affect our eternity. May we all choose wisely. 

blessings, 

Gideon

Oh, I pray we see it.  We are the ones who have "re-manufactured " grace  into a license to sin. Our  Bibles call it turning the grace of God into lasciviousness. Legalism was a great problem in the early church. Not so at the end. A false grace  will be. It will masquerade as grace, promising us liberty but bringing those who listen to it into bondage to self, sin and the god of this world.   Oh, we would never admit that that our motive is to abuse God's  grace, but nevertheless, that is the end result, isn't it? We want the freedom to sin and to live for self with no repercussions. What a God we serve! Woo-hoo!  And God weeps. 

 

Yes or No.......Will you ever provide some proof of you allegations? I would hate to see Newbies led astray and be knocked off the True Path Of God’s Plan Of Salvation- Grace Plus Nothing- by a false “ reality”that only exist in the minds of poorly taught, confused Bible Readers ....They criticize what they do not understand.... 

[Debp]

16 hours ago, Gideon said:

We want the freedom to sin and to live for self with no repercussions.

Where are all of the Christians that think like that?!   Certainly I don't think that way.    I've never met any other Christians that think like that either.   Sin leads to misery....who wants that?!

[Coliseum]

Someone shared with me that I am saying little these days. As I read so much of what others feel convicted to say, I am seeing it is filled with things that brandish their own viewpoint. We all have our own viewpoint. This is mine: Instead of sharing the "truth, in love," I am hearing the truth lectured, with very little love. The truth is needed. Jesus spoke the truth. The truth is harsh. It has no regard for how one feels or thinks. It lives on, whether we are dead or alive. It does not care whether we agree with it, are angry at it, or accept it. But the reason Jesus drew clouds of witnesses is not because he spoke the truth only. It is because people who are still hearing his truth  do not feel judged, or condemned, but loved; Jesus did not come to condemn the world. In this forum, there are people who love to espouse the truth. I am reading a "Mathematical treatise" that push people away from Christ instead of a love letter that draws people to him. He loves us with great empathy and compassion, who desires us to forego the treachery of sin because he took it. He felt it---the whole world of it---and he loves us so much that he does not want us to be overwhelmed and destroyed by it. 

People do not change with lectures, debates, and only the abrasiveness of truth. Their hearts are transformed because they know they are loved. The two greatest commandments say nothing about the truth; they speak of love. In 1 Cor 13:2, we read: 

"If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing." You can have all the truth you want, but without love to accompany it, it means zero, nada, nothing!

And so, I back off a little. I feel that for the most part, it will not matter to most who are filled with the need to illustrate the truth. But to the one who was concerned why I say little these days, that person will know I feel loved.

 

[Gideon]

9 hours ago, Debp said:

Where are all of the Christians that think like that?!   Certainly I don't think that way.    I've never met any other Christians that think like that either.   Sin leads to misery....who wants that?!

Deb, perhaps I worded that a bit too strongly, and for that I apologize. 

Here is my point. We often hear that Romans 7 is our abode, our experience in our walks with the Lord. We are trapped by sin and self. The things we want to do, we do not. The things we do not want to do, we end up doing. Amen? 

But what was Paul's mindset here? He literally despised himself and his constant failures.  He longed to be freed from constantly disappointing the Lord with his disobedience. And was he rewarded for seeking rhe Lord  AND His righteousness? Yes, he was.

Do you see where I am going here? Is this our mindset? Or, are we content to let grace make up the difference  between our calling and our failure, with no real desire to be FREE INDEED. 

So, are  we any better than someone who wants to still have the freedom to sin. God is looking at our heart intents, amen? If God has told us that He will cause us both to will, AND  to do, of His good pleasure, .and set us free indeed, if we are not crying out with all that is within us for our deliverer to deliver  us from evil, as He taught us to  pray, rhen I content our position is no different than the one i stated above. 

Do you disagree, and if so, why? Thanks.

Gids

[Behold]

On 3/29/2020 at 2:05 PM, Gideon said:

, and right now we need to be awakened to the  danger of the hour and  how we are now living.. 

 

 

Your general condemnation of all Christians that is defining the believers here, and everyone who is born again,  reads like a pointing finger.

Christianity is made up of people who are redeemed by God thru Christ, and are all going to the same Heaven after they die, if they are not Raptured there first.  All of us will be spending time with Jesus, ruling with Him, in Israel.

Christianity is  made up of backslidden Christians, baby Christians,  heretical Christians, useless Christians, and a percentage of Christians who are faithful, and obsessed on Jesus, The Word, and want to be taught how to grow in Grace,  and really really really want to be used.

And my entire description is also very fluid, as, backsliders become sold out later, and the sold out sometimes fall and backslide.   So, all are "in process" working out their salvation,  and God loves us all the same, and Jesus's blood is why we belong to God.

We are living in a certain cultural church age where "rights" have become more important then doing what is right.  And much of recent Christianity is glossy, shiny, and fake.  However, since the first were called, its always been just a few who are the most active in the work.  

Nothing new under the sun.

Edited March 30, 2020 by Behold

[TheBlade]

""re-manufactured " grace  into a license to sin.". How am I missing  this? I don't hear any saying  grace a license to sin. Did you know She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”. Its in plain sight. Grace given first before "go and sin no more". "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”. Is this about sinning? What sin does Christ have to die for again? Gods taking His gloves off? Just what is He remembering?

Again you say "We want the freedom to sin and to live for self with no repercussions.". Where are you getting this? Many times you say "we/us". Who is WE and US? Is this a believer your talking about in another post "So, are  we any better than someone who wants to still have the freedom to sin." <--again where are people hearing this? I watch those some call "grace only". Watched one yesterday. A few of his videos (hours). I never once came away with free to sin because of grace. Never once did he say you don't have to repent. On and on. And truth? I don't remember the last time watching someone give so much praise and glory and worship to Christ, the Father. People do the same thing with "word of Faith"

"Look, I fully realize the truth is hard to accept. But can we finally be honest here? As a whole, the vast majority of believers have ZERO desire to walk as living sacrifices,".again how did you come up with that? Then the "zero desire"?

Not here to debate grace lol. For me Hes made it clear my sin He does not see. Being saved I see all the sin I do and how it seems I can never escape it. What did He say? He asks me what righteousness is and how to you get righteousness. And you know how that makes me feel? I want to change even more for Him. The more mercy and grace He shows/showed me the more I want to live for Him.  <--this was before internet. So I never go it from some preacher. There is so much more to this in the word. And then one has to apply the other side which is in the word. Balance. 

I just sorry get lost in.. who is all this WE and US and where do you get hear this "license to sin".  I watch the so many of the preaches people list with "grace only". And so far I can't find them every say "we have a license to sin/ we want the freedom to sin and to live for self with no repercussions". For me.. if I can't find them saying those words yet talk as if they are .. for me thats lying. Anyway.

To live for Christ not self. duh die to self, do good works.. if you sin repent get up dust off keep going Praise GOD! Agree

 

 

[Gideon]

9 minutes ago, TheBlade said:

""re-manufactured " grace  into a license to sin.". How am I missing  this? I don't hear any saying  grace a license to sin. Did you know She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”. Its in plain sight. Grace given first before "go and sin no more". "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”. Is this about sinning? What sin does Christ have to die for again? Gods taking His gloves off? Just what is He remembering?

Again you say "We want the freedom to sin and to live for self with no repercussions.". Where are you getting this? Many times you say "we/us". Who is WE and US? Is this a believer your talking about in another post "So, are  we any better than someone who wants to still have the freedom to sin." <--again where are people hearing this? I watch those some call "grace only". Watched one yesterday. A few of his videos (hours). I never once came away with free to sin because of grace. Never once did he say you don't have to repent. On and on. And truth? I don't remember the last time watching someone give so much praise and glory and worship to Christ, the Father. People do the same thing with "word of Faith"

"Look, I fully realize the truth is hard to accept. But can we finally be honest here? As a whole, the vast majority of believers have ZERO desire to walk as living sacrifices,".again how did you come up with that? Then the "zero desire"?

Not here to debate grace lol. For me Hes made it clear my sin He does not see. Being saved I see all the sin I do and how it seems I can never escape it. What did He say? He asks me what righteousness is and how to you get righteousness. And you know how that makes me feel? I want to change even more for Him. The more mercy and grace He shows/showed me the more I want to live for Him.  <--this was before internet. So I never go it from some preacher. There is so much more to this in the word. And then one has to apply the other side which is in the word. Balance. 

I just sorry get lost in.. who is all this WE and US and where do you get hear this "license to sin".  I watch the so many of the preaches people list with "grace only". And so far I can't find them every say "we have a license to sin/ we want the freedom to sin and to live for self with no repercussions". For me.. if I can't find them saying those words yet talk as if they are .. for me thats lying. Anyway.

To live for Christ not self. duh die to self, do good works.. if you sin repent get up dust off keep going Praise GOD! Agree

 

 

Here is the dilemma. If sin is not dealt with, if the traitor,called the old man,  is not permanently cast out by reckoning it dead,  are there dangers? You bet! 

Sin continued in will harden our hearts. 

The traitor, our  lower nature,  will be tempted and not take the way of escape.  He will  choose not to hold up his shield of faith. 

Where is safety then, if we no not reckon our old man as dead? There is none. Why? We are the weak link in the promises of God.

The promises do not work automatically. They work as we believe them.  Why are there the plethora of warnings given to us in the word, warnings we simply hardly ever hear from ourc pulpits?  If we were secure from day one, what possible reason can there be for any warning?  Simply rip them from our Bibles if they are not really dangers, right? 

As to my statement about Christians choosing to sin, I addressed that with Deb and explained what I was referribg to. I worded it poorly, for sure. If you would, read what I shared and hopefully it will clear things up a bit. Thanks, brother.

Gids

Edited March 30, 2020 by Gideon

[Gideon]

1 hour ago, Behold said:

Your general condemnation of all Christians that is defining the believers here, and everyone who is born again,  reads like a pointing finger.

Christianity is made up of people who are redeemed by God thru Christ, and are all going to the same Heaven after they die, if they are not Raptured there first.  All of us will be spending time with Jesus, ruling with Him, in Israel.

Christianity is  made up of backslidden Christians, baby Christians,  heretical Christians, useless Christians, and a percentage of Christians who are faithful, and obsessed on Jesus, The Word, and want to be taught how to grow in Grace,  and really really really want to be used.

And my entire description is also very fluid, as, backsliders become sold out later, and the sold out sometimes fall and backslide.   So, all are "in process" working out their salvation,  and God loves us all the same, and Jesus's blood is why we belong to God.

We are living in a certain cultural church age where "rights" have become more important then doing what is right.  And much of recent Christianity is glossy, shiny, and fake.  However, since the first were called, its always been just a few who are the most active in the work.  

Nothing new under the sun.

Condemnation? I do not even know how to respond to that. LOL. 

 

Suppose you are taking an early morning jog and see smoke pouring out of a house in the neighborhood. You bang on the door. No answer. The flames are now growing. The occupants are sound asleep. You have a choice. 

a) It is not your problem and let the flames wake them up when it is too late

OR,

b) break down the door, run up the stairs and shake them awake to alert them to the danger. 

You choose the latter. But they are REALLY tired and must be having pleasant dreams. You shake them.... hard. Why? You care, simple as that. They get angry.  Like REALLY angry. Indignant. Who are you to tell them anything?  Why, you have broken into their house! They tell you they are going to sue you! That front doo cost $800.00!! 

Does it matter at that point what they think? No. The only important thing is to make sure that they are safe, no matter the cost. 

Brother, you may assume I am crazy, lol, but if you think I am condemning Christians, you need to read my posts more closely. You may not agree with what I am sharing, and I certainly get that. If I am crazy, my craziness will eventually come out and what I share will  drift off into oblivion. 

But if I am correct, and God is opening our eyes as to HOW to not only get rid of our carnal nature but also to fill us with real palpable victory over the world, the flesh and the devil, then thecreal motivation is not condemnation but love, pure and simple.  

be blessed,

Gideon

 

Edited March 30, 2020 by Gideon

[Behold]

1 hour ago, Gideon said:

 

But if I am correct, and God is opening our eyes as to HOW to not only get rid of our carnal nature but also to fill us with real palpable victory over the world, the flesh and the devil, then thecreal motivation is not condemnation but love, pure and simple.  

be blessed,

Gideon

 

There is only one way to get rid of our carnal nature.

Its to get a new one.  This is to be born again, and become a "New Creation in Christ".

Now you have a new nature, its a Divine nature that is "One" with God and Christ.

So, try not to confuse deeds done with the born again nature - born again Spirit.

And while God is interested in perfecting the Saints, He is more interested in redeeming the Lost.

Jesus came to seek and save the lost.  And now, "as Jesus is SO ARE WE IN THIS WORLD".....to do the same.

Thats the NT Prime Directive.  Thats "Go into all the world and BRING ME THE SHEEP".

Thats Job 1.

God is not angry with His Children.  All His wrath that was once against our sin, .. past, present, and future, He poured out on JESUS on the CROSS.

You stated that "we the born again are now in the valley of decision", but i'll tell you that we left that valley when we made a decision to present God our Faith in Christ and were translated from Darkness to Light.

Jesus is The Light, and we are now the Children of The Light.

God does not reign down terror on His redeemed, but He will bring trouble to nations, sure.

Edited March 31, 2020 by Behold

[Neighbor]

God is taking off His gloves with us.... are we ready?

 Don't know about we. I am ready, certain, and  confident in Jesus' faith.