IN THE MIDST OF COVID19, WHAT'S NEXT IN BIBLE PROPHECY?

[Last Daze]

14 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Personally, I'm becoming more and more convinced all this UFO military fighter jet video footage being released [soft disclosure], government acknowledgement, reporting and policy changes, secret investigations, a plethora of UFO documentaries and programs. Along with the numerous documented virgin Mary aberrations. Are part of the first warning, "do not be deceived".

I agree.  I see the acceptance of ETs as being the result of a concerted campaign of lies from spiritual wickedness in high places.  It's not for no reason that so much effort has been put into that deception.  Those false prophets who will be able to manipulate the material realm in ways never before seen can claim extraterrestrial origin and be widely accepted as saviors, especially the false prophet who restores peace to a world plunged into chaos.

[luigi]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

First, what is God's purpose in this "sealing?" It is for one purpose: to protect these 144,000 from harm during the 5th trumpet judgment:

4.  And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5.  And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

⁶ And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Why would men seek death? Because the pain of these stings will be so grievous.  Your theory of  "Throughout the world, the Lord's servants are as a countless number who are sealed with God's seal of Truth" is certainly truth, but it has NOTHING to do with the sealing of the 144,000 for their protection.  Your "deduction" strikes and fails yet again. 

What about the 4 angels holding back the judgment? Who will accomplish this judgment? Each one will be triggered by an angel with a trumpet. However, other angels may well be involved in that judgment. 

 

 

No, not what men's hands produce: it is man's SINS: "they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:  Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts"

It seems you and I have a totally different way of reading scriptures.

The 30 minutes of silence is the way God has chosen to BEGIN the 70th week of Daniel or the time of Jacob's trouble.

I suspect "the four winds" is symbolic. Those angels are to not allow the "hurt" of the trumpet judgements to begin UNTIL two events happen or are seen to be accomplished. (It is like God rearranging the setting behind a curtain to prepare for the next act: the trumpet judgments. 

What two events MUST be accomplished before "the HURT" begins?

1. The 144,000 must be sealed for their protection during the trumpet judgments - in particular the 5th.

2. The CHURCH or the Bride of Christ MUST BE seen safely in  heaven before the HURT. That huge crowd, too large to number is the church, seen in heaven just after the rapture. They came out of the great tribulation (the entire church age) one by one as each heard the gospel and were born again.  (The "came out" is a Greek present tense verb meaning coming "continuously" or coming one after another.) What does this mean? It means as each person heard the gospel and were born again at that time they came out of the great tribulation which is the church age. 

Make no mistake here, this is the just raptured church, raptured a moment before that earthquake at the 6th seal.

You claim the sealing of the seals is to protect the 144000 though you provide no substantiation. In addition to the 144000 there is the countless number of saints throughout the world who are also sealed with God's seal, who according to the angel are they who have come through the great tribulation and are now with God (Revelation 7:14-17), and so were not protected from the seals events.

It is relatively simple to follow without having to bring suppositions of what HURT means, and church age means, and rapture means, and trumpet judgments means, and everything else you conjecture over means. There are 4 angels who keep harm from happening on the earth until a countless number of people on earth are sealed with God's truth, after which the four angels then allow the damage to the earth caused by the love mankind has for the things his hands produce through industry burning fossil fuels. There is no hocus pocus. We can see the damage industry is causing the earth today, and will continue to do so, thereby adversely affecting everyone. The greater amount of damage due the earth is only now being restrained until everyone is made aware of the truth. Once complete, there will then be those who accept the Lords seal of truth, and there will be those who deny the Truth, so that they may continue to take pleasure in unbelieving (2 Thessalonians 2:10-12).

Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Eddy Crocker]

41 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

It aided in the later sins of the Watchers that cohabited with female and bore Nephilim. They taught mankind forbidden ways to hasten his destruction and attempted to cut off the Messiah's line. The Territorial Spirits that God put over the nations (Deut 32) also helped the general demise of all  humans. But Yeshua addressed all three issues at the Cross and Resurrection. As the apostle said He made their power into nought and removed their mandate to rule. Yeshua took away the power formerly given after Babel, (see Psalm 82) "and you will all die like men" was God's judgement. (reiterated in John 10 by Yeshua, as He was Lord of the Council).

"It is Finished" means a lot more that what we normally just consider. The Creation was fractured by sin (Gen 3, Gen 6 and Babel) and now He has set it to rights.
It is a 'done deal', but not just yet...  Nevertheless, it will be as God has Willed it from the Beginning.

This why why God sent the flood to free those bodies that were taken under their possession to manifest their wickedness upon the earth. This is why Jesus sent demons into pigs to free those bodies so those Spirits couldn’t use those bodies anymore. 

That’s what the physical water baptism stands for to free ourselves from the Adamic nature which has its mark on our physical bodies. We become a house divided when saved until Jesus’s baptism of fire and Holy Spirit frees us from that Antichrist spirit by his baptism and his resurrection we are freed from
 

Satan’s grip because death is defeated by Christ’s death, burial and resurrection. Satan has a claim over our physical bodies because of his mark on us. Now we have a spiritual body in Christ. We are no longer a house divided because we have relinquished our wills for his will. That’s why he says a body hast thou prepared for me. 

[luigi]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

 

 

 

I don't think so: under the 7th seal may be only 30 minutes of silence. But after the 7th seal, the BOOK can be opened to reveal what is written inside the book.  What ever comes next (the 7 trumpet judgments) must be what is written "within" the book."

Do you not understand that when a seal is opened, the information that then follows is that which was sealed until then?

[branchesofHim]

On 4/4/2020 at 8:07 AM, CLIVE CAMPBELL said:

N THE MIDST OF COVID19, WHAT DO GOD AND THE BIBLE SAY IS NEXT ON THE PROPHETIC HORIZON?

It's all temporary. Shalom.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, luigi said:

Do you not understand that when a seal is opened, the information that then follows is that which was sealed until then?

Do you not understand that there is a BOOK written "within" that is sealed with seals. There is more to the book than just the seals. But the book, written within, cannot be opened until first the seals sealing it are opened.  On the other hand, there is writing on the outside of the book also: probably telling what kind of a man could be worthy to open the seals. Again it is a guess, but from what is written, my guess is, it had to be a man who could live without sin, then escape out of the devil's hell, and be risen from the dead. Again a guess, but my guess is, Satan was sure no man would EVER escape out of hell and raise from the dead under his own power. 

We know this was a scroll, because they is what "books" were back then. Imagine a scroll, rolled up on a round stick with seven seals. When a seal is broken, a small strip of the roll can be unrolled and one could see writing on the inside of that seal. But the book itself could not be unrolled. When the second seal was opened, another narrow strip could be unrolled and it could be read (maybe wrapped one time around the book).  Then the third, then the 4th. 

If you really understood what this book is, you would guess, as I have, that this book is an agreement between God as the creator of the earth, and Satan as the God of the earth.  God wanted to get His planet back, but Satan wanted to remain as God of this world forever.  I believe it was Satan that demanded this lease document be sealed so that it could ONLY be opened by someone who could escape out of hell by his own power - someone who could raise from the dead under his own power. That way, Satan was sure no such person would EVER be found worthy. It would have to be someone who could live without sin, and Satan was sure no one every could. 

God placed the 7th trumpet to sound when the 6000 years of Adam's lease would expire.  But Satan demanded 7 seals be opened before God could sound even one trumpet. God wanted to send out His church with the gospel (seal 1) but Satan then demanded he be allowed to stop the gospel using wars, famines, and pestilences. Again we can guess that Satan was confident he could hold the gospel with that 1/4th of the earth, so God could NEVER send Jesus back to earth (the gospel MUST go to every nation first). God then had to have a 5th seal for the martyrs, as Satan had a legal right to try and stop the advance of the gospel. (AS each seal is broken, then a LEGAL RIGHT is established to bring some event into existence. It is a LEGAL document. On the other hand, UNTIL a seal is opened, it would be ILLEGAL to bring that event to pass.) It would then be ILLEGAL for God to send out the church to the nations if that seal could not legally be opened.  Satan could not legally start world wars unless or until that second seal was opened.  OF COURSE God did not want world wars: Satan drove a very hard bargain.  If God was to be the book open to get to the trumpet judgments, then He had to open the second, third, fourth and fifth seal.

Think about it: unless SOMEONE could be found worthy to open that first seal, the church could not be sent out. God would then be stymied in His purpose. John KNEW in his heart the great importance of this book, and that is why he wept much when no man was found worthy.  When the trumpets are sounding, from what is written "within" - the seals will be forgotten at that point. 

My whole point is, there is more to this book than the seals sealing the book - the title deed or lease document to earth. No one really knows what is written inside: John did not tell us so we could only guess. My guess is, the entire 70th week is what is INSIDE the book. 

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, luigi said:

You claim the sealing of the seals is to protect the 144000 though you provide no substantiation. [/quote]

I certainly gave you substantiation: verse 4:  it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Notice, the stinging little beasties that sting like scorpions cannot sting people that are sealed on their forehead. 

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 In addition to the 144000 there is the countless number of saints throughout the world who are also sealed with God's seal, who according to the angel are they who have come through the great tribulation and are now with God (

Revelation 7:14-17), and so were not protected from the seals events.

We are sealed IN OUR SPIRIT - not on our forehead! We are sealed by the Holy Spirit - not by some visible seals on our forehead.

There is NOTHING in the description of this great crowd, that they are sealed on their forehead, or that were "saved" through the preaching of those 144,000 as some claim. Nor is there ANY HINT they are martyrs or dead. Have you ever stopped to try and calculate how many dead in Christ their will be? It is going to be a staggering figure - perhaps 40 to 50 generations of saints all in one place at one time. Take today, right now: how many of our generation are born again? Perhaps 1 or 2 billion. Perhaps 3 billion. How about the generation before that? Another 2 or 3 billion. And so on back through the church age when the count was millions instead of billions. Added all together, then added to that the final generation, and added to that number all the children alive today on the planet: a HUGE number. Just to compare, it would take someone counting a number each second around 32 years to count to one billion. 

The largest crowd by far of all groups found in Revelation will be the raptured church. The martyrs of the church age won't come close. The martyrs of the 70th week far far less. What am I saying? Just by numbers alone this large group, too large to number HAS to be the raptured church. But when we read their description, OF COURSE they are the raptured church. This group, too large to number, has NOTHING in common with the 144,000 except they are written in the same chapter. As I explained before, God is going to make CERTAIN two events happen before He will allow the 70th week or time of Jacob's trouble to begin: first, the CHURCH must be seen safely in heaven. CHECK.  It will be done. 

then next, the 144,000 must be seals for their protection during the trumpet judgments. CHECK! It will be done. 

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It is relatively simple to follow without having to bring suppositions of what HURT means

 and church age means, and rapture means, and trumpet judgments means, and everything else you conjecture over means.

Out of time

 

For example, turning 1/3 of the seas to blood. That is "hurt" to the earth. 

 

Edited May 18, 2020 by iamlamad

[CLIVE CAMPBELL]

57 minutes ago, branchesofHim said:

It's all temporary. Shalom.

branchesofHim, care to elaborate?

[luigi]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

Do you not understand that there is a BOOK written "within" that is sealed with seals. There is more to the book than just the seals. But the book, written within, cannot be opened until first the seals sealing it are opened.  On the other hand, there is writing on the outside of the book also: probably telling what kind of a man could be worthy to open the seals. Again it is a guess, but from what is written, my guess is, it had to be a man who could live without sin, then escape out of the devil's hell, and be risen from the dead. Again a guess, but my guess is, Satan was sure no man would EVER escape out of hell and raise from the dead under his own power. 

We know this was a scroll, because they is what "books" were back then. Imagine a scroll, rolled up on a round stick with seven seals. When a seal is broken, a small strip of the roll can be unrolled and one could see writing on the inside of that seal. But the book itself could not be unrolled. When the second seal was opened, another narrow strip could be unrolled and it could be read (maybe wrapped one time around the book).  Then the third, then the 4th. 

If you really understood what this book is, you would guess, as I have, that this book is an agreement between God as the creator of the earth, and Satan as the God of the earth.  God wanted to get His planet back, but Satan wanted to remain as God of this world forever.  I believe it was Satan that demanded this lease document be sealed so that it could ONLY be opened by someone who could escape out of hell by his own power - someone who could raise from the dead under his own power. That way, Satan was sure no such person would EVER be found worthy. It would have to be someone who could live without sin, and Satan was sure no one every could. 

God placed the 7th trumpet to sound when the 6000 years of Adam's lease would expire.  But Satan demanded 7 seals be opened before God could sound even one trumpet. God wanted to send out His church with the gospel (seal 1) but Satan then demanded he be allowed to stop the gospel using wars, famines, and pestilences. Again we can guess that Satan was confident he could hold the gospel with that 1/4th of the earth, so God could NEVER send Jesus back to earth (the gospel MUST go to every nation first). God then had to have a 5th seal for the martyrs, as Satan had a legal right to try and stop the advance of the gospel. (AS each seal is broken, then a LEGAL RIGHT is established to bring some event into existence. It is a LEGAL document. On the other hand, UNTIL a seal is opened, it would be ILLEGAL to bring that event to pass.) It would then be ILLEGAL for God to send out the church to the nations if that seal could not legally be opened.  Satan could not legally start world wars unless or until that second seal was opened.  OF COURSE God did not want world wars: Satan drove a very hard bargain.  If God was to be the book open to get to the trumpet judgments, then He had to open the second, third, fourth and fifth seal.

Think about it: unless SOMEONE could be found worthy to open that first seal, the church could not be sent out. God would then be stymied in His purpose. John KNEW in his heart the great importance of this book, and that is why he wept much when no man was found worthy.  When the trumpets are sounding, from what is written "within" - the seals will be forgotten at that point. 

My whole point is, there is more to this book than the seals sealing the book - the title deed or lease document to earth. No one really knows what is written inside: John did not tell us so we could only guess. My guess is, the entire 70th week is what is INSIDE the book. 

This is where we part in opinion. You do not believe the information about the four horsemen and Hell and Death, and the other events with the Lord's wrath commencing upon the opening of the sixth seal, and the 7 angels who provide sounding warnings upon the opening of the seventh seal as constituting the information under those seals. I, however, do believe that information to be just that. This same information under the same seven seals is then elaborated upon in greater detail in following chapters, as the beast who rises from the sea, is another description for the beast who rises from the bottomless pit under the seventh seal. Likewise, the dragon who is the devil and vests the beast with his power, causing the beast to rise from the sea in Revelation 13, is another description for the angel of the bottomless pit whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (Revelation 9:11), which means the destroyer, who upon opening the bottomless pit causes the beast's ascension (under the seventh seal).

Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

[luigi]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

I certainly gave you substantiation: verse 4:  it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Notice, the stinging little beasties that sting like scorpions cannot sting people that are sealed on their forehead. 

iamlamad, you are mixing data from Revelation 7 incorrectly into the timeline of Revelation 9. The events in Revelation 7 in which the Lord's servants are sealed with God's truth, occur prior to the events in Revelation 8 and 9. Many of the Lord's servants die during this great tribulation time as indicated in Revelation 7:13-17. Then comes a small space of time in heaven, after which the four angels who had been restraining the four winds of the earth, cease from restraining the winds. The results of the four angels ceasing to restrain the four winds of the earth are those depicted in Revelation 8 in which 1/3 of all earth's environmental resources are destroyed. The devil, aka, Apollyon, Abaddon, the destroyer, then opens the bottomless pit (Revelation 9), which is also the sea from which the beast ascends (Revelation 13). It is during this time of the beasts reign in which the remnant surviving saints on earth are not to be hurt by the initial damage (Revelation 9:4) the dragons power will cause to all other inhabitants of the earth and sea (Revelation 12:12).

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.