2021 Rapture

[iamlamad]

1 minute ago, JohnD said:

No myth. Scripture quotes.

Beware people like this chap who emphasize subjective prophecies over

direct (objective) quotes from scripture.

Trumpets, seals, bowls vials...

WHEN these events actually happen THEN we will understand them.

The Bible teaches believers will have tribulation 42 months under the beast (Revelation 13:5-18)

he will abate temple sacrifice (Daniel 9:27 / Daniel 12:11) in the middle of the last seven years...

Again... Holy Spirit interpreted scripture verified objective quotes from scripture

rather than human interpreted supposition / predetermination over what the third tow nail on the

dragon means.

The Bible teaches believers will have tribulation 42 months under the beast (Revelation 13:5-18) There will be 42 months of trampling of the Holy City when the man of sin arrives there with his Gentile armies. 

Then the Antichrist Beast will be given 42 months of authority starting shortly after the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint. But WHO will he have authority over? The church? No, according to chapter 12, only a REMNANT is left. The main load went out with the pretrib rapture.  These 42 months will certainly include the days of GREAT tribulation that Jesus spoke of. 

he will abate temple sacrifice (Daniel 9:27 / Daniel 12:11) in the middle of the last seven years...  We agree. 

The 1290 day is a 30 day extension PAST the end of the week (day 1260 from the midpoint) to some unknown event 30 days after the 7th vial ends the week on day 2520 of the week. It just could be the day Jesus returns to Armageddon. 

The 1335 day is yet another extension of 45 days past the 1290th day or 75 Days past the end of the week. WHo knows? It could be the temple is then cleansed. It could be the official start of the Millennial reign. 

The week is marked by 7's: the 7th seal begins the week (with the first trumpet judgment), the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint, and the 7th vial ends the week. You have the 2520 right. You have the midpoint 1260 right. 

The fourth year CANNOT start on day 1080! There WILL be a day 1230  but it will have nothing to do with the 1290 days. The 1335 will be a day AFTER the week, not somewhere inside the week. These points are just not scripture correctly understood. 

[JohnD]

1 minute ago, iamlamad said:

The Bible teaches believers will have tribulation 42 months under the beast (Revelation 13:5-18) There will be 42 months of trampling of the Holy City when the man of sin arrives there with his Gentile armies. 

Then the Antichrist Beast will be given 42 months of authority starting shortly after the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint. But WHO will he have authority over? The church? No, according to chapter 12, only a REMNANT is left. The main load went out with the pretrib rapture.  These 42 months will certainly include the days of GREAT tribulation that Jesus spoke of. 

he will abate temple sacrifice (Daniel 9:27 / Daniel 12:11) in the middle of the last seven years...  We agree. 

The 1290 day is a 30 day extension PAST the end of the week (day 1260 from the midpoint) to some unknown event 30 days after the 7th vial ends the week on day 2520 of the week. It just could be the day Jesus returns to Armageddon. 

The 1335 day is yet another extension of 45 days past the 1290th day or 75 Days past the end of the week. WHo knows? It could be the temple is then cleansed. It could be the official start of the Millennial reign. 

The week is marked by 7's: the 7th seal begins the week (with the first trumpet judgment), the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint, and the 7th vial ends the week. You have the 2520 right. You have the midpoint 1260 right. 

The fourth year CANNOT start on day 1080! There WILL be a day 1230  but it will have nothing to do with the 1290 days. The 1335 will be a day AFTER the week, not somewhere inside the week. These points are just not scripture correctly understood. 

I highlighted YOUR interpretation.

 

[JohnD]

Daniel 12:11–12 (AV)
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days*.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days**.

*1290 days to the end of time

**1335 days from the beginning of the 70th Week of Daniel

[iamlamad]

14 minutes ago, JohnD said:

Daniel 12:11–12 (AV)
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days*.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days**.

*1290 days to the end of time

**1335 days from the beginning of the 70th Week of Daniel

We have 5 examples of starting at the midpoint and going 1260 days or 42 months to the end. Two of those examples are 1260 days. It just makes good sense that we follow this pattern with the 1290 days. It will be 1290 days from the midpoint which would then be 30 days AFTER the end of the week. You can count backwards if you wish, but WHY?  Neither is it the "end of time." there will be 1000 years of time.

 

Did you notice that verse 11 is NOT a "from" "to" sentence. It is a "from" "and." What Daniel is saying is the sacrifices will end AND the abomination set up on the same day, and from that day, 1290 days later some unknown event will take place. It could be the cleansing of the temple.  The 1335 day will work the same way.  Again, if you wish to count backwards, for some unscriptural reason, go ahead, but I think you will be wrong. 

[JohnD]

2 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

We have 5 examples of starting at the midpoint and going 1260 days or 42 months to the end. Two of those examples are 1260 days. It just makes good sense that we follow this pattern with the 1290 days. It will be 1290 days from the midpoint which would then be 30 days AFTER the end of the week. You can count backwards if you wish, but WHY?  Neither is it the "end of time." there will be 1000 years of time.

 

Did you notice that verse 11 is NOT a "from" "to" sentence. It is a "from" "and." What Daniel is saying is the sacrifices will end AND the abomination set up on the same day, and from that day, 1290 days later some unknown event will take place. It could be the cleansing of the temple.  The 1335 day will work the same way.  Again, if you wish to count backwards, for some unscriptural reason, go ahead, but I think you will be wrong. 

The text says there will be 1290days after the events described. 

That's it. No more time.

[RonaldBruno]

Debates about how it will all pan out seem to be futile. Pre-tribbers are hunkeres down with their views, Mud-trubbers and Post-tribbers with theirs.

We all need to accept the various views and admit we are not sure. Relax, He'll be here soon enough, then we will see just how it went down.

[Behold]

13 hours ago, JohnD said:

No myth. Scripture quotes.

Beware people like this chap who emphasize subjective prophecies over

direct (objective) quotes from scripture.

Trumpets, seals, bowls vials...

WHEN these events actually happen THEN we will understand them.

The Bible teaches believers will have tribulation 42 months under the beast (Revelation 13:5-18)

he will abate temple sacrifice (Daniel 9:27 / Daniel 12:11) in the middle of the last seven years...

Again... Holy Spirit interpreted scripture verified objective quotes from scripture

rather than human interpreted supposition / predetermination over what the third tow nail on the

dragon means.

How many of you are going to be here once the Beast show up to run the Globe?

I wont be here..

Nor will you, if you are born again.

[iamlamad]

13 hours ago, JohnD said:

The text says there will be 1290days after the events described. 

That's it. No more time.

Where do you get "no more time" from that? It is only saying SOME EVENT will take place on the 1290th day. There WILL BE time: the 1000 year reign of Christ comes later. You are reading into that what was never meant by the Author.

[Last Daze]

31 minutes ago, RonaldBruno said:

We all need to accept the various views and admit we are not sure.

I can agree that we need to accept the fact that people hold various views but I can't accept them all as true because they can't be.  We need to be teachable by the Holy Spirit who will show us the things to come.  The things to come can be known but pride has a way of creating so much noise that His voice becomes indiscernible.  Discussing prophecy is one thing.  Arguing about it is quite another.  

• But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.  John 16:13

When people insist on their eschatological view as the correct one and have little tolerance for those who see things differently, that's fleshly pride that usurps the role of the Holy Spirit.  The study of things to come is a process led by Him.  If we want to be a part of that process, we should do so graciously.

[luigi]

The daily sacrifice that is taken away are the aerial sorties flying overhead by day and by night that shall take the lives of those residing in all of Judea, with insufficient place to run and take cover from its Eastern to Western borders, to its Northern and Southern borders (Isaiah 28:18-20). It is at the end of the first half of this week, from when the aerial sorties stop taking the lives of Judeans daily, and all Judea is desolated that constitute the 1,290 days regarding the abomination of desolation, in which the system of the beast is set up.

Isaiah 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. 19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. 20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

Edited April 10, 2020 by luigi