The Shakings are beginning (written in late 2019)

[Behold]

12 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Did u ever sneak into a christian's cellphone or computer's  history ? You can usually find some traces of whoa whoa whoa hahahahaaaaaa.

Law enforcement smiles....

They understand that you can't actually delete what you've been doing with the Iphone or Laptop screen....

You can erase your "history" and  you can apply Software to remove all "traces"...

But if the LAW gets A computer, and it belonged to someone who was into a criminal activity....

Even if they "slicked" their HD, you can still find all their felonious  stuff.. and then "that'll be 15 yrs" saith the Judge.

God smiles at all this, because before that person was even born God knew what they would be doing with their Iphone or Laptop, or Cable TV...

Edited April 10, 2020 by Behold

[*Zion*]

22 hours ago, Behold said:

Thats an interesting verse.   "Demas loved the world".   And did you notice it does not say....that he'll end up in Hell?

So, if Demas was not born again, he is in hell.  But If he was born again and simply backslid, as Paul is describing, that most Christians will do at least a few extended times in their lifetime walk with the Lord, and not including the "Mini-Backsliding" they are doing when they are watching Cable TV shows that have nudity or profanity in them.... Or Renting RedBox movies that are PG13, or "R"., etc, etc, etc, ..........etc.

I believe that someone can turn back to God with their whole heart, and that God will accept them back, as He demonstrated with the parable of the prodigal son, but if someone is wilfully walking in disobedience to God and living their life away from under the cover of Jesus' covenant, and God's grace; then they also persisting in living OUTSIDE of a reconciliation with Christ.  

We cannot live lives that mock the work of Christ on the cross, can we?  Why would we want to?  It is possible to, little by little, find that we are not cling to Him as we should, and He is gracious to warn us when this happens.  But if we ourselves choose to wilfully harden our hearts, what then?  It is by grace that we turn to Him in the first place, let alone cling on at all.  

As He said, many will say Lord, Lord, didn't we do x y and z in Your name?  Once saved, always saved, Lord.  I have been living apart from you but I just have to believe and hey presto!

Even the demons believe and obey God, they are NOT going to heaven.  Jesus didn't die for them, but He did die that we, who are made in His image, should LIVE with Him.  What's the point if we're not even going to do that?

He even says He will vomit the lukewarm out of His mouth.  Well, that's all the more reason to expect He wants us to be hot.  On fire for Him.

So how can we expect to escape if we ourselves are breaking covenant?

That's how I see it, anyway.

 

 

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Sister Zion

  And that always begs the same ole question,doesn't it? Was he/she ever really Saved in the first place.....it's a lot to think about,isn't it? So many truly believe that there was an altar call,they said a Sinners Prayer & are SAVED-really?Jesus Said,unless one is Born Again,they will NOT enter the Kingdom of God.....

   So,Being Born Again is by FIRE,Holy Spirit Indwells,can a vessel containing the very Spirit of God Almighty fall away? It makes me wonder,I fell away and even I'll tell you....I don't know the answer to that one....was I really Saved or Convicted and halfheartedly claiming to be a "Christian",I think that is the case(or not?lol)

   I hear so many who have backslidden(or so they think-how do you backslide from what you never were? )They fear they have become reprobate,the hardened heart that never can return to flesh(nonsense).....If they had such a hardened heart they would have no remorse.....but where they really Saved?  I think we ought to be very careful of assuring the once Convicted that they were always Saved perhaps they never were,right?

   Yes,indeed,Jesus Died Once for ALL & once Saved you ARE SAVED but SAVED is BORN AGAIN.....if there is no transformation we need to be careful of giving a false assurance,,only God Knows a mans heart....The Once Saved Always Saved message is Gods Promise,yet we must always look at the FRUITS,no fruit,something is wrong......we have to be careful of the things we say

  Don't you agree ,Sis?btw,I love what you said                               With love-in Christ<Kwik

Edited April 10, 2020 by kwikphilly
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[kwikphilly]

39 minutes ago, Sonshine said:

I totally, totally, totally agree, kwik.  I also believe that the unpardonable sin can only be committed by those who have been born again.  A person who has not been saved does not have the Holy Spirit living inside of them, so they can’t possibly commit the unpardonable sin, which is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.  It is those who have been truly convicted and yet have turned away and have rejected the Holy Spirit, who have committed this sin which cannot be forgiven.

Blessings Sis

   I'm glad you do because I'm not completely convinced myself,lol   But yeah,I do lean heavily that way but who am I to say who is Saved & who is not,I can only be mindful of my words to them and be careful not to lead them straight into a ditch!For God Forbid I tell an unbeliever"Don't worry,you are Saved!"and they have only been Convicted by Holy Spirit...that is why I try to Encourage Relationship,Relationship,Relationship-seek Him!

                                                                                                  With love-in Christ Jesus,Kwik

[*Zion*]

46 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

   Yes,indeed,Jesus Died Once for ALL & once Saved you ARE SAVED but SAVED is BORN AGAIN.....if there is no transformation we need to be careful of giving a false assurance,,only God Knows a mans heart....The Once Saved Always Saved message is Gods Promise,yet we must always look at the FRUITS,no fruit,something is wrong......we have to be careful of the things we say

  Don't you agree ,Sis?btw,I love what you said                               With love-in Christ<Kwik

Ah!  Yes, I do!

Something new I did not consider before.  In that, once we are saved, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit, so undoing that seal must take a lot of doing - unless you were never really sealed to begin with, but simply thought you were.  I was coming from the perspective of freewill, that though it is a work of grace, to keep the covenant with Jesus is our choice to make or break.  But there is a seal there, of the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 1v22), which is a pledge and guarantee of our salvation.

It makes a whole heap of sense to me.

Yes we sin, and are still very much capable of it, but it is the growing in the fruits of repentance that keep us from sinning - which must be a continual work.  But if I persist in a lifestyle away from God, was I ever His in the first place?  A thoroughly valid question.

A necessary one in this shaking.  

I also agree that, while it is not our place to pronounce judgement, we can KNOW by the fruit.  Knowing is way different from judging, and it is for our protection as well as it might be for our correction, especially in these times.

Bless you sis, and stay a blessing

[missmuffet]

The Shakings are beginning

 

Perhaps.

[TheBlade]

Reading some talking about saved. I was listening to "Leonard Ravenhill" Don't know him that well. But he was talking about how people come up to get saved and they pray for them pat them on the back and say .. your saved. Something like that and its what he said next "and their all going to hell". Which I think would go in line with what "kwikphilly"  I don't think I agree with just how Ravenhill said it

I find myself getting tried of telling God our Father how sorry I am. Some jobs over my life there comes a time where.. you learn it or your fired. Then hearing the old song by DeGarmo & Key Casual Christian

Something Zion said ... what do some think "sealed until the day of redemption" means

Gideon.. sorry.. not here to derail.. I can delete this

Edited April 10, 2020 by TheBlade

[Wesley L]

On 4/9/2020 at 3:48 PM, *Zion* said:

Just because someone makes the choice to follow Jesus doesn't mean God won't allow them to change their minds.  That's about as unlegalistic as you can get.  We have free will every step of the way.  As long we stay in covenant with Jesus, we are covered.  When we step outside of that covering we are no longer protected by it.  It's our choice.  Sadly, some won't endure with Christ to the very end. 

This part bothers me a bit.

So being saved, being in Christ is just like:
- a Youtube subscription?  You can subscribe and unsubscribe at will?
- walking into the McDonalds? You can enter and leave as you wish?

I am not sure where I can find this in the bible?
 

[*Zion*]

11 minutes ago, Wesley L said:

This part bothers me a bit.

So being saved, being in Christ is just like:
- a Youtube subscription?  You can subscribe and unsubscribe at will?
- walking into the McDonalds? You can enter and leave as you wish?

I am not sure where I can find this in the bible?
 

I am not saying that it's ok for people to just walk away from Jesus.  You are quite right, he is not a subscription, or an order on a product, but the King of Kings and the Lord of Lord - Our God, the All Consuming Fire.  We should not be deceived, He is not mocked.  He is worthy so much more than we could ever give Him.  

And yet, He gives us free will to walk away.  That's our choice, that is on us.  We can break covenant if we so choose, but once we do, we come out from under its protection, providence, grace, seal.

I hope that's cleared things up.  

[Behold]

3 hours ago, *Zion* said:

 if someone is wilfully walking in disobedience to God and living their life away from under the cover of Jesus' covenant, and God's grace; then they also persisting in living OUTSIDE of a reconciliation with Christ.  

Zion,

"when we were yet UNGODLY, Christ died for us..."

"to You that WORKETH NOT< but believeth on GOD who JUSTIFIES THE UNGODLY"....."your FAITH is COUNTED as GOD's Righteousness".  This is the "Gift of Righteousness".

So, when God saved us, we were dead in sin, and unholy.

The Blood Atonement does not make later exceptions, once it has eternally redeemed a living Soul by the process of "new birth".

We are put into the Spirit of God, by "spiritual birth", not by performance.  We the born again have become an "heir of God," and a "joint Heir of Jesus", not because we are good or bad, but because of Jesus's SACRIFICE of BLOOD and Death.

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Lets say you are born and you have a mother who birthed you into this world.   Now,... go and rob banks, kill children, drink blood, worship Satan, and, then kill your parents.

So....did any of that behavior stop you from ..  1. Being Born?     2. Being your mother's Son?

And why?  Its because your birth is not OF YOU.......so, what you do later with your LIFE/Behavior can't undo your BIRTH or your Status as "her son"

Likewise, your "new birth" "in Christ", is NOT of you.  And you are IN God's family, NOT because of you.

You are a SON of GOD, by = NEW BIRTH thru CHRIST......... and so, you have the rest of your life to determine if you are a good Son of God or a very pathetic Son of God, but, a SON YOU WILL REMAIN, says the Blood Atonement.

Here is a final thought for you...

When God saved you, that day you were born again....> He knew already every sin you will commit AFTER you are born again, right until the day you die.....and YET< .. God saved you anyway.    Notice that?

Zion, God saved you while KNOWING you would SIN MORE after He did........and He SAVED YOU ANYWAY.

And its the same with DEMAS and all the other Born Again.

"not by works of righteousness that we have done, but according to GOD'S MERCY, = HE SAVED US"..

Edited April 10, 2020 by Behold