Timing of the parables in Matthew 25

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18 minutes ago, abcdef said:

John the Baptist and Jesus both said that the kingdom was at hand. Matt 3:2 and Matt 4:17. 

So there wasn't a kingdom of the gift/indwelling of the Holy Spirit until Pentecost. 

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The H.S. has been at work since the creation. It has shown itself in different ways.

The H.S. might fall on someone, but it is not the same as the indwelling gift of Acts 2:38.

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The O.T. saints are not born again and will not be. They are saved, but not born again into the kingdom under the new covenant that John and Jesus said was coming, only those from Pentecost onward have the gift.

 

"At hand"' began the moment Jesus rose from the dead and make the born again road possible.

This is where those in the upper room were born again: Of couRSE they received the HS then. Just so you know, this was before Pentecost. 

John 20:22

And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

 

Acts 2:38 is exactly as we see here in John 20. It is the Holy Spirit WITHIN.  Pentecost was God giving the ANOINTING (on or upon) to all who wish to receive it. Sadly today few who are born again chose.  

 

It seems you too have missed Acts 1 in your Christian walk, or you would know the difference between being born again and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit upon. 

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2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

"At hand"' began the moment Jesus rose from the dead and make the born again road possible.

This is where those in the upper room were born again: Of couRSE they received the HS then. Just so you know, this was before Pentecost. 

John 20:22

And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

 

Acts 2:38 is exactly as we see here in John 20. It is the Holy Spirit WITHIN.  Pentecost was God giving the ANOINTING (on or upon) to all who wish to receive it. Sadly today few who are born again chose.  

 

It seems you too have missed Acts 1 in your Christian walk, or you would know the difference between being born again and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit upon. 

Being born again, receiving the gift of the H.S., and becoming a member of the Pentecost kingdom, all happen at baptism. But that is another thread.

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When does the judgment of good and evil happen that is shown in Matt 25:31-46?

The 10 virgins parable would be the time just before the bridegroom comes, just before the judgment of good and evil.

Which coming of Jesus coming is that? When the Bridegroom comes?

It says the "kingdom" is shown in the parable, so the kingdom must still be on planet earth, waiting for Jesus, the bridegroom.

But then the judgment, when does this Judgment happen in the time line? 

 

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1 hour ago, abcdef said:

Being born again, receiving the gift of the H.S., and becoming a member of the Pentecost kingdom, all happen at baptism. But that is another thread.

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When does the judgment of good and evil happen that is shown in Matt 25:31-46?

The 10 virgins parable would be the time just before the bridegroom comes, just before the judgment of good and evil.

Which coming of Jesus coming is that? When the Bridegroom comes?

It says the "kingdom" is shown in the parable, so the kingdom must still be on planet earth, waiting for Jesus, the bridegroom.

But then the judgment, when does this Judgment happen in the time line? 

 

I think Matthew tells us when the judgment of the nations happens:  

³¹ “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. ³² All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. ³³ He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

It is going to be shortly after the battle of Armageddon. John does not tell us how long it will take to "sit on His glorious throne."  Days? Weeks? Months? I would not think too long. 

Right, the ten virgins is just before He comes - as shown in Rev. 19.  

As for "kingdom" I think we call it the Millennial Kingdom, but it could also be called the Kingdom of God on earth. 

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2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

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I think Matthew tells us when the judgment of the nations happens:  

³¹ “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. ³² All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. ³³ He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

 

 

Since this shows the eternal judgment of the good and evil v 46, this can only be the judgment seen in Rev 20, after the fire from heaven.

At this point, in your time line, do people see the face of Jesus or not?

 

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

 

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It is going to be shortly after the battle of Armageddon.

After the battle of Armageddon is the 7th vial. It shows the total destruction of this planet where no one survives. There is nothing left but a planet of fire. 

The 7th vial shows the stone of Dan. 2 striking and the fire from heaven of Rev 20.

When it says that the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into 3 parts, it means (symbolic) that the stone/fire from the sky is a direct hit on Jerusalem.

All the saved will be taken up to Jesus before the stone strikes.

 

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

 

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John does not tell us how long it will take to "sit on His glorious throne."  Days? Weeks? Months? I would not think too long. 

He will always be on His glorious throne in heaven. Neither Jesus or His glorious throne will be on this planet. 

 

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

 

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Right, the ten virgins is just before He comes - as shown in Rev. 19.

Rev 19 shows the end of the Roman Empire, the sea beast, who is defeated by the gospel, because of the gospel. It is not future.

The "slaying" is spiritual and is the conversion into the gospel kingdom. The gospel causes people to die to the world through baptism and rise in the newness of life.

The "sword" coming out of His mouth is symbolic of the scriptures and the gospel.

Also notice that their is a remnant in v 21 who is the earthbeast.

John sees the heavens opened, but it does not say that Jesus returns to planet earth, He is seen in heaven.

  

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As for "kingdom" I think we call it the Millennial Kingdom, but it could also be called the Kingdom of God on earth. 

The gift of the Holy Spirit kingdom, that began on Pentecost, is the kingdom of God on planet earth and the mill kingdom.

It is a spiritual kingdom and always will be from Pentecost onward.

Jesus will not be coming back to rule planet earth. He is only coming for the kingdom, then this planet is turned to fire.

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The 10 virgins are showing the time between 70 AD and Jesus coming for those who are his at the 2nd resurrection of 1 Cor 15:23-24. Then comes the end.

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29 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Since this shows the eternal judgment of the good and evil v 46, this can only be the judgment seen in Rev 20, after the fire from heaven.

At this point, in your time line, do people see the face of Jesus or not?

 

After the battle of Armageddon is the 7th vial. It shows the total destruction of this planet where no one survives. There is nothing left but a planet of fire. 

The 7th vial shows the stone of Dan. 2 striking and the fire from heaven of Rev 20.

When it says that the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into 3 parts, it means (symbolic) that the stone/fire from the sky is a direct hit on Jerusalem.

All the saved will be taken up to Jesus before the stone strikes.

 

He will always be on His glorious throne in heaven. Neither Jesus or His glorious throne will be on this planet. 

 

The gift of the Holy Spirit kingdom, that began on Pentecost, is the kingdom of God on planet earth and the mill kingdom.

It is a spiritual kingdom and always will be from Pentecost onward.

Jesus will not be coming back to rule planet earth. He is only coming for the kingdom, then this planet is turned to fire.

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The 10 virgins are showing the time between 70 AD and Jesus coming for those who are his at the 2nd resurrection of 1 Cor 15:23-24. Then comes the end.

Rev. 20 covers well over  a thousand years! But I am sure John wrote things in the proper order. John mentioned fire from heaven to destroy those attacking God at the end of the 1000 years.  On the other hand, Jesus gets His throne set up at the beginning of the 1000 years. He will judge from His throne FOR the 1000 years.  

See His face? NO one knows if His face will be seen by sinners at the rapture. If so, John may only hint of it.  It will SURELY be seen at Armageddon. 

After the battle of Armageddon is the 7th vial.   Why do you insist on rearranging what John has written? John shows the 7th vial in chapter 16 and armageddon in chapter 19. Just that should tell you that Armageddon will come After the 7th vial that ends the week. It should be: After the the 7th vial. will be the battle of Armageddon.

It shows the total destruction of this planet where no one survives. There is nothing left but a planet of fire.   Scripture and verse, please: I have never read a verse like this.  I think you are reading into a verse what it is not saying. 

The 7th vial shows the stone of Dan. 2 striking and the fire from heaven of Rev 20.  Verse please. I think this is imagination. 

When it says that the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into 3 parts, it means (symbolic) that the stone/fire from the sky is a direct hit on Jerusalem.  Why not just believe what it says: it was a very bad earthquake. No need to symbolize anything here.  You do realize, someone else will make it a symbol of something ELSE!  Just leave it as an earthquake. 

The rest of your post is myth 

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6 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

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Rev. 20 covers well over  a thousand years! But I am sure John wrote things in the proper order. John mentioned fire from heaven to destroy those attacking God at the end of the 1000 years. 

Yes, the end of the mill kingdom, which is coming to a swift end now that Jerusalem is surrounded by Magog.

 

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On the other hand, Jesus gets His throne set up at the beginning of the 1000 years. He will judge from His throne FOR the 1000 years.  

Not on earth. His throne is set up now in heaven Heb 12:18-29, in the heavenly eternal Jerusalem.

The throne will NEVER be on this planet.

 

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See His face? NO one knows if His face will be seen by sinners at the rapture. If so, John may only hint of it.  It will SURELY be seen at Armageddon. 

OK, it's a trick question. No one can see His face and live Ex 33:20. So if His face is seen on the throne in planet earth Jerusalem, everyone who sees it will die, for 1000 years, that is, maybe He will wear a paper bag over His head, ha ha.

No really, Jesus can't reign on earth with people seeing His face, everyone will be dead. Look at what happens at the judgment of Rev 20 when He is on the throne there, heaven and earth fly away from His face.

 

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After the battle of Armageddon is the 7th vial.   Why do you insist on rearranging what John has written? John shows the 7th vial in chapter 16 and armageddon in chapter 19. Just that should tell you that Armageddon will come After the 7th vial that ends the week. It should be: After the the 7th vial. will be the battle of Armageddon.

Rev 19 is not Armageddon, it is showing the gospel victory over the Roman Empire.

Remember the statue in Dan. 2? See how the kingdom, which started on Pentecost, just after the iron started, caused the statue iron first to divide at the legs, and then be divided into 10 toes (10 is symbolic of complete division.) The division into 10 shows the end of the Roman Empire, that is what is being shown in Rev 19. The end of the first seabeast.

 

6 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

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It shows the total destruction of this planet where no one survives. There is nothing left but a planet of fire.   Scripture and verse, please: I have never read a verse like this.  I think you are reading into a verse what it is not saying. 

Again, you are missing that the stories in the Rev. are reppppeating over and over.  The 7th vial is the fire from heaven, the stone striking, that causes the earthquake.

The whole key to the 7 vials is that after the 7th vial men will enter the temple of God Rev 15:8. Men only enter the heavenly temple Rev 15:5, after they are physically dead and have passed through the final judgment to enter heaven and the temple there. So before men can enter the heavenly temple this heaven and earth must fly away at the Rev 20 judgment. Then the eternal temple in the new heavens and earth is entered.

 

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The 7th vial shows the stone of Dan. 2 striking and the fire from heaven of Rev 20.  Verse please. I think this is imagination. 

The "stone" of Dan. 2, is "His star", that was seen by the wise men who were led to Jesus at His birth.

His "star", is the fire from heaven. 

Now we call them asteroids.

This is a big one, a planet destroyer..

It will strike, and destroy the planet, turning it to fire, exactly as it says at the 7th trumpet, 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to the 200 mill army from across the Euphrates and Magog.

 

6 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Ok, it's an earthquake, but what causes an earthquake of that magnitude? No more islands or mountains on planet earth? What would cause all the mountains to go flat?

 

6 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

 

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The rest of your post is myth 

It might seem so, at first.

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9 hours ago, abcdef said:

Rev 19 is not Armageddon, it is showing the gospel victory over the Roman Empire.

Remember the statue in Dan. 2? See how the kingdom, which started on Pentecost, just after the iron started, caused the statue iron first to divide at the legs, and then be divided into 10 toes (10 is symbolic of complete division.) The division into 10 shows the end of the Roman Empire, that is what is being shown in Rev 19. The end of the first seabeast.

 

The "stone" of Dan. 2, is "His star", that was seen by the wise men who were led to Jesus at His birth.

His "star", is the fire from heaven. 

Now we call them asteroids.

This is a big one, a planet destroyer..

It will strike, and destroy the planet, turning it to fire, exactly as it says at the 7th trumpet, 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to the 200 mill army from across the Euphrates and Magog.

 

Ok, it's an earthquake, but what causes an earthquake of that magnitude? No more islands or mountains on planet earth? What would cause all the mountains to go flat?

 

It might seem so, at first.

Rev 19 is not Armageddon  Let's just believe John, shall we? Rev. 16: SEE where the armies are gathered. OF COURSE Rev. 19 is the battle of Armageddon. You remain 180 degrees out from the rest of the church world - for some unknown reason. 

¹⁴ For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

¹⁶ And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

the end of the Roman Empire, that is what is being shown in Rev 19 Please show us a verse that gives you this idea. Until you do, this is only wild imagination.  Revelation 19 is some unknown time AFTER the end of the 70th week. First it rejoicing over the judgment of the great whore- the mystery city of Jerusalem that deceived the whole world. The it is the marriage and supper in heaven.  Then Armageddon. 

Ah! Perhaps you imagine that the great whore is the Roman Empire? NOT! Never! John TOLD US in was "that great city" and in another verse told us that the "great city" in HIS MIND was the city of Jerusalem. My friend, we have to go by what is written, not imagination  Search "great city" in Revelation.  Surely you realize that the Beast and False Prophet are going to spend their 3.5 years in Jerusalem, not the Vatican and certainly not Rome. What city will the TRUE Messiah come? We know: His feet will touch down in JERUSALEM, on the mount of Olives. 

The "stone" of Dan. 2, is "His star", that was seen by the wise men who were led to Jesus at His birth. More imagination. 

It will strike, and destroy the planet, turning it to fire, exactly as it says at the 7th trumpet, 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to the 200 mill army from across the Euphrates and Magog.  More imagination! Every point here is imagination. First, the 7th trumpett is where a LEGAL transaction takes place in the throne room of heaven: the kingdoms of the earth are LEGALLY taken from Satan and given to Jesus.  Sorry, no fire. That is imagination. I hope you understand, chapter 12 comes next and there are still PEOPLE very much alive on the earth. Chapter 13 comes next in time, and more people on the earth. Chapter 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19 come after that, and they all prove your fire theory is BOGUS. It is your imagination.  We have to go by what is written, not imagination. 

The 200 million army is ANGELS, not men. And these angels are led by more angels. And they are not going after Jerusalem: they are to kill 1/3 of earth's population. Surely you have read and studied these scriptures? Try reading a little closer. The population of Jerusalem is no where near 1//3 the population of the world!  So this is just more imagination. 

What will cause such an earthquake? It will be caused when God raises the saints from the Old Testament, which will include those from before the flood. Think of it! Those bodies from before the flood will have long long turned to dust. And that dust from one body could be spread for miles from the burial site, and be miles deep. But God will bring all those particles of those bodies back together and that will cause a TREMENDOUS earthquake. Did you not read in John that God will raise up the Old Testament saints "on the last day?" The 7th vial will be the last 24 hour day of the 70th week. 

I don't know what goes on in your thinking; all I know is, your theories are miles apart from the general consensus of the body of Jesus Christ on earth today: the general assembly and church of the firstborn, as Hebrews put it.  

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30 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

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Rev 19 is not Armageddon  Let's just believe John, shall we? Rev. 16: SEE where the armies are gathered. OF COURSE Rev. 19 is the battle of Armageddon. You remain 180 degrees out from the rest of the church world - for some unknown reason. 

Yes, you are dealing with many people who partially agree with you on the literal 7 year time line. But even among them there is great debate about the details, the total number of resurrections for example. 

 

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¹⁴ For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

¹⁶ And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

 

This is happening right now. 

Understand that the dragon/beast/false prophet, is embodied in the person who rules the iron Roman Empire, Caesar and the "image" of Caesar the Bishop of Rome (BoR).

The Vatican already has a treaty with the kings of the east, Iran. 

You have to understand that Rome and the Vatican have killed countless Israelites of the broken branches for centuries and centuries, trying to exterminate them.

This army heads for Jerusalem from across the Euphrates.

Who is in charge in Jerusalem at this point? The Antichrist or Israel?

Who is the army coming to attack? Israelites or the Antichrist?

 

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the end of the Roman Empire, that is what is being shown in Rev 19 Please show us a verse that gives you this idea. Until you do, this is only wild imagination.

Rev 19:19-21. The beast and false prophet are Caesar and Rome, the iron nation in the statue of Dan.2 and the 4th beast of Dan. 7. The events shown are the death of the seabeast.

The gospel sword is the weapon that Jesus uses to defeat them. (In the Dan. 2, the statue iron divides into 10, the number of complete division, symbolic) 

The souls of the beast and Caesars from that time period are shown being thrown into the fire.

But there is a remnant, the earthbeast, who continues the fight against the Pentecost gospel kingdom and the natural broken off natural branches.

 

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  Revelation 19 is some unknown time AFTER the end of the 70th week. First it rejoicing over the judgment of the great whore- the mystery city of Jerusalem that deceived the whole world. The it is the marriage and supper in heaven.  Then Armageddon. 

The 70 weeks ended when Israel broke the covenant, confirmed by Jesus, then the gentiles were allowed into the gospel Pentecost kingdom. 37 AD

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The woman of Rev 17 is the city of Jerusalem.

But the "seat" of the beast that she sits on is Rome in 96 AD.

This is shown in Rev 17:3 where John is taken to the wilderness of the gentile nations. 

The Rev 17 passage shows the situation in 96 ad. Jerusalem has been taken as a slave to Rome. The mark of possession is on her forehead, the mark of the beast, Caesar.

She is fighting against the kingdom along with Rome, in league with Rome.

This attack on the kingdom is shown in the letters to the congregations in chs. 2-3.

 

30 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

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Ah! Perhaps you imagine that the great whore is the Roman Empire? NOT! Never! John TOLD US in was "that great city" and in another verse told us that the "great city" in HIS MIND was the city of Jerusalem. My friend, we have to go by what is written, not imagination  Search "great city" in Revelation. 

You are far from the general perception on that point, but I do agree that the woman is Jerusalem, she sits on the seat of the iron legs/toes seat of the beast Rome in 96 AD.

 

30 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

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Surely you realize that the Beast and False Prophet are going to spend their 3.5 years in Jerusalem, not the Vatican and certainly not Rome. What city will the TRUE Messiah come? We know: His feet will touch down in JERUSALEM, on the mount of Olives. 

You are right about the 3 1/2, but it is not literal years, it is 3 1/2 times, from 70 AD until 1967, the months and days are symbolic. The 2nd 3 1/2 times.

This already happened. It is symbolic of the division that happens to Jerusalem, (the holy mountain Dan.9:16), when the new covenant Pentecost kingdom gospel comes, it divides the spiritual mountain of the people of Jerusalem.

Like so many O.T. passages, many take the symbols as literal, disregarding the deeper meanings. 

 

30 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

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The "stone" of Dan. 2, is "His star", that was seen by the wise men who were led to Jesus at His birth. More imagination. 

Yes this is speculation on my part, an assumption, but not without some possible evidence that it may be what is happening.

Abram left Ur headed for the promised land. God led him there. How did God lead him, a star? possibly.

The kings of the east were led by "a star" at the birth of Jesus, "His star".

So what is this star that moved across the sky?

In ancient times they called the sun and stars fires in the sky. The comets were often referred to as that. In ancient China they were pictured as fire breathing dragons.

But in the description it appears that it was not a comet because it would have been described as a fire in the sky instead of a star that had no tail.

So in modern terms this star was probably a very large asteroid.

Now consider this, the asteroid is the result of a collision in space where it was cut from a mountain without human hands long ago.

Now it orbits about every 2000 years, last passing the planet when Jesus was born.

This time it will hit the planet, a direct hit on Jerusalem, 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to the armies of Iran (the kings of the east) and Magog (the gentile nations). The kingdom will be resurrected/raptured away before the stone strikes.

This is shown at the 7th/last trumpet, the 7th vial, and the fire from heaven in Rev 20 is the stone striking.

The Rev is not one continual time line, it is broken, showing the same events from different points of view.

 

30 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

 

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It will strike, and destroy the planet, turning it to fire, exactly as it says at the 7th trumpet, 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to the 200 mill army from across the Euphrates and Magog.  More imagination! Every point here is imagination. First, the 7th trumpett is where a LEGAL transaction takes place in the throne room of heaven: the kingdoms of the earth are LEGALLY taken from Satan and given to Jesus.  Sorry, no fire. That is imagination. I hope you understand, chapter 12 comes next and there are still PEOPLE very much alive on the earth. Chapter 13 comes next in time, and more people on the earth. Chapter 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19 come after that, and they all prove your fire theory is BOGUS. It is your imagination.  We have to go by what is written, not imagination.

Rev is not one continual time line.

Even you agree that the time line is broken in several places.

We just disagree about the when and timing of the time line breaks.

 

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The 200 million army is ANGELS, not men. And these angels are led by more angels. And they are not going after Jerusalem: they are to kill 1/3 of earth's population. Surely you have read and studied these scriptures? Try reading a little closer. The population of Jerusalem is no where near 1//3 the population of the world!  So this is just more imagination. 

They are humans with false teacher devil spirits from across the Euphrates, headed for Jerusalem. Isa.9:15, Rev 9:10, Rev 9:19.

This is a good example of taking the symbols as literal entities. 

The descriptions that are given are showing the spiritual traits of the people in the army. 

 

30 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

 

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What will cause such an earthquake? It will be caused when God raises the saints from the Old Testament, which will include those from before the flood. Think of it! Those bodies from before the flood will have long long turned to dust. And that dust from one body could be spread for miles from the burial site, and be miles deep. But God will bring all those particles of those bodies back together and that will cause a TREMENDOUS earthquake. Did you not read in John that God will raise up the Old Testament saints "on the last day?" The 7th vial will be the last 24 hour day of the 70th week. 

Speculation.

The first resurrection was Jesus and all the O.T. saints, gentile and Israelites.

The 2nd resurrection is for the kingdom, then comes the end 1 Cor 15:23-28.

2 resurrections.

First the good only, then the good and evil, John 5:25-29. 

 

30 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

 

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I don't know what goes on in your thinking; all I know is, your theories are miles apart from the general consensus of the body of Jesus Christ on earth today: the general assembly and church of the firstborn, as Hebrews put it.  

1.1 billion Roman Catholics believe that you are not a Christian.

When Jesus said that His kingdom was not of this world, it was the opposite of what the vast majority of Israelites believed at that time. They were looking for a material world kingdom with a material army and a material capital in Jerusalem.

But it turns out that the kingdom is spiritual and the city of Jerusalem where Jesus rules eternally is spiritual Heb. 12:18-24.

People still want to believe that it will become a material kingdom, but that will never happen, even though it is popular. 

 

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18 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I think Matthew tells us when the judgment of the nations happens:  

³¹ “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. ³² All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. ³³ He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

It is going to be shortly after the battle of Armageddon. John does not tell us how long it will take to "sit on His glorious throne."  Days? Weeks? Months? I would not think too long. 

Right, the ten virgins is just before He comes - as shown in Rev. 19.  

 

So according to your time line, the 10 virgin period is just before the Rev 19 events. Assuming that Matt 24, on your time line, is the trib and the trib is done at the 7th vial.

Does the 10 virgin time period include the 7 times trib, 3 1/2 times, or does it cover only the time between the 7th vial and the ch 19 events?

Just how long do you expect the 10 virgin time period to be? months? years? centuries? 1000's?

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Doesn't this contradict what you said when we were discussing the resurrections? If this 10 virgin passage shows a resurrection and eternal judgment of good and evil at the same time?

And then according to the literal 7 year trib time line, there are at least 1, or more resurrections shown before this one. A "pre 7 year trib resurrection/rapture" , 5th seal resurrection, a mid-trib resurrection (2  W's), a Rev 14 resurrection, that all happen before this one? How many resurrections do you have?

There are only 2, 1 Cor 15:23-28,23-24, John 5:25-29. 

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Matt 24, Mk 13, and Lk 21, are about the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem and the times of the gentiles that happen until Israel is restored to Jerusalem, (1967). (Lk 21:20-24, 24, They are killed by the sword, now they use guns not swords.)

The 10 virgin time period is from 70 AD until Jesus comes for the kingdom. Then it is the end where death is destroyed Rev 20, 1 Cor 15:23-28.

The 10 virgin time period is what we are in now. We are at the end, just before the eternal judgment maybe only a few years or months away, after Jerusalem falls.

The 10 virgins are showing the gospel Pentecost kingdom of Israel on planet earth, both wild branches and some natural branches. 

Notice the time period between when the cry happens and the actual coming of the bridegroom, that is where we are now.

The bridegroom is coming, He will be here a few days after Jerusalem falls to Magog and the kings of the east Iran.

Jerusalem is surrounded right now, it is only a matter of a short time now.

Prophetic events are happening now where the outcome cannot be changed.

Jerusalem will fall, Israel will die, the resurrection/rapture will happen, then this planet will be destroyed.

 

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1 hour ago, abcdef said:

So according to your time line, the 10 virgin period is just before the Rev 19 events. Assuming that Matt 24, on your time line, is the trib and the trib is done at the 7th vial.

Does the 10 virgin time period include the 7 times trib, 3 1/2 times, or does it cover only the time between the 7th vial and the ch 19 events?

Just how long do you expect the 10 virgin time period to be? months? years? centuries? 1000's?

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Doesn't this contradict what you said when we were discussing the resurrections? If this 10 virgin passage shows a resurrection and eternal judgment of good and evil at the same time?

And then according to the literal 7 year trib time line, there are at least 1, or more resurrections shown before this one. A "pre 7 year trib resurrection/rapture" , 5th seal resurrection, a mid-trib resurrection (2  W's), a Rev 14 resurrection, that all happen before this one? How many resurrections do you have?

There are only 2, 1 Cor 15:23-28,23-24, John 5:25-29. 

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Matt 24, Mk 13, and Lk 21, are about the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem and the times of the gentiles that happen until Israel is restored to Jerusalem, (1967). (Lk 21:20-24, 24, They are killed by the sword, now they use guns not swords.)

The 10 virgin time period is from 70 AD until Jesus comes for the kingdom. Then it is the end where death is destroyed Rev 20, 1 Cor 15:23-28.

The 10 virgin time period is what we are in now. We are at the end, just before the eternal judgment maybe only a few years or months away, after Jerusalem falls.

The 10 virgins are showing the gospel Pentecost kingdom of Israel on planet earth, both wild branches and some natural branches. 

Notice the time period between when the cry happens and the actual coming of the bridegroom, that is where we are now.

The bridegroom is coming, He will be here a few days after Jerusalem falls to Magog and the kings of the east Iran.

Jerusalem is surrounded right now, it is only a matter of a short time now.

Prophetic events are happening now where the outcome cannot be changed.

Jerusalem will fall, Israel will die, the resurrection/rapture will happen, then this planet will be destroyed.

 

So according to your time line, the 10 virgin period is just before the Rev 19 events. Assuming that Matt 24, on your time line, is the trib and the trib is done at the 7th vial.

Does the 10 virgin time period include the 7 times trib, 3 1/2 times, or does it cover only the time between the 7th vial and the ch 19 events?

Just how long do you expect the 10 virgin time period to be? months? years? centuries? 1000's?

There is no timing given  in the 10 virgins parable, but from the story, it seems the time of the bridegroom coming is imminent. From the context, "immediately after the tribulation of those days" and comparing that with Revelation, it would be the time between the 7th vial that ends the week, and His coming in Rev. 19.  I can only guess on that time, but my guess is, around 30 days. I think it will be the time of the marriage supper.  By the way, this is not "my" timeline, I am just copying John's and Matthew's timeline.  

No, it cannot include the entire 70th week for Jesus said, "after the tribulation of those days..." It does not even include the last 3.5 years for they are the years of GT.  does it cover only the time between the 7th vial and the ch 19 events?  YES. 

Doesn't this contradict what you said when we were discussing the resurrections? If this 10 virgin passage shows a resurrection and eternal judgment of good and evil at the same time? No and no. The parable of the virgins is only about the marriage and the door being shut. There is no resurrection mentioned in Matthew 25. However, the Old Testament saints have to get to the marriage for they will be guests. Therefore I think their resurrection is AT the 7th vial. The door being shut would be at the time of the 7th vial, IMHO. 

There are only 2, 1 Cor 15:23-28,23-24, John 5:25-29.  Right, ONLY TWO: one for the righteous and one for damned.  Therefore, you can answer your questions yourself: ALL the righteous must fit somehow into that "first" or primary resurrection.  This is not acccording to anyone's "timeeline." somehow, even iif someone is a posttribber, those beheaded during the days of GT Must get resurrected. The 144,000 are seen in chapter 14 IN heaven. How did they get there? Both the church and the Old testament saints must sometime  be resurrected. It is HIGHLY unlikely both are resurrected together.  Poststrib makes it easy; just raise them all at the same time! Only that theory does not fit so many scriptures.

As usual, the rest of your post is myth or human imagination - or both.