Will Christians who don't fully obey the bible go to heaven?

[justme007]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Unbelievers are in danger of hell. You say that you have studied the Bible thoughly and you know that is what the Bible teaches. 

Romans 11:32, study it carefully, as well as the Entire Epistle Romans 9-11. The BLESSED Verse is saying that the ones who are not believing are not doing it by choice - everything is totally CONTROLLED BY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

there is a wonderful purpose, that is a mystery to us, behind everyone's belief or unbelief - that is what the BLESSED Verse is saying

[Willa]

17 hours ago, Ineedhugs said:

Yeah but the bible says to repent of sins to. Like if our sins were so bad that the son of God had to be nailed to a cross for us to be forgiven then you can't seriously think it's alright to go on sinning? Your mocking what he did.

Don't get me wrong. If you convert at 20 and die at 85 there might be countless times you sinned in between, because your right we have a sin nature, but for every sin you do you must confess it and genuinely repent. 

I don't believe that any person who is born again truly desires to keep on sinning. That would be to live in darkness. The Holy Spirit makes us so miserable when we don't repent and seek God's face that, having once known the peace and joy of being His child we hate being back in the dark pig sty, stinking and feeling filthy.   We earnestly desire to be cleansed and in fellowship with God and other Christians again.  I know of no born again Christian who thinks it is OK to go on sinning.

", but for every sin you do you must confess it and genuinely repent." 

If that were true we would have no need for the Blood of Christ:  1Jn 1:7 AMP But if we [really] are living and walking in the Light, as He [Himself] is in the Light, we have [true, unbroken] fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses (removes) us from all sin and guilt [keeps us cleansed from sin in all its forms and manifestations].

It sounds like not being in fellowship with other believers is the sin we must be faithful to repair.  The first commandment is to love God and the second is to love others, especially fellowship with believers.  When we live in the light of the Scriptures and the leading of the Holy Spirit we live in harmony with God and others.  So even though we stumble occasionally Christ's blood continues to cleanse us.  We fail daily and often aren't even aware of the imperfections that others see.

 Usually bad attitudes like rebellion, pride, hatred, unforgiveness or self righteousness are what cause a break in fellowship and create the need to repent.

[shortangel]

great perspectives here

[Alive]

If you are born from above and were included by God into Christ's work on the Cross, then you are a child of God and your destiny is heaven....period.

You have entered through the Way--which is Christ. In actual fact, you are already there. Few statements in scripture as as emphatic and clear.

Col. 3:3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

[David1701]

14 hours ago, OneLight said:

I believe God created each person with enough belief that there is a God to entice them to seek Him, enough to start the search to answer the little nagging interest we have as kids.  The more we learn about God, the more our faith grows.  When we finally come to the point of salvation, His grace works through the faith He gave us to build upon to create the relationship He desires to have with us.  There is no horse and cart in this, just God and His creation.

You have made this up, from start to finish, so it is not surprising that you have provided no Scriptural evidence.

Unbelievers, by definition, have no faith in God.  They know that there is a God, because of the undeniable evidence of creation, but they have no faith in him.

[Sower]

20 minutes ago, David1701 said:

14 hours ago, OneLight said:

I believe God created each person with enough belief that there is a God to entice them to seek Him, enough to start the search to answer the little nagging interest we have as kids.  The more we learn about God, the more our faith grows.  When we finally come to the point of salvation, His grace works through the faith He gave us to build upon to create the relationship He desires to have with us.  There is no horse and cart in this, just God and His creation.

You have made this up, from start to finish, so it is not surprising that you have provided no Scriptural evidence.

Unbelievers, by definition, have no faith in God.  They know that there is a God, because of the undeniable evidence of creation, but they have no faith in him.

I disagree, David. God choose believers, knowing their future  belief or not. (He is the one who created us:)

Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves;
it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”

Romans 10:17-21 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

I was saved by hearing a tiny nugget of truth, "I must be born again" Thirty years in a works religion
never taught me that. It was the word (God)that drew me.

John 1:1-14  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

God draws through the word. I got a bible and read more of the word =.....truth.....light.
The light replaced/chased out the darkness (bad data-false thinking) and eventually,
I changed my thinking. I repented. I talked to God, and a child was born.
It is easy to be saved, as God made it so. People complicate it to feel they somehow earn it.
It was the word (God) that gave me faith, and faith that gave me salvation.
Anyone who hears/reads the word has a choice to receive it, light, or
to reject it and remain in darkness. Whosoever will.......

John 3:19-21 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world,
and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 

[Don19]

On 6/21/2020 at 9:20 AM, Eddy Crocker said:

In the New Testament we are not under the law but under a love relationship with our creator. With true love if we mess up we get right up and learn from it and better ourselves by not doing the same things again.

 

Yes, it's the kind of love that is owed. It's a reciprocal love of obligation. Hence why in a marriage "benevolence" is "due" (1 Cor 7:3). Many people have a sense of obligation to God. Israel after the flesh had that under the law. But they don't realize that in the New Covenant, God has eternally bound Himself to His people. And, until and unless they believe this, they do not worship Him in spirit and in truth but in the flesh and in vain. We must understand that to believe in Christ is to be sealed by Him, to be His purchased possession. This is the kingdom which Jesus Christ established--which once you're translated into (Col 1:13), you can never leave. Not now, not in eternity. You can never leave Him, because He won't let you; He bought you at a price and you are not your own. Because His name is Jealous (Exodus 34:14) and He is possessive, and He saved you for Himself--just as he created all things for Himself (Col 1:16), including the Christian which is a new creature.

[missmuffet]

17 hours ago, justme007 said:

Romans 11:32, study it carefully, as well as the Entire Epistle Romans 9-11. The BLESSED Verse is saying that the ones who are not believing are not doing it by choice - everything is totally CONTROLLED BY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

there is a wonderful purpose, that is a mystery to us, behind everyone's belief or unbelief - that is what the BLESSED Verse is saying

It sounds like you are Calvinist. I do not support the Calvinist belief. 

[David1701]

2 hours ago, Sower said:

I disagree, David. God choose believers, knowing their future  belief or not. (He is the one who created us:)

Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves;
it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”

Romans 10:17-21 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

I was saved by hearing a tiny nugget of truth, "I must be born again" Thirty years in a works religion
never taught me that. It was the word (God)that drew me.

John 1:1-14  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

God draws through the word. I got a bible and read more of the word =.....truth.....light.
The light replaced/chased out the darkness (bad data-false thinking) and eventually,
I changed my thinking. I repented. I talked to God, and a child was born.
It is easy to be saved, as God made it so. People complicate it to feel they somehow earn it.
It was the word (God) that gave me faith, and faith that gave me salvation.
Anyone who hears/reads the word has a choice to receive it, light, or
to reject it and remain in darkness. Whosoever will.......

John 3:19-21 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world,
and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 

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I changed my thinking. I repented. I talked to God, and a child was born.

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No, no, no: salvation is of the Lord.  He makes someone born again, He gives repentance and He gives faith.

You make it sound as if your repentance is your own work: it isn't.

2 Tim. 2:25,26 (EMTV)

25 in meekness instructing those that oppose, if God perhaps may give them repentance, to a full knowledge of the truth,
26 and they regain their senses and escape out of the snare of the devil, having been captured alive by him to do his will. 

Phil. 1:29 (HCSB) For it has been given to you on Christ’s behalf not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for Him,

Being born again happens immediately BEFORE repentance and faith in the Lord.

1 John 5:1 (ESV) Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.

The word "believes" is present tense but "has been born of God" is perfect tense (happened in the past, with the result continuing in the present), so having been born of God happens first, then faith in Jesus Christ.

[OneLight]

3 hours ago, David1701 said:

You have made this up, from start to finish, so it is not surprising that you have provided no Scriptural evidence.

Unbelievers, by definition, have no faith in God.  They know that there is a God, because of the undeniable evidence of creation, but they have no faith in him.

How can you, who knows nothing about me, say I made this up from start to finish?  It was through my personal experience I spoke, but it is also through His words that it comes to pass.

Romans 1:18-21

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.  For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

John 3:16-17

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.  For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.