Fine Linen is the Righteousness of Saints

[Diaste]

"fine linen is the righteousness of saints." - Rev 19:8

An obvious reference to the saints, holy ones, set apart people unlike the world and like God, or the Church.

"just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints." - Rev 15:3

Same here. The saints from Rev 19 are the church. Translated from the word 'hagios' and in Rev 19 it's the redeemed church.

Beside these two times 'hagios' occurs 11 more times in Revelation.

We see the prayers of hagios 3 times in Rev 5 and Rev 8. We see the rewards to the hagios in Rev 11. In Rev 13 and 14 we see the patience and faith of hagios. Again in Rev 20 we see the hagios surrounded in the city at the end of the Millennium.

In Rev 16, 17 and 18 we the punishments meted to those who have shed the blood of the hagios and the prophets.

In all these we see our Father hears us, rewards us, lauds patience and faith, protects us and avenges us. Now that is great stuff. Our God, our Father is indeed mighty beyond compare and He cares for us, deeply and eternally. And he defeats His enemies and ours every time. I like that. Personally I'm weary of the enemy ruling in the heart and mind of man and destroying everything.

So all these times we see hagios it's the saints of God, the church of Jesus Christ, the set apart ones in the righteousness of Christ.

So then this one mention must be the same group, yes?

"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them." - Rev 13:7

[Last Daze]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

So then this one mention must be the same group, yes?

Yes.  Saints are those whose faith is in God.  Faith in God is counted as righteousness.  Faith in God calls people out of the world, to be separate.  Faith produces works of righteousness.  Both old testament and new testament saints make up the bride of Christ, the Lamb's wife according to Revelation 21:9-14.  The common denominator is faith in God.

[wingnut-]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

So then this one mention must be the same group, yes?

 

Yes.

[Marilyn C]

14 hours ago, Diaste said:

"fine linen is the righteousness of saints." - Rev 19:8

An obvious reference to the saints, holy ones, set apart people unlike the world and like God, or the Church.

 

 

Hi Diaste,

You will remember that we need to clarify `holy ones,` (meaning angels or saints) and see who Jesus actually says comes with Him.

`they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds with power & great glory.

And He will send His angels..`                            (Matt.24: 30 & 31)

 

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

 

`the Son of Man comes in His glory, & in the glory of the holy angels.`  (Luke 9: 26)

 

`when Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God,..` (2 Thess. 1: 7)

 

 

These Holy angels are the army who come with Jesus when he brings vengeance upon the ungodly.

 

`Then I saw heaven opened and behold a white horse. And He who sat on him was called faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war....And the armies in heaven clothed in fine white linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.` (Rev. 19: 11 & 14)

 

This is also the description on the angels coming out of the temple in heaven. They symbolically had garments of linen, white and clean. This is to distinguish them as holy angels and not demonic angels.

 

White horses - represent glory and power.

 

Note: angels are also described as wearing `pure white linen.` (Rev. 15: 6) This describes them as `holy angels.`

 

Thus we need to carefully check God`s word so we don`t jump to the wrong conclusions.

 

 

[Uriah]

24 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Diaste,

You will remember that we need to clarify `holy ones,` (meaning angels or saints) and see who Jesus actually says comes with Him.

`they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds with power & great glory.

And He will send His angels..`                            (Matt.24: 30 & 31)

 

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

 

`the Son of Man comes in His glory, & in the glory of the holy angels.`  (Luke 9: 26)

 

`when Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God,..` (2 Thess. 1: 7)

 

 

These Holy angels are the army who come with Jesus when he brings vengeance upon the ungodly.

 

`Then I saw heaven opened and behold a white horse. And He who sat on him was called faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war....And the armies in heaven clothed in fine white linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.` (Rev. 19: 11 & 14)

 

This is also the description on the angels coming out of the temple in heaven. They symbolically had garments of linen, white and clean. This is to distinguish them as holy angels and not demonic angels.

 

White horses - represent glory and power.

 

Note: angels are also described as wearing `pure white linen.` (Rev. 15: 6) This describes them as `holy angels.`

 

Thus we need to carefully check God`s word so we don`t jump to the wrong conclusions.

 

 

I concur. And I don't want to leave out the fact that the bride in Rev. 19 is given the white to wear only at this late hour- when Jesus is seen coming for her on the white horse with the armies of heaven clothed in fine linen. THEN we will be, "like unto the angels" even in our attire. 

[Marilyn C]

1 hour ago, Uriah said:

I concur. And I don't want to leave out the fact that the bride in Rev. 19 is given the white to wear only at this late hour- when Jesus is seen coming for her on the white horse with the armies of heaven clothed in fine linen. THEN we will be, "like unto the angels" even in our attire. 

I`m glad you agree. However  I think we need to realise that we are only `like the angels` in that we don`t marry. (Matt. 22: 30)

We will in fact be like Jesus.

`...we know that when He is revealed, WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM, for we shall see Him as He is.` (1 John 3: 2)

Also Jesus is male and we His BODY, the NEW MAN, will be like Him, male. The BODY of Christ is NOT female! We are NOT the `bride.` Israel is. Plus that description is also used for the city, the New Jerusalem that is inhabited by the OT saints. (Heb. 11: 16)

[Diaste]

7 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Diaste,

You will remember that we need to clarify `holy ones,` (meaning angels or saints) and see who Jesus actually says comes with Him.

`they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds with power & great glory.

And He will send His angels..`                            (Matt.24: 30 & 31)

 

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him...` (Matt. 25: 31)

 

`the Son of Man comes in His glory, & in the glory of the holy angels.`  (Luke 9: 26)

 

`when Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God,..` (2 Thess. 1: 7)

 

 

These Holy angels are the army who come with Jesus when he brings vengeance upon the ungodly.

 

`Then I saw heaven opened and behold a white horse. And He who sat on him was called faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war....And the armies in heaven clothed in fine white linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.` (Rev. 19: 11 & 14)

 

This is also the description on the angels coming out of the temple in heaven. They symbolically had garments of linen, white and clean. This is to distinguish them as holy angels and not demonic angels.

 

White horses - represent glory and power.

 

Note: angels are also described as wearing `pure white linen.` (Rev. 15: 6) This describes them as `holy angels.`

 

Thus we need to carefully check God`s word so we don`t jump to the wrong conclusions.

 

 

I think I was pretty clear in pointing out the 'hagios' and not 'aggelos'. 

In looking back I didn't liken the wearing of fine linen to the saints in every mention. In fact attire wasn't the point at all. The idea was the hijacking of all the positive, desirable things of God but leaving out the rest of the truth, "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them." - Rev 13:7, in relation to 'hagios'.

[Diaste]

7 hours ago, Uriah said:

I concur. And I don't want to leave out the fact that the bride in Rev. 19 is given the white to wear only at this late hour- when Jesus is seen coming for her on the white horse with the armies of heaven clothed in fine linen. THEN we will be, "like unto the angels" even in our attire. 

The idea is; if the hagios are the ones receiving the blessings, salvation, protection in the faith of God as mentioned 12 times in Revelation, and those saints are the church, then the hagios in Rev 13:7 is the same group of hagios, or the church. What say you?

[Diaste]

8 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

`Then I saw heaven opened and behold a white horse. And He who sat on him was called faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war....And the armies in heaven clothed in fine white linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.` (Rev. 19: 11 & 14)

This isn't part of this discussion but it is an important example. It's normally thought because of this, "fine white linen, white and clean" the group seen here is hagios. It's not and I agree with you. There are too many examples, as you pointed out here and in another thread, to show this 'strateuma' is 'aggelos' and not 'hagios'.

[Uriah]

15 hours ago, Diaste said:

The idea is; if the hagios are the ones receiving the blessings, salvation, protection in the faith of God as mentioned 12 times in Revelation, and those saints are the church, then the hagios in Rev 13:7 is the same group of hagios, or the church. What say you?

Of course it is the church being persecuted. Those who say the word "church" is not seen in Revelation are stuck in a word game. The point I make is about the armies of heaven following Jesus as He returns to conquer. Many say that because they are arrayed in white ti must be the church and it is supposed to mean they have been raptured years earlier. With THAT, I disagree.