At the Last Trumpet

[Buddy D. Mouse]

We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.

Paul wrote that in 1 Cor 15 before John had written about 7 trumpets of revelation.

I see a rapture AT THE LAST TRUMPET.

Not 7 or 3 1/2 years BEFORE last trumpet, but AT the last trumpet.

 

[OneLight]

Hope you are ready for a variation of reasons why it "can't" mean that trumpet!  I gave up trying to explain it, so I just say we'll see...

[Keras]

Paul's prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is about what will happen at the Great White Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium. 

Proved by how it is only then that Death is no more. Revelation 21:4

[Buddy D. Mouse]

The words for Trump and trumpet here are Greek SALPIGGI, not ram' s horn (shofar)

[Zemke]

23 hours ago, Episcopius said:

The words for Trump and trumpet here are Greek SALPIGGI, not ram' s horn (shofar)

That's interesting, I hadn't looked at that before. But I did know the silver trumpets in the camp we read about in Numbers 10 could be blown at anytime. While the shofar was designated to be blown at specific times. 

When one silver trumpet was blown it was for the elders to meet and when both where blown the whole camp was called. They were also blown for leaving the camp. It mentions the eastern camp and then the last camp to leave was the southern at the sound of the trumpet.

 Later they settled in Jerusalem and the majority of the city, was on the south and they buried their dead on the east. The dead in Christ shall rise first and then those which are alive and remain will be caught up. At the sound of the trump.

I'm not sure how that all works in Revelation but it does somehow play out. 

 

[Buddy D. Mouse]

Those silver trumpets in Numbers 10 seem to be about "moving out" - I just wonder what Paul had in mind by "last trumpet"

 

[Last Daze]

9 hours ago, Episcopius said:

Those silver trumpets in Numbers 10 seem to be about "moving out" - I just wonder what Paul had in mind by "last trumpet"

Possibly this:

Then the Lord will appear over them,
And His arrow will go forth like lightning;
And the Lord God will blow the trumpet,
And will march in the storm winds of the south.
The Lord of hosts will defend them.
And they will devour and trample on the sling stones;
And they will drink and be boisterous as with wine;
And they will be filled like a sacrificial basin,
Drenched like the corners of the altar.
And the Lord their God will save them in that day
As the flock of His people;
For they are as the stones of a crown,
Sparkling in His land.  Zechariah 9:14-16

Which occurs when God saves Israel.

[Buddy D. Mouse]

Good stuff, LD

 

 

[TheBlade]

Hmm no expert in this at all but...who was Paul talking to? So I don't think every one.. almost no one had the OT Torah on the table at home. And since the book of Rev had not even been written yet .. the readers had no clue about trumpet judgments nor did Paul.  We read this with 2020 hindsight. But Paul wrote this Thes, Cor, when there was no book of Rev. And yeah I don't think everyone had a copy of Pauls or anyones letters. What would the readers at that time understand? Again.. there was NO Rev book.. they would know "feast of Trumpets".. on and on.

We read and.. don't think about the time in which it was written. Just like Pauls first book to the Thessalonian's. We talk as if the they had the whole NT there. We read it and to prove our belief then jump to some other NT book.. that was not even written then.

Strange to me.. this does not even get touched. Good one for me is "there is no more sacrifice for that sin". SO many get stuck there.. and it can really test your faith. Yet if one studied you find Jews that knew Christ would sin and try to go back and offer something for that sin. Paul or the sweet Holy spirit was saying.. there is no more sacrifice for that sin. Can Christ die again? Told them that doing that puts Christ to open shame.

So.. we should always look at this also. OH I am not saying anything about when the late trumpet... just putting things out there to maybe also think about. pray about it ASK HIM! Hes real.. He talks.. He will show you. in His word. You just won't hear anything about "caught up" as to when. He does not know.

 

 

[R. Hartono]

On 6/28/2020 at 8:14 AM, Keras said:

Paul's prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 is about what will happen at the Great White Throne Judgment, AFTER the Millennium. 

Proved by how it is only then that Death is no more. Revelation 21:4

Its the death of mortal mankind that will be no more, not the resurrected saints.