7 year tribulation

[luigi]

19 minutes ago, John n Claudia said:

We are already seeing the waters turning to "blood" as a result of algal blooms that people think are pretty because the algae are phosphorescent.  Life will continue to descend as we get closer and closer to the return of Jesus.  It is never a good idea to think things will not get worse than they are now.  I just pray that He gives me the strength to remain faithful and that I am able to endure until the end.

Still a ways to go before 1/3 of earth's seas are red from algal blooms. That along with 1/3 of the earth's other natural resources being destroyed in Revelation 8, I believe brings about the worst of times for many peoples throughout the world. California is currently experiencing its worst fire season with more expected to come in the next few days. The Guardian has a great article on California's fire season, along with how many people take things in as if this is normal.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/21/the-climate-crisis-has-already-arrived-just-look-to-californias-abnormal-wildfires?utm_term=c0078d5706ec670d02ab6f6010c7b480&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUS&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUS_email

[John n Claudia]

11 minutes ago, luigi said:

Still a ways to go before 1/3 of earth's seas are red from algal blooms. That along with 1/3 of the earth's other natural resources being destroyed in Revelation 8, I believe brings about the worst of times for many peoples throughout the world. California is currently experiencing its worst fire season with more expected to come in the next few days. The Guardian has a great article on California's fire season, along with how many people take things in as if this is normal.

Amen Luigi.

 

The first thing that the Bible tells us will happen is that 1/3 of the forests will burn.  Last year we saw over 20% of Australia's forests burn and with the zombie fires in Siberia, I would not be surprised if that is also approaching 20%.  33% cannot be that far ahead of us.  The Bible tells us that the sea turns to blood after the fires, so it is not a surprise that we have not seen much of that yet.  It is just scary to me that we are already seeing some of this, since it indicates that the trumpets will occur in a much faster succession than the seals were opened.

[luigi]

22 minutes ago, John n Claudia said:

Amen Luigi.

 

The first thing that the Bible tells us will happen is that 1/3 of the forests will burn.  Last year we saw over 20% of Australia's forests burn and with the zombie fires in Siberia, I would not be surprised if that is also approaching 20%.  33% cannot be that far ahead of us.  The Bible tells us that the sea turns to blood after the fires, so it is not a surprise that we have not seen much of that yet.  It is just scary to me that we are already seeing some of this, since it indicates that the trumpets will occur in a much faster succession than the seals were opened.

Amen John n Claudia,

What about 1/3 of earth's fresh water rivers and underground reservoirs being made bitter and poisonous by the falling star named Wormwood; is this possibly due to the illumination man has been given for the chemical cocktail they use to extract natural gas from shale deep underground through what is referred to as Fracking, which is making many fresh water resources throughout the world increasingly poisonous?

[John n Claudia]

50 minutes ago, luigi said:

What about 1/3 of earth's fresh water rivers and underground reservoirs being made bitter and poisonous by the falling star named Wormwood; is this possibly due to the illumination man has been given for the chemical cocktail they use to extract natural gas from shale deep underground through what is referred to as Fracking, which is making many fresh water resources throughout the world increasingly poisonous?

Luigi,

 

This is a very good question and while I have some thoughts on this, the Lord has not yet revealed to me exactly what this will be.  It is very possible that He only wants to reveal a little at a time in order to keep His people searching the scriptures to find out what He is telling us.

I can tell you that the Russian word for Wormwood is Chernobyl, so this might indicate some sort of nuclear accident, but I do not want to read to much into this.  I have found that trying to mix languages in interpreting the Bible is more likely to lead to error rather than truth.

At this point, I have committed myself to watching what is happening in the world in order to see how world events line up with what the Bible says will happen.  Unfortunately I have been seeing more and more prophecies being fulfilled in a shorter and shorter time frame.  This saddens me because I have many friends and family members who are lost.  I really want them to find Jesus and be born again before He returns and I know that the time is short.  I have just told my father what I believe will be the next event and that this will occur in the next year or so.  I did this in order to shake him up and get him to understand that Jesus is really going to return, and that he needs to get ready to meet Him as either savior or judge.

[luigi]

24 minutes ago, John n Claudia said:

Luigi,

 

This is a very good question and while I have some thoughts on this, the Lord has not yet revealed to me exactly what this will be.  It is very possible that He only wants to reveal a little at a time in order to keep His people searching the scriptures to find out what He is telling us.

I can tell you that the Russian word for Wormwood is Chernobyl, so this might indicate some sort of nuclear accident, but I do not want to read to much into this.  I have found that trying to mix languages in interpreting the Bible is more likely to lead to error rather than truth.

At this point, I have committed myself to watching what is happening in the world in order to see how world events line up with what the Bible says will happen.  Unfortunately I have been seeing more and more prophecies being fulfilled in a shorter and shorter time frame.  This saddens me because I have many friends and family members who are lost.  I really want them to find Jesus and be born again before He returns and I know that the time is short.  I have just told my father what I believe will be the next event and that this will occur in the next year or so.  I did this in order to shake him up and get him to understand that Jesus is really going to return, and that he needs to get ready to meet Him as either savior or judge.

In one of the fracking documentaries, it explains how nearly 5% of all current fracking operations are leaking, and that over the next 30 years, over 90% of these fracking operations are expected to leak. I saw that documentary several years ago.

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Diaste.

To what I had written in response of what you said earlier, 

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Then, you said, "Then there is the gap. I did not write it, Daniel did." While the messenger showed a gap to Daniel, it was YESHUA` who actually put the gap in the 70 Sevens, but He did so halfway through the 70th Seven.

you asked,

18 hours ago, Diaste said:

Is that so? Where does scripture say this?

Weren't you following along?

Based upon the squeeze play of the positive conclusion that "Messiah" in verse 26 MUST be the subject of the verbs in verse 27 and the negative conclusion that "the prince that shall come" or rather "a prince the comer" in verse 26 CANNOT be the subject of the verbs in verse 27, then "Messiah" IS the subject of the verbs in verse 27.

Then, understanding that the covenant which the Messiah confirmed (by submitting to being baptized) was the DAVIDIC Covenant of 2 Samuel 7:11-16 and 1 Chronicles 17:10-14 (supported by God His Father responding audibly with "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" [Matthew 3:17], partially fulfilling the prophecy associated with that Covenant, namely, "I will be his father, and he shall be my son." [2 Samuel 7:14; 1 Chronicles 17:13]), then we understand that this Covenant is all about David's Seed (Yeshua` the Messiah) becoming a King in like manner to David himself.

Since David reigned over His own tribe, Yhudah or "Judah," for 7 years (2 Samuel 2:1-4; 1 Kings 2:11; 1 Chronicles 29:27) prior to becoming King of all Israel (2 Samuel 5:1-3; 1 Chronicles 11:1-3), then His Seed should also reign over His own tribe, Yhudah, the "Jews" for 7 years prior to becoming King of Israel. Indeed, Yeshua` was NAMED "King of the Jews" by the Magi shortly after His birth (Matthew 2:2)! Even the superscription on the portion of His cross over His head contained the same words: "This is Jesus (Yeshua`), King of the Jews" (Matthew 27:37). However, the public offer of the Kingdom to the Jews was rejected, Yeshua` Himself being rejected as their King, and He was only able to offer the Kingdom for 3.5 years before they rejected Him and crucified Him! Prior to the crucifixion, Yeshua` left THEM "desolate" in Matthew 23:38, and 3.5 years is half of the expected 7-year reign. Since He was crucified immediately after leaving them "desolate," this corresponds to the Messiah being "cut off" in Daniel 9:26. So, specifically, the "AFTER (7 Sevens +) 62 Sevens (= 69 Sevens) shall Messiah be cut off" refers to half-way through the last Seven, when He is ACTUALLY "cut off."

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True. But aren't you adding as well? After is after whether it's a minute after or 1000 years. Before the latter is also after the former. Hmm...

No. "Adding to the Scriptures" implies that what is added stems from one's own opinions or theological position.

When one takes all the evidence and comes to a conclusion based upon that evidence, one has not added a thing that isn't already there! One must just be sure of the evidence prior to making one's conclusions. After all, a conclusion made upon a poor set of evidence is just as bad as forming a conclusion based upon one's opinions.

Using what I have shown in the post above, let's take the MAJOR points:

A(---------Z?------->

and the MINOR points WITHIN the MAJOR points:

<--a---c---b---Z]: Z is 1/2 of the 70th Seven

and combine them:

A(---a---c---b---Z]: Z is 1/2 of the 70th Seven

What we can read from this combination is, A (the end of the 69 weeks) comes before a (confirming the covenant with many for 1 Seven) which comes before c (for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate) which comes before b (in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease) which comes before or ON Z (which is 1/2 of the 70th Seven).

Then, one can add the Scripture verses that mark the fulfillment of each:

A(---a---c---b---Z]: Z is 1/2 of the 70th Seven
|  |      |       |       |       |
|  |      |       |       |       +--Matthew 27:50-51; John 19:30b
|  |      |       |       +------John 19:30a; Hebrews 10:8-18
|  |      |       +----------Matthew 23:1-38
|  |      +--------------Matthew 3:16-17
|  +-----------------Luke 16:16b
+-------------------Luke 16:16a

Again, hope this helps.

Edited August 24, 2020 by Retrobyter
forgot to add a crucial Scripture passage

[Retrobyter]

18 hours ago, Diaste said:

If that's true then the rest must be also.

"And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation,j until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him" - Dan 9

Shalom, Diaste.

This is a poor translation of Daniel 9. First, there's no "of the Temple" in the Hebrew; that has been SUPPLIED by over-zealous, fixers-of-the-text wanna-be's! The Hebrew word "knaf" does mean a "wing," but it is a "SPREAD-OUT wing," an "EXTENDED wing," and like the feathers in such a wing, the text is talking about the "radiating outward" or "spreading" of the detestable things. This why the translators of the KJV chose the words "overspreading of abominations." And, the Hebrew word, "shiqquwtsiym," translated "abominations" IS plural, btw! Also, the Hebrew doesn't say that determined is poured upon the "desolator"; it's poured upon the "DESOLATE," those who were left in such a condition by Yeshua`!

18 hours ago, Diaste said:

So then Jesus:

1) put an end to sacrifice and offering (He did not, the Romans and their conscripts did in 70 AD)

YES, He DID! Who determines when a slaughter becomes a sacrifice? Wouldn't that be the One to whom the sacrifice was being made? This is the reason for pointing out Hebrews 10:8-18! When Yeshua` made the ULTIMATE Sacrifice for all human beings everywhere, and at any time in human history, that was the END of the picture, the real thing taking its place!

THIS was why Yeshua` spoke the word translated as "It is finished." "Tetelestai" in Greek was always put on bills that were paid off. They were marked "Paid in full" by that ONE word! 

18 hours ago, Diaste said:

2) must be responsible for "the abomination that causes desolation" (Not recorded in scripture either before or after the crucifixion)

When Yeshua` pronounced the Jews of Jerusalem "desolate" (Matthew 23:38), the clock started ticking. Forty years later, in 70 A.D., the Temple was destroyed and the Diaspora began. This WAS prophesied in Matthew 24:15. Technically, let's get the order staight: It was the abominations (Matthew 23:1-37) that caused the Messiah to make them "DESOLATE" (Matthew 23:38, the fulfillment of Daniel 9:27b), but it was the desolation - the emptying of the Temple - that was an abomination to the Jews, and the signal to God's faithful to head for the hills (Matthew 24:15-16)!

18 hours ago, Diaste said:

3) Must have destruction poured out upon Him. (Resurrected and at the right hand of the Father forever)

An abject failure to try and shoehorn Jesus the Christ into 'he'.

No, that determined - that decided against them - was poured out upon the "DESOLATE!" Those who were MADE DESOLATE by the Messiah in Matthew 23:38, the JEWS!

[Charlie744]

Very nice Retrobyter!!

As previously stated, “he” is definitely “He”

(He is definitely Bourne, but he is also Michael Caine... he just had a meeting as Caine, but he is definitely also Bourne...).?

The Scriptures are all about- The Messiah! 

But with great respect for Retrobyter, I do see the “seven” and the “3.5” issues alittle differently;

1) I have NO ability / understanding of Hebrew, AND because I have seen verses in different Hebrew Scriptures that were not written the same, AND even worse, one would have little difficulty finding English translations that can easily offer quite a different message. 

Stepping a few feet from the desk we might be able to concentrate on the word “seven” and follow it backwards into the Scriptures / verses within Daniel. I believe folks might label this as a kind of “Scripture interpreting Scripture” approach. There seems to be sufficient verses within Daniel to “connect”back to the meaning of the word “seven” in 9:27. And we might want to focus and consider this relationship and the underlying message as opposed to placing so much emphasis on the word “for”, which I would contend is a mistranslation...

To me, it conflicts with the earlier verses in Daniel and the true prophecies and message about the Messiah and His mission during His last week on earth. 

        a) I believe everyone will agree that a substitution  (my opinion this is just a proper translation) of the word “for” to “in” or “within” or “during”, etc, would completely change the meaning to 9:27.  By keeping the focus and interpretative attention on “for”, many will find it quite necessary to view these verses;

1) that there is a 7 year covenant, not a covenant made during the last 7 years of Daniel’s last week,

2) also, the “he” can not refer to the Messiah since He would not and did not enter into a short term agreement or covenant with anyone during His first Advent - must be the anti-Christ or boogeymen figure,

4) and finally, this 7 years must be sometime way in the future.. say 2,000 years or so since no covenant can be identified to have occurred in the past and can not be refuted since it will always be in the future.

Question: what if the “accepted interpretation” written was “during” as opposed to “for”?

Would that one small translation change affect one’s need or acceptance for a future covenant or a anti-Christ type figure? 

I keep hearing so many folks insisting we honor “interpret scripture by scripture” .... and that would certainly work here, but so much of today’s boogeyman, 7 year future covenant seems to be based on the powerful word “for”... 

         b) For those who have the gift, talent and intellectual skill set to review the original Hebrew words and the translations of those words into English, I have NO doubt that the word “for” is the best translation IF the intention was to carry the meaning / message away from the tremendous mission and success of the Messiah that He fulfilled IN Daniel’s last week of His 70 weeks.

2) the second departure is the 3.5 year period, and the possible assumption that this period of time MUST be further accounted for....

     a) Within Daniel’s last week, the Messiah MUST fulfill the 6 requirements that are identified in earlier verses in Daniel. Each of the 3 sections of the 490 years had their own “things” that are to be completed or fulfilled. And the final  week, or last section of the 70 weeks should NOT and ARE not to be treated in a different manner than the first two sections - we should just continue to follow the lines in the road! There are no breaks in the “painted yellow lines” in the road.

The ONLY reason (my opinion) that anyone might think the 3.5 years of the last week (again, there is no separation WITHIN the last 7 years), is IF you contend the Messiah DID NOT complete or fulfill His mission at His first coming... and to me, that also goes against everything in the previous verses in Daniel... God is not going to list these 6 requirements to fulfill, and then mention He will be “cut off” in the midst of the week... unless He intended on completing all of them.

God has put together this beautiful prophetic message / story around 70 weeks or 490 years; He sectioned it into 3 periods carving out those “things” to be completed within each section, with the most important events to be fulfilled in the last week WITHIN the period the Messiah would be on the earth.

We must / should have no problem seeing and recognizing that He DID fulfill all 6... and, consequently, there is no need to find any purpose for the rest of the last week...

He even told us He would be “cut off” in the midst of the LAST week... This not only means the LAST week of Daniel’s 70 weeks, but He also has tolded this to us AFTER He had informed us of those 6 requirements or fulfillment’s!  He has told us when He would come and what He would accomplish WITHIN the last week . 

Essentially, He is telling us not to worry - I WILL complete what I have told you I would do....  and then He continues to tell us the “bad news” (tells us only after He comforts us re: His completing those “things” prior to His crucifixion) that He would indeed be crucified in the midst of the 7 years...He wanted to comfort us that He would accomplish all He had to do for OUR salvation even though He would not complete the 7 year calendar period .

I will not remain for the whole 7 years of Daniel’s last week - I will indeed be “cut off”, but don’t worry, I have already told you in MY previous verses, I will fulfill MY Words / Promises to you!

 

     b) Also, and mentioned in a previous post, He would fulfill (symbolically) the first 4 Feasts (which also shows completion, and He does NOT have more to do at His second coming that was not accomplished during His first advent). The balance or remaining 3.5 years no longer have any importance- ALL was fulfilled WITHIN the last week. We should not be trying to focus on the “calendar 7 year time period”, but on the “things, the covenant” the Messiah would complete WITH Daniel’s last week.

This, of course completely eliminates the need / basis for creating a story to carry forward either the 3.5 or 7 years of the “last week” of Daniel’s prophecy.

    c) We also may be treating the word “seven” improperly...Are we focusing on the seven year period as the “thing” that demands our intention and the “thing” that MUST be fulfilled? Are we trying to ensure we account for the entire 7 years - as though the time period itself

The focus of our intention, our understanding, and of course, our interpretation, should be on the 6 “things” , the “new covenant” the Messiah WILL complete DURING the last week.

 I believe many are causing the 7 year time period to “drive” our interpretation. Just thinking out loud... IF the Messiah was “cut off” AFTER the 7th Passover WITHIN the last week, but prior to the end of the calendar 7 year period (and of course if there were changes to certain verses so there is no contradiction), I don’t believe a future 7 or 3.5 year week would have been needed or generated.

FYI— please accept my apology for the errors in the above response... I started writing this much earlier in the AM only to accidentally erase or lose much of the content... I am sure it repeats and does not flow well at times... got to get some sleep.

Best wishes to all in this forum, Charlie 

Edited August 24, 2020 by Charlie744
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[iamlamad]

8 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Very nice Retrobyter!!

As previously stated, “he” is definitely “He”

(He is definitely Bourne, but he is also Michael Caine... he just had a meeting as Caine, but he is definitely also Bourne...).?

The Scriptures are all about- The Messiah! 

But with great respect for Retrobyter, I do see the “seven” and the “3.5” issues alittle differently;

1) I have NO ability / understanding of Hebrew, AND because I have seen verses in different Hebrew Scriptures that were not written the same, AND even worse, one would have little difficulty finding English translations that can easily offer quite a different message. 

Stepping a few feet from the desk we might be able to concentrate on the word “seven” and follow it backwards into the Scriptures / verses within Daniel. I believe folks might label this as a kind of “Scripture interpreting Scripture” approach. There seems to be sufficient verses within Daniel to “connect”back to the meaning of the word “seven” in 9:27. And we might want to focus and consider this relationship and the underlying message as opposed to placing so much emphasis on the word “for”, which I would contend is a mistranslation...

To me, it conflicts with the earlier verses in Daniel and the true prophecies and message about the Messiah and His mission during His last week on earth. 

        a) I believe everyone will agree that a substitution  (my opinion this is just a proper translation) of the word “for” to “in” or “within” or “during”, etc, would completely change the meaning to 9:27.  By keeping the focus and interpretative attention on “for”, many will find it quite necessary to view these verses;

1) that there is a 7 year covenant, not a covenant made during the last 7 years of Daniel’s last week,

2) also, the “he” can not refer to the Messiah since He would not and did not enter into a short term agreement or covenant with anyone during His first Advent - must be the anti-Christ or boogeymen figure,

4) and finally, this 7 years must be sometime way in the future.. say 2,000 years or so since no covenant can be identified to have occurred in the past and can not be refuted since it will always be in the future.

Question: what if the “accepted interpretation” written was “during” as opposed to “for”?

Would that one small translation change affect one’s need or acceptance for a future covenant or a anti-Christ type figure? 

I keep hearing so many folks insisting we honor “interpret scripture by scripture” .... and that would certainly work here, but so much of today’s boogeyman, 7 year future covenant seems to be based on the powerful word “for”... 

         b) For those who have the gift, talent and intellectual skill set to review the original Hebrew words and the translations of those words into English, I have NO doubt that the word “for” is the best translation IF the intention was to carry the meaning / message away from the tremendous mission and success of the Messiah that He fulfilled IN Daniel’s last week of His 70 weeks.

2) the second departure is the 3.5 year period, and the possible assumption that this period of time MUST be further accounted for....

     a) Within Daniel’s last week, the Messiah MUST fulfill the 6 requirements that are identified in earlier verses in Daniel. Each of the 3 sections of the 490 years had their own “things” that are to be completed or fulfilled. And the final  week, or last section of the 70 weeks should NOT and ARE not to be treated in a different manner than the first two sections - we should just continue to follow the lines in the road! There are no breaks in the “painted yellow lines” in the road.

The ONLY reason (my opinion) that anyone might think the 3.5 years of the last week (again, there is no separation WITHIN the last 7 years), is IF you contend the Messiah DID NOT complete or fulfill His mission at His first coming... and to me, that also goes against everything in the previous verses in Daniel... God is not going to list these 6 requirements to fulfill, and then mention He will be “cut off” in the midst of the week... unless He intended on completing all of them.

God has put together this beautiful prophetic message / story around 70 weeks or 490 years; He sectioned it into 3 periods carving out those “things” to be completed within each section, with the most important events to be fulfilled in the last week WITHIN the period the Messiah would be on the earth.

We must / should have no problem seeing and recognizing that He DID fulfill all 6... and, consequently, there is no need to find any purpose for the rest of the last week...

He even told us He would be “cut off” in the midst of the LAST week... This not only means the LAST week of Daniel’s 70 weeks, but He also has tolded this to us AFTER He had informed us of those 6 requirements or fulfillment’s!  He has told us when He would come and what He would accomplish WITHIN the last week . 

Essentially, He is telling us not to worry - I WILL complete what I have told you I would do....  and then He continues to tell us the “bad news” (tells us only after He comforts us re: His completing those “things” prior to His crucifixion) that He would indeed be crucified in the midst of the 7 years...He wanted to comfort us that He would accomplish all He had to do for OUR salvation even though He would not complete the 7 year calendar period .

I will not remain for the whole 7 years of Daniel’s last week - I will indeed be “cut off”, but don’t worry, I have already told you in MY previous verses, I will fulfill MY Words / Promises to you!

 

     b) Also, and mentioned in a previous post, He would fulfill (symbolically) the first 4 Feasts (which also shows completion, and He does NOT have more to do at His second coming that was not accomplished during His first advent). The balance or remaining 3.5 years no longer have any importance- ALL was fulfilled WITHIN the last week. We should not be trying to focus on the “calendar 7 year time period”, but on the “things, the covenant” the Messiah would complete WITH Daniel’s last week.

This, of course completely eliminates the need / basis for creating a story to carry forward either the 3.5 or 7 years of the “last week” of Daniel’s prophecy.

    c) We also may be treating the word “seven” improperly...Are we focusing on the seven year period as the “thing” that demands our intention and the “thing” that MUST be fulfilled? Are we trying to ensure we account for the entire 7 years - as though the time period itself

The focus of our intention, our understanding, and of course, our interpretation, should be on the 6 “things” , the “new covenant” the Messiah WILL complete DURING the last week.

 I believe many are causing the 7 year time period to “drive” our interpretation. Just thinking out loud... IF the Messiah was “cut off” AFTER the 7th Passover WITHIN the last week, but prior to the end of the calendar 7 year period (and of course if there were changes to certain verses so there is no contradiction), I don’t believe a future 7 or 3.5 year week would have been needed or generated.

FYI— please accept my apology for the errors in the above response... I started writing this much earlier in the AM only to accidentally erase or lose much of the content... I am sure it repeats and does not flow well at times... got to get some sleep.

Best wishes to all in this forum, Charlie 

Charlie, the way Daniel wrote it was 7 weeks and 62 weeks completed: "there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens."

Then, STUFF happens

Then finally the last week: that is a COMPLETE 7. 

So what is the STUFF?

1. Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;   (after the 69 weeks but before the 70th)
2. the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
3. till the end of the war desolations are determined.

Let's put it together: 

There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; completed

1. Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;   (after the 69 weeks but before the 70th)
2. the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. (after the 69 weeks but before the 70th)
3. till the end of the war desolations are determined. (after the 69 weeks but before the 70th)

Then finally the last week: that is a COMPLETE 7. 

[Charlie744]

Iamlamad.... First, thank you very much for reading / considering the absolutely horribly written post.. I wrote almost the full text only to lose it somehow... then I rushed trying to remember all that I wrote and well... exhaustion... still awake.

Anyway, I do not understand how any events or activities can take place between two continuous periods... this sort of reminds me of the folks who claim there is a gazillon years or so between the first and second days when God created things... that there must be an significant amount of time between each of the  7 days of creation.

Now, thinking out loud, the only way your interpretation could work is IF there was a “gap” between the 69th and 70th week for events or activities to take place. However I don’t think even this can work since this would mean there would have to be more than 490 years in Daniel’s 70 week prophecy. 

I believe God knew exactly what He was doing:

1) He gave us the “starting point” for Daniel’s 70 weeks, 

2) He told us exactly how many years this meant,

3) He specifically sectioned this time into 3 separate periods AND purposely identified those events that would occur WITHIN each of the 3 sections,

4) Essentially, He completely “bracketed” Daniel’s 70 weeks leaving no doubt as to its  beginning, its end, including the accomplishments within each of the 3 sections. 

5) So, at the beginning of the 70th week the Messiah was baptized by John. If you say He was baptized after the 69th week but BEFORE the start of the 70th week, then there would be more than 490 years. Or one would have to say that the events after the 69th week are not to be counted against the 490 year total, AND, the counting would have to begin sometime- perhaps as some believe— some 2,000 years in the future!

6) The prince of the people is clearly not the same person as “He”, or some say “he” in 9:27. This refers to the individual who would perform the horrible work of punishing His people (Jews), for their rejection of the Messiah (my opinion is there can not be a greater act in history (in a bad way— and an infinitely greater act than the 6 million Jews in the 2nd WW). This refers to Titus in 70AD. 

7) Forgive me for my confusion but Daniel was perfectly clear to me re: the 3 sections:

     a) 1st section = 7 weeks or 49 years,

      b) 2nd section = 62 weeks or 434 years,

...... UNTIL THE MESSIAH... which agrees perfectly with the coming of the Messiah when He was baptized and started the final 1 week or the last 7 years.

This completes the entire 490 years and now we simply identify each event or accomplishment (s) that will be fulfilled the 3 sections.

8) There is also the comment I made in my earlier post that must be considered- there are so many different translations to the Scriptures- ALL books, and I am sure each has its own bias and agenda - what denomination commissioned it or how they interpreted or wanted to interpret certain verses... but the bottom line is NOT to hang one’s theology on a specific word— example in this case I believe many can not get by the word “for” as opposed to stepping back and see how it “fits” in with the surrounding verses, AND other related Scripture. And I have such a very difficult time trying to understand how folks can not see the continuous 490 year prophecy, or those 6 requirements the Messiah would complete or fulfill, or fail to connect the New Covenant with the Messiah (especially since we can understand this New Covenant must be established by the “blood of Christ”!!!!

 I hope some of this makes some sense... to me it is so crystal clear— this does NOT mean my interpretation is right or foolproof... but it is right for me and the basis for my interpretations is to identify the Messiah in His prophetic Words. 

FYI, from my point of view, 9:27 is clear and unambiguous (given also that we are on the other side of the Cross... I can not imagine anyone could have possibly understood 9:27 BEFORE the Cross!). 

I can assure you this is nothing compared to my interpretation of chapter 11..... it is ALL spiritual versus historical as everyone believes ... but I will NOT attempt to discuss the 11 interpretations within this forum... 

Anyway, thank you very much for your comments and consideration and I enjoy your comments, Charlie