Why can’t the CHURCH be in part of the 70th week?

[Spock]

8 minutes ago, luigi said:

Spock, I hope you don't mind my butting in here, but there is a sequencing of events here that will explain a little about how the seven years (week) will go down.

The seventh seal in Revelation 8 in which 1/3 of earth's environmental resources are destroyed is due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce-Revelation 9:20. Today the things man produces are primarily produced in factories using fossil fuels, and so we realize fossil fuels and affiliated means the cause for 1/3 of earth's environmental resources being destroyed.

It is when this level of destruction to the planet is complete, when an angel in midheaven cries with a loud voice Woe, woe, woe, to all the inhabitants of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet warnings of the three angels which are yet to sound for the last three angels soundings; thereby indicating significantly worse conditions resulting than from the the last three than from the first four from fossil fuel use.

In Revelation 9 the first of these last three woes appears as the result of a fallen star, named Absalon and Apollyon, which translated means the destroyer, is given the key to the bottomless pit and opens it. It is from this bottomless pit, (a.k.a. the sea in Revelation 13) from which the beast shall ascend. When the beast ascends is when he is alloted 42 months in which to do his thing and make things work. During these 42 months, one of the beasts acts is that he kills the two witnesses at the conclusion of their 42 month testimony. As such we can then see that the events in Revelation 8, in which 1/3 of earth's environmental resources are being destroyed by fossil fuel use and the world will then logically be experiencing tribulation, precede the beast's 42 month reign.

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Revelation 17:8  The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

You are not butting in Luigi, thanks for replying.....

your explanation is interesting but I will need some questions answered  first if you don’t mind...

7The first angel blew his trumpet, and there followed hail and fire, mixed with blood, and these were thrown upon the earth. And a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.

8The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. 9A third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

10The third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from heaven, blazing like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. 11The name of the star is Wormwood.b A third of the waters became wormwood, and many people died from the water, because it had been made bitter.

 

questions:

1. Hail and fire mixed with blood was thrown down to earth.....what is that?

2. a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea....what is that?

3. a great star fell from heaven...on the rivers and the springs of water. The star’s name is WORMWOOD.....what is that? 
 

thanks,

spock

[luigi]

3 minutes ago, Spock said:

You are not butting in Luigi, thanks for replying.....

your explanation is interesting but I will need some questions answered  first if you don’t mind...

7The first angel blew his trumpet, and there followed hail and fire, mixed with blood, and these were thrown upon the earth. And a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.

8The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. 9A third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

10The third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from heaven, blazing like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. 11The name of the star is Wormwood.b A third of the waters became wormwood, and many people died from the water, because it had been made bitter.

 

questions:

1. Hail and fire mixed with blood was thrown down to earth.....what is that?

2. a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea....what is that?

3. a great star fell from heaven...on the rivers and the springs of water. The star’s name is WORMWOOD.....what is that? 
 

thanks,

spock

As the things thrown down causing the results described are all attributed to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce; they would then be related in nature.

1) Right now for example, the description of hail and fire mingled with blood, I think describes some of the results being seen throughout areas experiencing these super fires, like throughout the West today, and in Australia a few months back, with fire tornadoes and other weather phenomena, along with people's lives (their blood) being lost.

2) A great mountain burning with fire thrown into the sea in which 1/3 of the earth's seas turn to blood, I likewise see being metaphors, where the mountain represents the mountain of fertilizer runoff that find their way into rivers leading into the world's seas causing algae blooms. These algae blooms, often referred to as red tides, are increasing throughout the earth in conjunction with increasing global warming.

3) The star which falls from heaven whose name is wormwood is similar in metaphor to the star Absalon/Apollyon, the destroyer who is given the key to the bottomless pit allowing the beast to ascend from the bottomless pit, which is another description for the sea from which the beast shall ascend. As the beast who shall ascend from the sea is due to Satan providing the beast with his power, the star of the bottomless pit Absalon/Apollyon, the destroyer, is realized as another description for the fallen Star Satan. The fallen star Wormwood is then realized as one of the fallen angels who provide mankind with the destructive illumination that causes 1/3 of earth's rivers and underground aquifers to become bitter and poisonous. Currently, the process of hydraulic fracturing (a.k.a. fracking) deep beneath earth's surface is poisoning underground aquifers, many of which rise to the surface in rivers. A documentary a few years back pointed out that while then approximately 5% of all fracking operations were leaking into aquifers, that within 30 years it was estimated that approximately 90% of all fracking operations would eventually being leaking.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Revelation 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

[DeighAnn]

On 9/4/2020 at 7:00 AM, The Light said:

Logic Mr. Spock. How would it be possible for Jesus to come in an hour that we think not if He shows us when He is  coming?

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

HENCE, not possible for Jesus to return in an hour that we can know.

(NOT LIKE THAT IN ANY WAY SUPPORTS THE CHANGING OF THE ENTIRE TEACHING GIVEN IN 2 THESSALONIANS) 


WE DO KNOW WHAT PAUL TEACHES TO THE NEW COVENANT CHURCH IN THESSALONICA  
 

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,

That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

And in case you missed it or didn't quite understand the point or maybe NEEDED IT SAID IN ANOTHER WAY, as apparently SOMEONE thought might happen,  THE WORD through Paul  goes on to say

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:

Having added a bit more information, still, THE WORD through Paul, wants to make TRIPLE sure you have been told and THERE COULD NOT BE ANY WAY IN WHICH TO MISUNDERSTAND what we are being told so goes on to say

Even him,whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


THEN,  ADDS a HUGE WARNING TO THOSE WHO FEEL THEY MIGHT NOT LIKE TO HEED THAT TRUTH JUST GIVEN 3 times in a row,

 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


Can you imagine

on the day of JUDGMENT

trying to EXPLAIN TO THE LORD,

how you failed to understand this?  

Let me ask you this> 

IF THERE WAS A PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE BEING TAUGHT, AND YOU WERE PAUL 

AND YOU HAD TO CLEAR UP THE FALSE TEACHING OF IT

WHAT WORDS WOULD YOU USE THAT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN THESE?  

 

[DeighAnn]

You know what I think is really weird. 

Why never once any Pre Tribber has ever asked WHY? it is so important to Posties to keep after them 

We know the theory people think "we will be left behind" and We know they think it will be for some absolutely horrendous living and killing years,  but why would we CARE about what they believe now.  Weird.    

[Charlie744]

DeighAnn, I have mentioned a few times that I have yet to study Revelation (other than reading through it a couple of times and then wanted to hand myself, but I would like to ask a question regarding end times and specifically the “rapture”.

If the Lord comes “in the air” for those who have a) already died in Christ, and b) those still alive in Christ, then what happens to those alive, but NOT in Christ?

Could those that are alive and NOT taken away with Christ be destroyed by His brightness- since no one can see Him and live?

Consequently, everyone NOT in Christ since the beginning of time remain in the grave UNTIL He returns in 1,000 years to judge them... your thoughts?

Thanks, Charlie 

[Spock]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

HENCE, not possible for Jesus to return in an hour that we can know.

(NOT LIKE THAT IN ANY WAY SUPPORTS THE CHANGING OF THE ENTIRE TEACHING GIVEN IN 2 THESSALONIANS) 


WE DO KNOW WHAT PAUL TEACHES TO THE NEW COVENANT CHURCH IN THESSALONICA  
 

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,

That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

And in case you missed it or didn't quite understand the point or maybe NEEDED IT SAID IN ANOTHER WAY, as apparently SOMEONE thought might happen,  THE WORD through Paul  goes on to say

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:

Having added a bit more information, still, THE WORD through Paul, wants to make TRIPLE sure you have been told and THERE COULD NOT BE ANY WAY IN WHICH TO MISUNDERSTAND what we are being told so goes on to say

Even him,whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


THEN,  ADDS a HUGE WARNING TO THOSE WHO FEEL THEY MIGHT NOT LIKE TO HEED THAT TRUTH JUST GIVEN 3 times in a row,

 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


Can you imagine

on the day of JUDGMENT

trying to EXPLAIN TO THE LORD,

how you failed to understand this?  

Let me ask you this> 

IF THERE WAS A PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE BEING TAUGHT, AND YOU WERE PAUL 

AND YOU HAD TO CLEAR UP THE FALSE TEACHING OF IT

WHAT WORDS WOULD YOU USE THAT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN THESE?  

 

You probably know the Pre Trib people finally found their explanation/rebuttal for the 2 thess 2 quandary they were in.

They found some evidence to support the Greek word “apostacia “to mean departure, not from the truth, but rather from the world. In other words, the falling away is now the departure, as in rapture. 
 

so, they now say 2 thess 2 says this.....the day of Christ won’t happen until two things occur:

1. Departure....rapture

2. man of sin is revealed.....some pre tribbers say this occurs at the covenant being confirmed, others say this occurs at the nomination of desolation.

 Could this “new”interpretation of apostacia be correct?  I don’t think so, although I suppose there is a possibility it could be...but they (Pre tribbers) sure do think it is right (The new definition).  Finally, they have something to explain 2 thess 2. For a long time, they we’re getting punched in the face over and over regarding this passage in 2 thess 2.  Now, with this new fresh interpretation, they feel they have the rebuttal to stop the bleeding. 
 

But in the long run, I guess it’s up to you to decide who you think is right.  
spock

[DeighAnn]

25 minutes ago, Spock said:

You probably know the Pre Trib people finally found their explanation/rebuttal for the 2 thess 2 quandary they were in.

They found some evidence to support the Greek word “apostacia “to mean departure, not from the truth, but rather from the world. In other words, the falling away is now the departure, as in rapture. 
 

so, they now say 2 thess 2 says this.....the day of Christ won’t happen until two things occur:

1. Departure....rapture

2. man of sin is revealed.....some pre tribbers say this occurs at the covenant being confirmed, others say this occurs at the nomination of desolation.

 Could this “new”interpretation of apostacia be correct?  I don’t think so, although I suppose there is a possibility it could be...but they (Pre tribbers) sure do think it is right (The new definition).  Finally, they have something to explain 2 thess 2. For a long time, they we’re getting punched in the face over and over regarding this passage in 2 thess 2.  Now, with this new fresh interpretation, they feel they have the rebuttal to stop the bleeding. 
 

But in the long run, I guess it’s up to you to decide who you think is right.  
spock

Still can't get past that "our gathering together" though.  Yes, I don't know if it is fear of the flesh being killed or not wanting to have the Holy Spirit speak through them, or what??  I don't know.  The very fact of so much division should be eye opening as to where the church stands right now (not holy and perfect for sure)  and how if "those who are alive and remain" are changed IT LEAVES NO ONE LEFT.  And at that point what is the point?  Satan having a big farewell party courtesy of God?  Who would be here to be left behind.  Oh I know you know the list goes on and on how pre trib goes AGAINST the very nature of God.  He even tells us He is the one SENDING the foolish shepherd.  IT MAKES NO SENSE.  Here are a couple questions they never answer  Do they go before Satan is kicked out and so go to fight the war that is going on in heaven or do they all pass as ships in the night?  Does heaven just empty out with all our loved ones and the saints and the armies taking a little trip? So that in what may be an hour to God they all return again?  Do the dead resurrect twice?  Why if Gods people are to be refined don't they have to be.  And what if your lineage is actually of the original tribes of the north, do you have to stay even though you consider yourself a "gentile"?   You know what He said about strong delusion.  

[JohnR7]

On 9/9/2020 at 8:02 PM, Biblican said:

 "The same waters that drowned the wicked, carried Noah to safety."

We have the pure clean water of the river of life. Then we had the stagnant water of dead religion. 

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, Spock said:

In other words, the falling away is now the departure, as in rapture. 

There is going to be a rapture, there is going to be a resurrection. We just do not know when. Jesus tells us only the Father knows, not even the angels. (Matthew 24:36) The wise men knew when and where to find Jesus. That is more than we know today. Although 4004 BC is usually the accepted date for His birth. 

[Marilyn C]

2 hours ago, Spock said:

You probably know the Pre Trib people finally found their explanation/rebuttal for the 2 thess 2 quandary they were in.

They found some evidence to support the Greek word “apostacia “to mean departure, not from the truth, but rather from the world. In other words, the falling away is now the departure, as in rapture. 
 

so, they now say 2 thess 2 says this.....the day of Christ won’t happen until two things occur:

1. Departure....rapture

2. man of sin is revealed.....some pre tribbers say this occurs at the covenant being confirmed, others say this occurs at the nomination of desolation.

 Could this “new”interpretation of apostacia be correct?  I don’t think so, although I suppose there is a possibility it could be...but they (Pre tribbers) sure do think it is right (The new definition).  Finally, they have something to explain 2 thess 2. For a long time, they we’re getting punched in the face over and over regarding this passage in 2 thess 2.  Now, with this new fresh interpretation, they feel they have the rebuttal to stop the bleeding. 
 

But in the long run, I guess it’s up to you to decide who you think is right.  
spock

Hi Spock,

remember I posted regarding God`s prophetic Days?

...I.....Day of Christ........I ......Day of the Lord (God Almighty)......I....Day of God....>

2 Thess. 2: 2 actually says `the Day of the Lord.` meaning the Day when the Lord will rule with a rod of iron, in the tribulation and millennium.

1 Thess, dealt with the `Day of Christ for the Body of Christ, and 2 Thess, deals with the Day of the Lord bringing vengeance upon the rebellious.

 

God`s prophetic Days clearly define His purposes for the Body of Christ and later for Israel and the nations.