Protestant? Catholic? Confused...

[Jayne]

1 hour ago, LearningToLetGo said:

The word for "rock" shifted from masculine to feminine in this sentence. That's not obvious in a language like English. This does add a new dimension.

Yes, I am aware of the masculine/feminine bent to the nouns.  You say that adds a new diminesion.

What dimension do you think that creates to make Peter a faultless man  who speaks for God  and is the only one who is allowed to.

Wouldn't Peter's being a papal authority - and the only one until he died - rule out ANY other book of the New Testament as there can only be one pope at a time?

[LearningToLetGo]

2 minutes ago, Jayne said:

What dimension do you think that creates

Jesus would not use the feminine form of the word when referring to Peter. That's all I'm saying.

[Waggles]

2 hours ago, LearningToLetGo said:

Peter is the rock. 

No he is a stone like other first century believers would be:

1Peter 2:4  As you come to him [Jesus], a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 
5  you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 
6  For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.” 

[johnthebaptist]

5 hours ago, LearningToLetGo said:

How do the various Protestant traditions reconcile Matthew 16:18-19 which appears to be a direct mandate from Jesus to Peter to establish the church?

 

My understanding is that the Catholic Church had gone astray and that Protestantism arose from this.

[Logostician]

How does the catholic church come to the conclusion that Peter is only for them.  Did Jesus talk about an apostolic succession?  I have nothing against catholics.  I think anyone who asks Jesus to be their savior will be saved, despite all the other rituals, that they may practice that Jesus did not teach.  But why not make it simple, and go directly to Jesus?  I honestly think that catholics are saved in spite of their catholicism, in the same way anyone else is, faith in Jesus Christ as the savior of the world, and their personal savior.

[R. Hartono]

8 hours ago, LearningToLetGo said:

How do the various Protestant traditions reconcile Matthew 16:18-19 which appears to be a direct mandate from Jesus to Peter to establish the church?

 

The early church was in Jerusalem, not in Rome.

[Starise]

5 hours ago, Waggles said:

No he is a stone like other first century believers would be:

1Peter 2:4  As you come to him [Jesus], a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 
5  you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 
6  For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.” 

This may or may not be of interest. I recently discovered that Jesus was more likely a stone mason than a carpenter. 

[LearningToLetGo]

25 minutes ago, Starise said:

This may or may not be of interest. I recently discovered that Jesus was more likely a stone mason than a carpenter. 

Perhaps he's more of a general contractor? ;-)

On a serious note, thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread. I have learned a great deal from our conversation.

Jason

[Willa]

3 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

The early church was in Jerusalem, not in Rome.

Most believe that the confession of Peter is what the church was built upon.  "you are the Christ,

Mat 16:16  Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Mat 16:17  And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

Mat 16:18  And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 

[Waggles]

Isa 8:14  And he will become a sanctuary and a stone of offence and a rock of stumbling to both houses of Israel, a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Isa 26:4  Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD GOD is an everlasting rock.

Isa 51:1  “Listen to me, you who pursue righteousness, you who seek the LORD: look to the rock from which you were hewn, and to the quarry from which you were dug.

1Cor 10:2  and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 
3  and all ate the same spiritual food, 
4  and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.