Who is Resurrected, and When?

[JoeCanada]

16 hours ago, Diaste said:

Joel 1

Grain and drink offerings have been cut off

from the house of the LORD; [The A of D]

I'll just comment on this verse.  

You have quoted Joel 1:9.

Let's back up and see if this is end time context.

Verse 3 states...." Tell your sons about it, and let your sons tell their sons, and their sons the next generation"

So right here Joel is telling all the inhabitants of the land that what is going to take place will be shared for generations to come. End times?.... don't think so.

Verse 4 states... " What the gnawing locust has left, the swarming locust has eaten; And what the swarming locust has left, the creeping locust has eaten, And what the creeping locust has left, the stripping locust has eaten"

Here it shows that the locust was resident in the same area for all four of its stages. Quite unusual as locusts move to a different locale to cause destruction in their different development. The locust plague pictures a coming invading army with separate vicious qualities. The result is the people being taken captive and the land left desolate..... verse 6 and 7 explain this.

The four stages of the locust's development could be considered:

1- the desolation of the 10 tribes by the Assyrians

2- the destruction by King Neb

3- the destruction by the Romans

4- the defeat under Hadrian in AD 135

and this lines up with the earlier chapter : "Tell your sons about it, and let your sons tell their sons, and their sons the next generation"

One more thing:

The AofD may or may not have a temple. And even if the Jews do build a third temple, the Lord will not recognize it, so it won't be a "house of the Lord"

Verse 9 says that "the grain and drink offering are cut off from the house of the Lord"

 

 

[Diaste]

This isn't really the thrust of the OP but it's fascinating nonetheless.

7 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

I'll just comment on this verse.  

You have quoted Joel 1:9.

Let's back up and see if this is end time context.

So, you question the context? I quoted a great deal of Joel 1. Like this:

15Alas for the day!

For the Day of the LORD is near,

and it will come

as destruction from the Almighty.b

16Has not the food been cut off

before our very eyes—

joy and gladness

from the house of our God?

And I related the above to the 1st trump and the A of D. As this chapter illustrates, not only is there no food, destroyed in the sight of people, it has happened when the DOTL is near. This places the context in proximity to the day of the Lord when all the green grass is gone and the A of D has occurred.

 

7 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Verse 3 states...." Tell your sons about it, and let your sons tell their sons, and their sons the next generation"

So right here Joel is telling all the inhabitants of the land that what is going to take place will be shared for generations to come. End times?.... don't think so.

Well...there is Zech 14 where it's said the people must go up to worship the Lord year on year during the feast of Tabernacles. Most scholars assume this is the Millennial Kingdom. If that's 1000 years and the Millennial Kingdom is established at the Lord's return, which Joel says is near, then there would be 10 generations in which one could

Tell it to your children; let your children tell it to their children, and their children to the next generation.

In that millennium there are both Jew and gentile, not that the distinction would exist but you probably get what I mean. So this part of the prophecy is valid even after the Lord returns.

7 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Verse 4 states... " What the gnawing locust has left, the swarming locust has eaten; And what the swarming locust has left, the creeping locust has eaten, And what the creeping locust has left, the stripping locust has eaten"

In the spirit of full disclosure I'm not convinced about the truth of this reference. I have heard differing takes so I suppose what you conclude is as valid as any.

7 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Here it shows that the locust was resident in the same area for all four of its stages. Quite unusual as locusts move to a different locale to cause destruction in their different development. The locust plague pictures a coming invading army with separate vicious qualities. The result is the people being taken captive and the land left desolate..... verse 6 and 7 explain this.

The four stages of the locust's development could be considered:

1- the desolation of the 10 tribes by the Assyrians

2- the destruction by King Neb

3- the destruction by the Romans

4- the defeat under Hadrian in AD 135

Maybe.

7 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

and this lines up with the earlier chapter : "Tell your sons about it, and let your sons tell their sons, and their sons the next generation"

Yes. However, Joel also says,

Has anything like this ever happened in your days

or in the days of your fathers?

It's a rhetorical question and the answer is 'No.' If it was the Assyrians as you suggest, then the prophecy would not hold true as by the time of Nebuchadnezzar 

Has anything like this ever happened in your days or in the days of your fathers?

would have already happened under the Assyrians and the answer would be 'Yes' when it's clearly 'No'. And from what I know about the Assyrians and Babylonians, the brutality of the Assyrian Empire of Iron far outstrips the Babylonian conquest under Nebuchadnezzar and the Romans, and Hadrian, who is also Roman.

So then it would have happened in far worse form in the past.

Therefore we must look elsewhere in time for the fulfillment. 

7 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

One more thing:

The A of D may or may not have a temple. And even if the Jews do build a third temple, the Lord will not recognize it, so it won't be a "house of the Lord"

Verse 9 says that "the grain and drink offering are cut off from the house of the Lord"

You are correct. But then that concept would and should hold true for every temple ostensibly dedicated to God. No church building is the House of the Lord. The NT is clear on this as we, individual and corporate, are the living House of God. The House of the Lord has nothing to do with brick and mortar anymore. 

Yet we build brick and glass and steel houses to God everyday and none are the 'House of the Lord' but we call them that in every case.

In fact the Temples are not where the Lord dwells and have not been since before the Babylonians destroyed Solomon's Temple. But the 2nd Temple was built and called the House of God even though God did not reside in that Temple at any time:

God's glory later came to dwell in the temple built by Solomon after his fervent and humble prayer (2 Chronicles 6-7). God chose to allow His presence—again evident through the radiance and splendor of His glory—to remain in the temple for centuries. Yet after the Jews had proven their determination to continue in false, idolatrous worship, the presence of God did eventually leave the Jerusalem temple prior to its looting and destruction by the Babylonians. Even when the second temple was rebuilt in its place after the return from Jewish exile, God's glory did not occupy it. Moreover, there is no record of the shimmering, luminous glory ever again occupying an earthly building. [emphasis mine]

However, centuries later the shepherds saw the glory appear in the sky as angels announced the birth of the Savior (Luke 2:9). Indeed, the coming of Christ in the flesh was, in essence, God coming to dwell with human beings (John 1:1, 14; Matthew 1:23). And after His death and resurrection, He would again do so through the Holy Spirit.

Later, Stephen proclaimed the truth that God no longer dwells in temples made with hands (Acts 7:48). As the apostle Paul explained, God's temple is now His Church, the people whom He dwells in through the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 2:19-22; 1 Corinthians 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16). And the initial giving of the Spirit to the Church was accompanied by the miraculous signs of wind and fire, reminiscent of the glory of Ezekiel's vision (see Acts 2). 

"https://bible.ucg.org/bible-commentary/Ezekiel/Glory-of-God-departs-from-the-temple-with-the-cherubim/

So to call a building the House of the Lord is only predicated on the mind of man and not the truth of God. In this way the prophecy will be fulfilled even though God's glory does not reside in brick and glass and steel.

 

[Retrobyter]

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

Not really the context. The question of the OP is Who and When and that is in the context of the protos resurrection and the 2nd death.

Shalom, Diaste.

It's important to note that the prootos (first) resurrection doesn't occur at the same time as the deuteros (second) death. The second death isn't said to occur until AFTER haSatan has been released a THOUSAND YEARS later! 

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

Clearly the primary resurrection isn't the 1st in order as Jesus was resurrected, the graves were opened and many saints rose at that time, and people were resurrected by Jesus in the 1st century, and before that in OT times. 

The resurrection of Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") isn't the "prootos" resurrection; it's acually at a time PRIOR to the "prootos" resurrection. THAT'S why I call it the "zeroeth resurrection!" Also, HE ALONE is the Firstfruit! Not only did the others resurrected AT HIS DEATH come BEFORE He was resurrected, but they didn't have the same caliber of resurrection that He did! You can't lump all those resurrected AT HIS DEATH in with His Resurrection three days later! His Resurrection was the FIRST that could said to be as Paul put it in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 ...

"It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43
It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:
it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body."

Those resurrected at His death were still corruptible; they were not raised in glory (brightness); they were raised stronger than when they died, but still in weakness, and they were still a "natural ("soul-ual") body!" They were NOT raised immortal; they would die again!

Yeeshuwa` was the FIRST AND ONLY ONE to be resurrected as an immortal, incorruptible, glorious, powerful, "spiritual" (as the word originally meant, "air-BLASTING") body! 

The bodies that came back to life at His death were still "those in OT times!"

17 hours ago, Diaste said:

The questions are:

Is it the GT saints only in the 1st resurrection as depicted in Rev 7 and 20? Is it all the saints from all time?

YES! And, those "saints from all time" include ALL of the children of Israel who trusted God to justify them through HIS sacrifices representing the FUTURE Sacrifice of the Messiah! Furthermore, they also include the "saints" AFTER the Resurrection of the Messiah, with a CLEAR VIEW back to His PAST Sacrifice for all!

So, we are ALL - Hebrews and Gentile believers alike - to be included in the Kingdom of the Messiah, which starts when the Messiah returns and establishes His Kingdom in Israel, reigning from Jerusalem! He reigns for 1,000 years while haSatan is locked up in the bottomless pit (Revelation 20:1-7), but He will also reign FOREVER (Luke 1:30-33)!

It makes absolutely NO SENSE to separate between the children of Israel and the "Christians!" (Ephesians 2:11-22.) The problem (as I see it) is that "Christians" have this false teaching of "Heaven" stuck in their minds, and they can see nothing else! YHWH God WILL keep His promises to Avraham, Yitschaq, and Ya`aqoV, Mosheh, David, all the way down to Miryam ("Mary")! He MUST for His OWN SAKE!

Contrary to popular "Christian" opinion, the PHYSICAL is NOT EVIL! That's the Christoplatonism that was introduced into the churches in the 200s and 300s A.D. that Randy Alcorn mentions in the Appendix of his book Heaven! The sin of men and the consequences for that sin have been TEMPORARILY ADDED to the physical, but those additions will be removed when God makes all things new! He will LIFT the CURSE! (Revelation 22:3)

We human beings were CREATED AND MADE for the physical realm, and the physical realm was CREATED AND MADE for us! The New Earth will be like the Garden of Eden made anew, and what was lost, will be restored!

Before the Flood, all animals were herbivores. They didn't begin to eat meat until after the Flood of Noach's day! (Genesis 1:29-30; 9:1-6) So, all the stories that Evolutionists tell of millions of years of meat eaters eating the plant eaters is PURE FICTION! Death wasn't even introduced into the world until Adam and Chavah ("Eve" pronounced "Eh'-veh") sinned and God cursed the earth for their sake! (Genesis 3:17-19; 8:21)

ALL of this information and the prophecies dovetail together, weaving a very positive, very bright future! "They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain!" "the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth." (Isaiah 11:9; Daniel 2:35, 44-45).

Isaiah 11:1-16 (KJV)

1 "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

6 "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

10 "And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. 11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 "The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim. 14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them."

15 And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod. 16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

This prophecy to this day has NEVER been fulfilled! So, it SHALL be fulfilled, as literally as any of the other prophecies were literally fulfilled, or God would make Himself a liar!

When does this happen? When the Rod, the Branch, sits upon the throne of Israel, and He shall reign for AT LEAST a thousand years on this earth!

[WilliamL]

On 12/8/2022 at 11:14 AM, Retrobyter said:

The "Rapture" does not take people to "Heaven"; it is part of the Second Coming, and it takes people to the Messiah in the air and deposits them in the Middle East!

Not according to Rev. 7:9-14, where the saints who come out of the GT are clearly found to be in heaven. Likewise, Hebrews 12:22-23 indicate the same "general assembly"/πανηγύρει = "whole gathering" in heaven to take place.

[WilliamL]

On 12/10/2022 at 4:21 AM, Diaste said:

Not really the context. The question of the OP is Who and When and that is in the context of the protos resurrection and the 2nd death.

Clearly the primary resurrection isn't the 1st in order as Jesus was resurrected, the graves were opened and many saints rose at that time, and people were resurrected by Jesus in the 1st century, and before that in OT times. 

As I have explained a number of times and places, protos in the context of Rev. 20 means first in preeminence, not order. The word can be used both ways, so context must determine the meaning. Too many people presume it must mean only first in order, but this is incorrect.

All who are resurrected from the graves that will not be subject to the second death are/will be those of the protos resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20.

[Retrobyter]

17 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Not according to Rev. 7:9-14, where the saints who come out of the GT are clearly found to be in heaven. Likewise, Hebrews 12:22-23 indicate the same "general assembly"/πανηγύρει = "whole gathering" in heaven to take place.

Shalom, WilliamL.

Well, this is interesting.  

First, one must define "heaven." "Heaven" in the original text is the Greek word "ouranos," meaning the "sky."

Second, it is your ASSUMPTION that these saints in Revelation 7:9-14 were "clearly found to be in heaven." That all depends on WHERE this throne is found, doesn't it?

Also, third, the TIMING of this occurrence is important. Look at it again, in context, and more closely:

Revelation 7:1-17 (KJV)

1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I HEARD THE NUMBER of them which were sealed: and there were sealed ...

"an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 "Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand."

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, STOOD before the throne, and before the Lamb, CLOTHED WITH WHITE ROBES, and PALMS IN THEIR HANDS; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying,

"Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb."

11 And all the angels (messengers) STOOD round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying,

"Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen."

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me,

"What are these which are ARRAYED in white robes? and whence came they?" 

14 And I said unto him,

"Sir, thou knowest."

And he said to me,

"These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have WASHED THEIR ROBES, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night IN HIS TEMPLE: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. (See Revelation 21:3.) 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all TEARS from their EYES. (See Revelation 21:4.)"

This is a FLASH-FORWARD to what God is GOING to do! So, I don't think this is "a scene in Heaven" at all!

Now, let's look at Hebrews 12:22-23 in context:

Hebrews 12:14-29 (KJV)

14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: 15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; 16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. 17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance (undoing what he did), though he sought it carefully with tears.

18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, 19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: 20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: 21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said,

"I exceedingly fear and quake!" : )

22 But ye ARE COME ...
unto mount Sion (Zion, Tsiyyown),
and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem (Greek: Ierousaleem epouranioo = "Jerusalem from-ab0ve-the-sky"),
and to an innumerable company of angels, 
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven (Greek: apogegrammenoon en ouranois = "having-been-enrolled in [the] skies"),
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel (Hevel).

25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: 26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying,

"Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven." (Haggai 2:8)

27 And this word, "Yet once more," signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: 29 For our God is a consuming fire!

 

Now, here's an interesting (oddball) fact about the verb at the beginning of verse 22, translated "are come":

The word is "proseleeluthate," προσεληλύθατε, pronounced "pros-el-ay-loo'-thah-teh," which is the second-person, plural form of the perfect tense, indicative mood, active voice of ...

4334 proserchomai προσέρχομαι (pros-er'-khom-ahee). From pros πρός and erchomai  ἔρχομαι (including its alternate); to approach, i.e. (literally) come near, visit, or (figuratively) worship, assent to:
-- (as soon as he) come (unto), come thereunto, consent, draw near, go (near, to, unto).

The perfect tense is usually translated as "you have come," but in this particular case, it means "you are 'coming near'" or "you have 'begun to come near'" because the "approach" is found within the structure of the prefix "pros," meaning "to" or "toward" or "before." So, the BEGINNING of "coming near" has already been started in the past, BUT the word itself is the PROCESS of coming near! IF the word was just based upon "erchomai," then, yes, it would have meant "you have come," but the word is COMPOUNDED with an adjectival prefix!

Thus, it is NOT a "finished action" in the past; it is a "PROCESS" of "coming" that has been STARTED in the past! The START of the process is a "finished action" in the past! Most don't realize this, and consequently translate the word incorrectly.

It should be fairly obvious that the ones receiving this letter (and we) haven't actually ARRIVED in the New Jerusalem, yet, but most just figure that it means FIGURATIVELY by "being one with the Messiah." Since the Messiah is there, then we are there, too, IN HIM. Some will even suggest that it means "after we die" we arrive in the New Jerusalem, but that, too, would be a allegorization of what the text says.

But, one CAN take the verse literally if one realizes the meaning of the word and its tense. It's not that "we've arrived" but that we are IN THE PROCESS of arriving! That process can be assured because it's already a "done deal"; we've already started down the path of that process, which man cannot undo.

 

So, the "whole gathering" doesn't take place until the FUTURE! And, that future is the Resurrection of the saints and their ascension and gathering by His messengers to the Messiah, who will be fighting against those wanting to take His Land and kill His People!

Edited December 12, 2022 by Retrobyter
to get rid of unintended smile emoji

[Retrobyter]

17 hours ago, WilliamL said:

As I have explained a number of times and places, protos in the context of Rev. 20 means first in preeminence, not order. The word can be used both ways, so context must determine the meaning. Too many people presume it must mean only first in order, but this is incorrect.

All who are resurrected from the graves that will not be subject to the second death are/will be those of the protos resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20.

Shalom, WilliamL.

Well, let's see: You use the context (supposedly) to support that "prootos" means "first in preeminence," but you use the word "prootos" IN the context to suggest that this word points to those resurrected at the Great White Throne who are not subject to the Second Death. Am I understanding you correctly?

 

[Diaste]

On 12/11/2022 at 11:40 AM, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Diaste.

It's important to note that the prootos (first) resurrection doesn't occur at the same time as the deuteros (second) death. The second death isn't said to occur until AFTER haSatan has been released a THOUSAND YEARS later! 

That's what I have been saying all along. It's good to agree.

On 12/11/2022 at 11:40 AM, Retrobyter said:

The resurrection of Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") isn't the "prootos" resurrection; it's acually at a time PRIOR to the "prootos" resurrection. THAT'S why I call it the "zeroeth resurrection!" Also, HE ALONE is the Firstfruit! Not only did the others resurrected AT HIS DEATH come BEFORE He was resurrected, but they didn't have the same caliber of resurrection that He did! You can't lump all those resurrected AT HIS DEATH in with His Resurrection three days later! His Resurrection was the FIRST that could said to be as Paul put it in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 ...

Well, again...that's my conclusion based on the facts of scripture.

On 12/11/2022 at 11:40 AM, Retrobyter said:

YES! And, those "saints from all time" include ALL of the children of Israel who trusted God to justify them through HIS sacrifices representing the FUTURE Sacrifice of the Messiah! Furthermore, they also include the "saints" AFTER the Resurrection of the Messiah, with a CLEAR VIEW back to His PAST Sacrifice for all!

I wish this could be proven by someone. I see no time stamp nor positive identity of exactly whom is resurrected when [the all important time factor] throughout the NT except for 'at the last day', whenever that is, and that the participants in the protos resurrection are described as the ones who faced the beast and won.

 

On 12/11/2022 at 11:40 AM, Retrobyter said:

So, we are ALL - Hebrews and Gentile believers alike - to be included in the Kingdom of the Messiah, which starts when the Messiah returns and establishes His Kingdom in Israel, reigning from Jerusalem! He reigns for 1,000 years while haSatan is locked up in the bottomless pit (Revelation 20:1-7), but He will also reign FOREVER (Luke 1:30-33)!

I agree.

On 12/11/2022 at 11:40 AM, Retrobyter said:

It makes absolutely NO SENSE to separate between the children of Israel and the "Christians!" (Ephesians 2:11-22.) The problem (as I see it) is that "Christians" have this false teaching of "Heaven" stuck in their minds, and they can see nothing else! YHWH God WILL keep His promises to Avraham, Yitschaq, and Ya`aqoV, Mosheh, David, all the way down to Miryam ("Mary")! He MUST for His OWN SAKE!

I don't think it's a false teaching about heaven that forms the foundation of the misinterpretation. I see it as a pride issue; more prejudice and bigotry than a supposed false idea of heaven. The white, western, dispensational, pretrib church cannot humble themselves to accept the adoption into, but must elevate themselves over, using replacement theology. That's my opinion anyway. 

[Retrobyter]

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

That's what I have been saying all along. It's good to agree.

Shalom, Diaste.

Okay, good so far.

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

Well, again...that's my conclusion based on the facts of scripture.

Are you agreeing with me or are you saying your conclusion is different than what I just said? As a reminder, I said (and I'm adding to it),

'The resurrection of Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") isn't the "prootos" resurrection; it's acually at a time PRIOR to the "prootos" resurrection. THAT'S why I call it the "zeroeth resurrection!" Also, HE ALONE is the Firstfruit (SINGULAR), according to 1 Corinthians 15:20-23! Not only did the others resurrected AT HIS DEATH come BEFORE He was resurrected, but they didn't have the same caliber of resurrection that He did! You can't lump all those resurrected AT HIS DEATH in with His Resurrection three days later! His Resurrection was the FIRST that could said to be as Paul put it in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44, a resurrection that provided a body that was immortal, incorruptible, powerful, and glorious.'

One can either use the natural numbers (N), 1,2,3,..., for counting,
OR, one can use the whole numbers (W), 0,1,2,..., for counting.

The only difference is recognizing zero as a number that comes before one.

John in the Revelation and several others, even our Lord Himself, use the "first resurrection" for that of the just. The "second resurrection" is used for the resurrection of the unjust, which occurs just prior to the Great White Throne Judgment.

In 1 Corinthians 15:20-28, Paul is talking about SIGNIFICANT resurrections, which include the two general resurrections, the first is at the BEGINNING of His reign on earth at His Second Coming, and the second is at the END of the 1,000 years after haSatan has been released and done his worst to damage humanity and drag them down to the Lake of Fire with him.

Those who are justified throughout the Millennium will not need to be resurrected at the end of the 1,000 years; they will just be CHANGED instantly, as Paul described at the end of 1 Corinthians 15! Remember! Yeeshuwa` said, "I am the Resurrection and the Life!" Do you think that those who trust in the Messiah during the first 1,000 years of His Kingdom will DIE? Both the Messiah Himself and His subjects will have the power of Resurrection within them! That person who trusts in the Messiah will be INSTANTLY changed into a glorious, immortal, incorruptible, air-BLASTING body! Both Peter and Paul and the rest of the Apostles had the power to raise the dead, just as the Messiah Yeeshuwa` did (and still does)! So, this will happen to ALL new believers throughout the Millennium! No "general resurrection" needed!

Therefore, there will be NO ONE LEFT of the just who needs resurrection at the end of the Millennium. Thus, the second resurrection is of the UNJUST ONLY!

 

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

I wish this could be proven by someone. I see no time stamp nor positive identity of exactly whom is resurrected when [the all important time factor] throughout the NT except for 'at the last day', whenever that is, and that the participants in the protos resurrection are described as the ones who faced the beast and won.

Okay, challenge accepted!

I had said, 'YES! And, those "saints ("holy ones," "ones who were ritually cleansed") from all time" include ALL of the children of Israel who trusted God to justify them through HIS sacrifices representing the FUTURE Sacrifice of the Messiah! Furthermore, they also include the "saints" ("holy ones", "ones who were ritually cleansed") AFTER the Resurrection of the Messiah, with a CLEAR VIEW back to His PAST Sacrifice for all!'

First, note that this "time stamping" won't come from Revelation 20, because that is the passage in question.

Now, there are two points I wish to make first:

(1) People in the OT times were "saved" (justified by God) in the SAME WAY that people in the NT times were "saved" and are "saved" today.

(2) People in the OT times were promised a Resurrection the same as people in the NT times were promised a Resurrection!

So, here's the proof of (1):

David had said,

Psalm 32:1-11 (KJV)

1 {A Psalm of David, Maschil.}

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.

5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, "I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD"; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

6 For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.
7 Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.

8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
10 Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.
11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.

Notice: Throughout this psalm, David never mentions sacrificing to YHWH.

THIS was how one was justified in the "Old Testament times."

Note how Micah put it:

Micah 6:6-8 (KJV)

6 Wherewith shall I come before the LORD (YHWH), and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old?

7 Will the LORD (YHWH) be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil?

shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but ...
1) to do justly, and
2) to love mercy, and
3) to walk humbly with thy God?

The author of Hebrews confirms this attitude about the animal sacrifices:

Hebrews 9:11-28; 10:1-18 (KJV)

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament isof force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. 18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 20 Saying,

"This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you." (Exodus 24:8)

21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. 22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith,

"Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I,

'Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.'" (Psalm 40:6-8)

8 Above when he said,

"Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein";

which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he,

"Lo, I come to do thy will, O God."

He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 "'This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days,' saith the Lord, 'I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.'" (Jeremiah 31:33)

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

The point is this: People came to be justified by God in "Old Testament" times the SAME WAY that people in the "New Testament" times (including the present)! They came ...

1) BY GOD'S GRACE,
2) THROUGH FAITH IN GOD'S ABILITY TO DO FOR THEM WHAT THEY COULD NOT DO FOR THEMSELVES,
3) BY BLOOD.

In OT times, the animal sacrifices were REPRESENTATIVE! They had no power to actually take away sins! They merely HID those sins - COVERED them up - for another year! David recognized this and prophesied that there would come a MAN who could be the TRUE Sacrifice! From Yeeshuwa`s time on, we can look back and recognize that the MAN was none other than the Messiah - the Anointed - of God, Yeeshuwa`!

Now, here is the proof of (2):

First, Iyov (Job) said,

Job 19:23-27 (KJV) 

23 "Oh that my words were now written! oh that they were printed in a book!
24 That they were graven with an iron pen and lead in the rock for ever!
25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me."

Second, Ezekiel gave us this part of his prophecy, God's words to and through him:

Ezekiel 37:1-28 (KJV)

1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, 2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. 3 And he said unto me,

"Son of man, can these bones live?"

And I answered,

"O Lord GOD, thou knowest."

4 Again he said unto me,

"Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them,

"'O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. 5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones;

"'"Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: 6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD."'"

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. 8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. 

9 Then said he unto me,

"Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind,

"'Thus saith the Lord GOD;

"'"Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live."'"

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11Then he said unto me,

"Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, 'Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.' 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them,

"'Thus saith the Lord GOD;

"'"Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it," saith the LORD.'"

15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, 

16 "Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, 'For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions' : then take another stick, and write upon it, 'For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions' : 17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. 

18 "And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, 'Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?' 19 Say unto them,

"'Thus saith the Lord GOD;

"'"Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand."'

20"And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. 21 And say unto them,

"'Thus saith the Lord GOD;

"'"Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: 22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: 23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 "'"And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one Shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore."'"

Men have claimed that this passage is all "figurative" language, that it is "allegorical" and not physical, and use the word "spiritual" (wrongly, I might add). But, this is no more "allegorical" or "figurative" than any other prophecy that God has made come true in every point LITERALLY! Over 400 prophecies (according to some who have counted) about the Messiah's First Advent - His First Coming - came true EXACTLY as written! They were fulfilled LITERALLY! Why should this prophecy be any different?

However, we also have the messenger's words in Daniel 12:

Daniel 12:1-3 (KJV)

1 "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." 

And, then there is Samuel's mother Hannah, who prayed in 1 Samuel 2:

1 Samuel 2:1-10 (KJV)

1 And Hannah prayed, and said,

"My heart rejoiceth in the LORD, mine horn is exalted in the LORD: my mouth is enlarged over mine enemies; because I rejoice in thy salvation.
2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
3 Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.
4 The bows of the mighty men are broken, and they that stumbled are girded with strength.
5 They that were full have hired out themselves for bread; and they that were hungry ceased: so that the barren hath born seven; and she that hath many children is waxed feeble.
6 The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.
7 The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.
8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.
9 He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness; for by strength shall no man prevail.
10 The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed (Messiah)."

The children of Israel in the OT times believed in a Resurrection the same as we do today; they just didn't have some of the detail that we were given in the Apostles' writings. So, why were they given prophecies concerning Resurrection if the prophecies were not applicable to their Resurrection in the future?!

In fact, in Acts 23:6-10, Paul was a Pharisee who believed in the Resurrection, and when he saw that his opponents consisted of a mixture of Pharisees and Sadducees, he used the topic of the Resurrection to divide them! Y'know, the "enemy of my enemies is my friend," because human beings are naturally dichotomous. Rather than all of them pitted against Paul, he turned it around to those who believed in the Resurrection versus those who did not!

Now, remember what I wrote above:

Those who are justified throughout the Millennium will not need to be resurrected at the end of the 1,000 years; they will just be CHANGED instantly, as Paul described at the end of 1 Corinthians 15! Remember! Yeeshuwa` said, "I am the Resurrection and the Life!" Do you think that those who trust in the Messiah during the first 1,000 years of His Kingdom will DIE? Both the Messiah Himself and His subjects will have the power of Resurrection within them! That person who trusts in the Messiah will be INSTANTLY changed into a glorious, immortal, incorruptible, air-BLASTING body! Both Peter and Paul and the rest of the Apostles had the power to raise the dead, just as the Messiah Yeeshuwa` did (and still does)! So, this will happen to ALL new believers throughout the Millennium! No "general resurrection" needed!

Therefore, there will be NO ONE LEFT of the just who needs resurrection at the end of the Millennium. Thus, the second resurrection is of the UNJUST ONLY!

So, when will the OT saints be resurrected? Won't they, too, be resurrected at the Coming of the Messiah?! Why would they be resurrected AFTER the first 1,000 years of the Kingdom has been happening? Aren't they subjects of the Kingdom of David? Shouldn't they be subjects of the Kingdom of the Messiah Yeeshuwa`, as well? It does NOT make sense otherwise! Isn't He the Messiah which was promised to THEM, LONG before Gentiles were grafted into the Kingdom? Furthermore, one would AT LEAST expect David himself to be there! After all, we have prophecies that SAY he will be there! Ezekiel 37:24, which we just quoted, says he will be there, and in a role of kingship, at that! I believe the "Shepherd" is Someone OTHER than David, and He is the Messiah, who reigns over all of the subordinate kings - the "KING of kings!"

 

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

I agree.

I don't think it's a false teaching about heaven that forms the foundation of the misinterpretation. I see it as a pride issue; more prejudice and bigotry than a supposed false idea of heaven. The white, western, dispensational, pretrib church cannot humble themselves to accept the adoption into, but must elevate themselves over, using replacement theology. That's my opinion anyway. 

You're right; pride DOES enter into it, regarding the humility of accepting their position within God's Kingdom once ruled by David and now through the Jewish Messiah, Yeeshuwa`, as well as the PRIDE OF LIFE! This is the idea that we can't really be dead between the time we die and the Resurrection! "We MUST still exist somewhere! The soul goes off to Heaven," they say, but this is FORGETTING or rather STUBBORNLY IGNORING, EVEN DENYING the fact that the word "soul" comes from the Hebrew word "nefesh" meaning "an air-breathing creature!" How does the "AIR-BREATHING creature" leave the BODY and go off to "Heaven?!"

Now, I'm not chiding anyone; I just want to remind/inform for the first time people about to what they have to look forward! It's going to be SUCH a HAPPY TIME!!!

[Diaste]

8 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

'The resurrection of Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") isn't the "prootos" resurrection; it's acually at a time PRIOR to the "prootos" resurrection. THAT'S why I call it the "zeroeth resurrection!" Also, HE ALONE is the Firstfruit (SINGULAR), according to 1 Corinthians 15:20-23! Not only did the others resurrected AT HIS DEATH come BEFORE He was resurrected, but they didn't have the same caliber of resurrection that He did! You can't lump all those resurrected AT HIS DEATH in with His Resurrection three days later! His Resurrection was the FIRST that could said to be as Paul put it in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44, a resurrection that provided a body that was immortal, incorruptible, powerful, and glorious.'

Well now that you have gone and remodeled what you said before I can't agree as stated.

 And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

So we see this in Rev 20:4. It's the people who fought the beast and won coming to life and reigning for 1000 years;

 And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

There really is no other group that comes to life and reigns with Jesus for the millennium nor is there another group that reigns with Jesus for 1000 years not fitting the description from Rev 20:4. So here Rev 20:5 specifies who came to life and reigned with Christ for 1000 years:

The ones who faced the power and authority of the beast.

The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. 

It's clear there are other dead not resurrected. It's obvious that all the ones described in Rev 20:4 are of the dead, and it's factual that all the ones in Rev 20:4 died refusing to worship the beast and/or the image and also eschewed the mark and a great many[probably] who lost their heads because of their refusal.

This also speaks to other dead not resurrected or come back to life with those from Rev 20:4. There is sound reasoning and logic behind just listening to what is said here. Every one from Rev 20:4 died and they came to life and reigned for 1000 years, those who did not meet the criteria of Rev 20:4 did not come back to life until 1000 years later.

This is the first resurrection

This can only refer to Rev 20:4. The "The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete" means some dead came to life before, 1000 years before, in the 'first' resurrection.

Here is how Strong's defines 'first' in Rev 20:5-6:

prótos: first, chief

Original Word: πρῶτος, η, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: prótos
Phonetic Spelling: (pro'-tos)
Definition: first, chief
Usage: first, before, principal, most important.

HELPS Word-studies

4413 prṓtos (an adjective, derived from 4253 /pró, "before, forward") – first (foremost). 4413 /prṓtos ("first, foremost") is the superlative form of 4253 /pró ("before") meaning "what comes first" (is "number one").

It's not necessarily first in order, it could be but it depends on context. We know there were several resurrections before the future resurrection of Rev 20:4-6 so 1st in order is out. That means this 'first' resurrection is 'before' perhaps; which it is, or it could be 'primary', 'important'. It's all that.

What it isn't is referring to Christ's resurrection in the 1st century. 

"This is the first resurrection" is a direct reference to Rev 20:4.

Really the only ones described are the dead which were beheaded or died because of their refusal to take the mark or worship the beast and or the image. Jesus did not do that, nor was He alive on earth at the time when the mark on the forehead or right hand was required to remain living. 

So this first resurrection has nothing, not one thing, to do with Jesus Christ's resurrection in the 1st century.

And the more the idea is challenged the more it withstands all opposition:

The only ones taken in the first resurrection are those that directly faced the power and authority of the beast and won; it is not a general resurrection from all time.

It's the 2nd death that's the general resurrection from all time after the 1000 years when Satan is finally destroyed.