The Rapture under attack

[Revelation Man]

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

No one says there isn't a gathering. It's timing.

22 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

True, but this chapter is pointing unto a Rapture and that is the only DEPARURE spoken of in this chapter. So, the Departure has to happen before the Day of the Lord comes.

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

Again, it's not the fact of the gathering, it's the timing.

22 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

And THE VERY READING gives us THE TIMING.

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

The prophetic word of an Eternal God concerning the salvation of His people shouldn't be likened to "The Great Gatsby". 

That's a terrifying, mad fearlessness of the power of the Most High.

22 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Paul in a Letter stated this unto the Thessalonians, you do understand this is a letter right? But in spite of that, the Word Paul used was DEPARTURE, it was Discessio which also meant DEPARTURE in the Greek, so, when MEN change it in order to take a dig at another church (RCC) and you guys just go along with it, that has nothin to do with The Great Gatsby, that is you guys and other refusing to admit what the actual words written by Paul meant. The word SHORLY in Rev 1:1 comes from the word TACHOS you do understand that is where we get our English word tachometer from right? So, it means in a short time span, it means IN HASTE, it means QUICKY, look it up, words are misconstrued all of the time. 

You are making light of these facts because you can not win the debate. The facts destroy you guys thesis. Its obvious the Departure of the Church is what this means, there is no FAITH spoken of, you can't get past that so you ignore it. But we indeed see the Rapture of the Church in the passage.

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

But you don't know what was told by Paul. You're making a great assumption then basing a conclusion on what was assumed to be said. 

I know by reading the WHOLE BIBLE and the guidance of the Holy Spirit that the Rapture is Pre Trib. I think these were just letters unto the Churches that Paul pastored. I don't think they are Thus Saith the Lord type scriptures, else Paul would have expounded on these subjects in full to be clear, but I am clear because I do not rely on one passage, but the whole bible. Of course the letters of Paul are now Canonized Scriptures that teach us great nuggets of truth, but we must remember Paul did not see them as that when he wrote them, or else he would have explained in more detail at times. So, we have to dig deep and wade through the back and forth in al of the letters to dig out the facts. I can do that, its my calling, but even if this letter did not exist, the bible shows us ONLY Pre Trib can be true. 

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

Well, to overcome you have to be in the fight. You don't fight, you don't win. This makes a pretrib idea on overcoming by not even being in the stadium ludicrous.

22 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

John 16:33, Jesus says ALL TIME on earth is tribulation, Jesus tells us he has overcome the world, so that means we also over come the world like Jesus, that is our fight. We are not overcome by the Anti-Christ, that is not our fight. Matt. 24:14 tells us when our mission is over, when the Gospel has been preached unto the whole world (as in now). The time of the Gentiles is in reference to the Mantle being taken away from the Jews during the Church Age period.

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

Yeah. Some scriptural truth is more truthful than other truth. Feel safe to ignore what you don't like.

No thank you.

There is no truth that says the Christian Church goes through the Tribulation of Jacob. 

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

This is just a very sad emotional appeal to a false conception.

No one wants to be in this time. The difference is some have great confidence and trust in Jesus that He will walk us through and deliver us to eternal life no matter what battle rages all around us. 

Just like Noah and the ark during the flood, when Noah was saved from the flood in the ark; when the flood of the fire of testing comes, the Spiritual Ark of Christ's power and provision for our safety is where we will weather the firestorm.

No one who has the holy spirit will be here for the tribulation period, PERIOD. There is no chance the church is here save the Remnant Church of Rev. 12:17. The TIMING proves this over and over brother. None of your timing ever works out, it doesn't fit.

Noah was not in the flood per se he was in the Ark. The difference is elementary, Jesus still had to be birthed, the Gospel Mission will have been completed by the time we leave, this Noah's mission was not complete, Israel had to remain on the earth, we don't have to remain once our mission is complete. There has to be HUMAN BEINGS LIVING, who are Jews in order for Jesus to reign over the world 1000 years during the Kingdom Age.

There is zero chance the Church will be here during the trib. 

[truth7t7]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

the reason the Gates of Hell can't overcome the Church is the Church is taken out of the 70th week Pre Trib. SIMPLE STUFF.

 

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture as you suggest, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Only in your preconceived mind brother, because its not really a truth. None of the facts fits. None of the timing fits. Where I destroy you guys is in the details, just because YOU AGREE with this guy doesn't him nor you are correct, it makes you both incorrect. On the other hand I explain in simple terms all things, like Jesus saying the Gates of Hell WILL NOT overcome my Church. Did Jesus lie? Of course not, Satan  whispers lies to men, the reason the Gates of Hell can't overcome the Church is the Church is taken out of the 70th week Pre Trib. SIMPLE STUFF.

 

So are you saying that Satan WOULD overcome the church, if it remained on the earth.  Wow.  I myself believe that if the CHURCH would teach Gods Truth,  then those fiery darts of Satan couldn't touch them them no matter WHERE they were.  That is GODS PROTECTION.  Knowing what is written is what KEEPS and delivers us from all evil.  To be DECEIVED requires a LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, that's all.  Faith in the power of God here, there and everywhere. 

 
Saying the GENTILE CHURCH would indeed fail, if not taken out of the battle is really quite a statement.   Not much different than those who rejected the Messiah by  NOT UNDERSTANDING what was written...though they thought themselves to be scholars

[JoeCanada]

10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The Spirit ALWAYS testifies unto the Spirit (which is why I knew Beny Hinn was not a fake and that some others were). 

Benny Hinn????????????????????

You have got to be kidding.

Benny Hinn is a false prophet.

Benny Hinn is a heretic.

I have no idea which 'spirit' testified to your 'spirit' about Benny Hinn NOT being fake, but I can guarantee you that it was NOT the Holy Spirit of God.

No way!

No how!

[Revelation Man]

12 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture as you suggest, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man

I would not ever expect you to be able to find it. No surprise to me at all. My advice people listening to you would be 95 percent of what you say, do the opposite.

[Revelation Man]

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

So are you saying that Satan WOULD overcome the church, if it remained on the earth.  Wow.  I myself believe that if the CHURCH would teach Gods Truth,  then those fiery darts of Satan couldn't touch them them no matter WHERE they were.  That is GODS PROTECTION.  Knowing what is written is what KEEPS and delivers us from all evil.  To be DECEIVED requires a LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, that's all.  Faith in the power of God here, there and everywhere. 

Of course, the Remnant Church are the Martyrs under the 5th Seal, they are told by Jesus (LISTEN NOW) that they MUST WAIT until ALL of their Brothers have been killed in like manner !! Get it now? That means he will kill the whole Remnant Church on earth, this is why the 3-5 million Jews who Flee Judea (144,000) have to be protected, else the Jews would be wiped out. The Church is taken to Heaven. How hard is it to read Rev 19, see the Church Marry the Lamb then return with Jesus while he Beast is still on the earth, I men seriously, how bad at End Time Eschatology does one have to be to not grasp that means the Church is in Heaven and then returns with Jesus? 

If he kills all of the Church of course he would overcome the Church, this is why the Holy Spirit WITHOLDS his coming firth until after the Rapture, because all one has to do is read to understand that for 42 months Satan/Anti-Crist is given total power over the Saints don't believe it, READ IT HERE......

Rev. 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

So, is he not given POWER to OVERCOME the Saints right there sister? And Jesus stated he would not OVERCOME his Church. The reason he can't overcome us AND is give power to overcome the end time 70th week Remnant Church is we are not here during the 7th week, only the 5 Virgins left are here, of course. So either Jesus lied or we must be in Heaven. You guys can never make the word fit your Rapture timings, I can, because truth is always truth.

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Saying the GENTILE CHURCH would indeed fail, if not taken out of the battle is really quite a statement.   Not much different than those who rejected the Messiah by  NOT UNDERSTANDING what was written...though they thought themselves to be scholars

So, if the Church was NOT TAKEN OUT, Jesus would not have stated the Gates of Hell will not overcome my Church, because he states in Rev. 13 that the Saints WILL be overcome by Satan and his Demons during the 70th week. That is the WHOLE POINT, Jesus can not lie, thus the Church that can not be OVERCOME can not be here during the 70th week when Jesus shows us the Saints will be OVERCOME. It is not a big wow sister, its you not adding it up properly. It the Church will never be allowed to be overcome by the gates of hell, but the END TIME Saints will be allowed to be overcome, thus both can not be true unless there s a Pre Trib Rapture. Thus nothing you can come up with can overcome these fast facts sister. 

[Revelation Man]

21 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Benny Hinn????????????????????

You have got to be kidding.

Benny Hinn is a false prophet.

Benny Hinn is a heretic.

I have no idea which 'spirit' testified to your 'spirit' about Benny Hinn NOT being fake, but I can guarantee you that it was NOT the Holy Spirit of God.

No way!

No how!

Why should I be surprised you can't tell the works of the Holy Spirit. Do you even go to church brother? Mocking the Holy Spirits work is a no no. Jesus told the Pharisees all things would be forgiven but not blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. You have been warned brother, if you do not understand it let it be. I have been preaching the holy word for 37 plus years and it never ceases to amaze me at the lack of discernment in todays church. 

I mean, you even get the timing of the rapture wrong !! It is what it is I guess. 

Edited July 10, 2022 by Revelation Man

[truth7t7]

12 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Why should I be surprised you can't tell the works of the Holy Spirit. Do you even go to church brother? Mocking the Holy Spirits work is a no no. Jesus told the Pharisees all things would be forgiven but not blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. You have been warned brother, if you do not understand it let not be. I have been preaching the holy word for 37 plus years and it never ceases to amaze me at the lack of discernment in todays church. 

I mean, you even get the timing of the rapture wrong !! It is what it is I guess. 

Jesus Is The Lord

Edited July 10, 2022 by truth7t7

[Alive]

Brothers…let’ recall the TOS. Keep it topical and not personal.

The children are listening.

:-)

[Diaste]

20 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

True, but this chapter is pointing unto a Rapture and that is the only DEPARURE spoken of in this chapter. So, the Departure has to happen before the Day of the Lord comes.

And THE VERY READING gives us THE TIMING.

Paul in a Letter stated this unto the Thessalonians, you do understand this is a letter right? But in spite of that, the Word Paul used was DEPARTURE, it was Discessio which also meant DEPARTURE in the Greek, so, when MEN change it in order to take a dig at another church (RCC) and you guys just go along with it, that has nothin to do with The Great Gatsby, that is you guys and other refusing to admit what the actual words written by Paul meant. The word SHORLY in Rev 1:1 comes from the word TACHOS you do understand that is where we get our English word tachometer from right? So, it means in a short time span, it means IN HASTE, it means QUICKY, look it up, words are misconstrued all of the time. 

You are making light of these facts because you can not win the debate. The facts destroy you guys thesis. Its obvious the Departure of the Church is what this means, there is no FAITH spoken of, you can't get past that so you ignore it. But we indeed see the Rapture of the Church in the passage.

I know by reading the WHOLE BIBLE and the guidance of the Holy Spirit that the Rapture is Pre Trib. I think these were just letters unto the Churches that Paul pastored. I don't think they are Thus Saith the Lord type scriptures, else Paul would have expounded on these subjects in full to be clear, but I am clear because I do not rely on one passage, but the whole bible. Of course the letters of Paul are now Canonized Scriptures that teach us great nuggets of truth, but we must remember Paul did not see them as that when he wrote them, or else he would have explained in more detail at times. So, we have to dig deep and wade through the back and forth in al of the letters to dig out the facts. I can do that, its my calling, but even if this letter did not exist, the bible shows us ONLY Pre Trib can be true. 

John 16:33, Jesus says ALL TIME on earth is tribulation, Jesus tells us he has overcome the world, so that means we also over come the world like Jesus, that is our fight. We are not overcome by the Anti-Christ, that is not our fight. Matt. 24:14 tells us when our mission is over, when the Gospel has been preached unto the whole world (as in now). The time of the Gentiles is in reference to the Mantle being taken away from the Jews during the Church Age period.

There is no truth that says the Christian Church goes through the Tribulation of Jacob. 

No one who has the holy spirit will be here for the tribulation period, PERIOD. There is no chance the church is here save the Remnant Church of Rev. 12:17. The TIMING proves this over and over brother. None of your timing ever works out, it doesn't fit.

Noah was not in the flood per se he was in the Ark. The difference is elementary, Jesus still had to be birthed, the Gospel Mission will have been completed by the time we leave, this Noah's mission was not complete, Israel had to remain on the earth, we don't have to remain once our mission is complete. There has to be HUMAN BEINGS LIVING, who are Jews in order for Jesus to reign over the world 1000 years during the Kingdom Age.

There is zero chance the Church will be here during the trib. 

Sure, sure. We'll see.