Is it possible that homosexuality is a birth defect?

[Not of the World]

2 minutes ago, Alive said:

Have you ever seen a child in a cart at a store screaming bloody murder and the parent allowing it? That child is going to have much difficulty later in life. 
They need to learn the turn off switch.

I've known people who had really good kids who grew up and fit into society but who also had a child that was, so to speak, Hell on wheels and grew up to be dysfunctional and prone to antisocial and criminal behavior.  

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, Not of the World said:

I've known people who had really good kids who grew up and fit into society but who also had a child that was, so to speak, Hell on wheels and grew up to be dysfunctional and prone to antisocial and criminal behavior.  

Yes…I have seen the same. Those outside of Christ remain in the old Adam and the domain of darkness.

Many bad things happen there.

[AdHoc]

7 hours ago, Not of the World said:

I believe some are "born" gay. Is it possible that such an unnatural desire is, in some cases, a birth defect just like being born with only one arm is a birth defect?  

The following passage sheds gives light from the infallible God.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them (Ro 1:24–32)

V.24 - it is a "lust of the OWN heart"

V.26 - It is "vile affections"  a taste developed and fed

V.26 - it is "against nature"

V.27 - It is NOT natural, "burning in lust", "unseemly", and worthy of "recompense"

V.28 - it is "not convenient"

V.32 - "worthy of death" and knowing it is unnatural, promote it

The phrase "gives them over" does not mean that God promotes it. It means that man tends towards these thing but God restrains His creature. If gross evil is present, God removes His restraint and the person has no means of avoiding his tendency.

[Alive]

I have observed individuals with an ‘unnatural lust’ for food. Discerning there is a difference with that and a natural enjoyment of preferred food.

To the ‘schooled’ or exercised, by the Lord…these things are evident.

That which is unbridled runs free or rather runs bound.

[Jayne]

7 hours ago, Not of the World said:

I believe some are "born" gay. Is it possible that such an unnatural desire is, in some cases, a birth defect just like being born with only one arm is a birth defect?  

Birth defects are structural damages incurred inside the womb.  They show sometimes during ultrasounds and many times at birth.

Birth defects stem from the following [and hang on, I do have a point] - 

• if the mother was exposed to bad medications [think Thalidomide babies], chemicals, smoking, alcohol, or illegal drugs during pregnancy
• sometimes genetics or history of birth defects in the family
• mother being  over 40
• history of birth defects in the family
• untreated sexually transmitted diseases leading to untreated bacterial or viral infections while pregnant

OK, my point.

Secular science has been ACTIVELY searching for the "gay gene" and homosexual biological causes since the 1970's and have not found it.

Birth defects are and have been for a very long time obviously related to obvious biological causes and more.

If there were a biological cause to being gay, it would have already been easily found.

There is no gay gene or birth related cause.

There is no straight gene or birth related cause.

Sexual orientation stems from something else.

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, BibleStudent100 said:

But the real question is, "does it matter?"  If the Bible condemns behavior X, then behavior X is wrong, regardless of one's "natural proclivities."

Does anyone know what it means to be: "transgender"? It happens in 0ne out of 500, and they look like women, but they have a male organ that in some cases can produce a baby. I am pretty sure women do not want transgenders in their dressing room. It is obvious that these people have a real problem in life. I am pretty sure there are no simple answers or simple solutions because it is complicated. They usually do not want to talk about it and see no advantage to talking to people about it. That maybe why we know so little about their condition. 

Of course, one in five hundred with genetic issues is a far cry from the 10% who have no physical issues to deal with. They have some pretty wild confrontations when the police are called in. Shots fired, children alleged to be kidnapped, and so forth. I have some trail cames that have some pretty wild photos of when five or six police cars are called in with lights flashing. 

The miss tres pilipinas on AGT are a good example of transgenders who will surprise you with their deep voice when they sing. But it is common in the Philippines for them to joke about things like this. That is the way their culture is. 

 

[AnOrangeCat]

41 minutes ago, Not of the World said:

I believe that birth defects are a symptom of man's fallen state.  I believe it possible that "natural" born homosexuals might actually be cursed with that unnatural affliction just as we are ALL born with the unnatural affliction of sin.  

This is where I stand on the matter. I actually do believe it's quite possible for this to be a birth defect and thus "natural". It's not much different from someone having a natural inclination toward any given sin. We all have our battles to fight. That said homosexuality is multifaceted. There's a definite cultural push toward normalizing it these days.

Something that I find sad about it all are endocrine disruptors. They're a rather broad and ubiquitous class of chemicals that are in a lot of different things, they've been linked to early puberty in girls, birth defects (DDT is an endocrine disruptor and probably the most well known) and they've also been linked to transgenderism. It's pretty much a hard fact that they can and do affect us on a hormonal level, but it's not taken so seriously on account of presentation. So we have an overabundance of chemicals all over the place that governments are typically only halfheartedly regulating that could very well be altering our normal hormonal balance and development.

[Jayne]

20 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

Does anyone know what it means to be: "transgender"? It happens in 0ne out of 500, and they look like women, but they have a male organ that in some cases can produce a baby. I am pretty sure women do not want transgenders in their dressing room. It is obvious that these people have a real problem in life. I am pretty sure there are no simple answers or simple solutions because it is complicated. They usually do not want to talk about it and see no advantage to talking to people about it. That maybe why we know so little about their condition. 

Of course, one in five hundred with genetic issues is a far cry from the 10% who have no physical issues to deal with. They have some pretty wild confrontations when the police are called in. Shots fired, children alleged to be kidnapped, and so forth. I have some trail cames that have some pretty wild photos of when five or six police cars are called in with lights flashing. 

The miss tres pilipinas on AGT are a good example of transgenders who will surprise you with their deep voice when they sing. But it is common in the Philippines for them to joke about things like this. That is the way their culture is. 

You asked, "Does anyone know what it means to be: "transgender"? It happens in 0ne out of 500, and they look like women, but they have a male organ that in some cases can produce a baby."

Surely you know what transgender means.  Surely you know what the three men in your picture have done to their bodies - by choice.

They have had breast implants, are taking much female hormones to soften the face, decrease muscle mass, and decrease body hair.

They have done this to their bodies by choice.  In Asia, it's know as the she-male.  Entertainment trade, sex trade.  Things we shouldn't even be talking about here at Worthy.

I wish you hadn't posted that picture.

The reason that they "surprise" you with a male voice is that young men who transition after puberty will retain the low voice.  Female hormones won't affect the vocal cords after a young man goes through puberty.

They can use a falsetto voice when wanting to appear totally female.

I'm sorry that some  Asian nations treat this as a joke.

 

Edited November 10, 2022 by Jayne

[DPMartin]

9 hours ago, Not of the World said:

I believe some are "born" gay. Is it possible that such an unnatural desire is, in some cases, a birth defect just like being born with only one arm is a birth defect?  

people suffer traumatic experiences that skew their perception of things like sex, sometimes believing that’s what they are or should do. on top of that man can corrupt pervert anything via the contemplation and or entertaining of anything within his reach.

And man’s imaginations go beyond the natural, no one has to entertain and especially practice anything under the sun. other than eat sleep and stay warm. But as Paul says, “if you burn” then find a mate that suits what God would have for you. People can get there jollies on anything they can imagine to desire. The claim that one is born with, is just to justify public display and acceptance. I mean if you pay a university research enough, they will produce any result of data you want.

[other one]

2 hours ago, Not of the World said:

That might actually be true.  I used to work with very young children and there were some that had great difficulty controlling their behavior. 

my wife was a kindergarten  teacher her whole teaching career.   Her and the other teachers could pick out most of the kids that would end up in prison even in kindergarten.    But a lot of it was home life.   Mom's and/or dads in jail half the time.   more than a few being brought up by thier grandparents, which didn't do such a good job with thier parents.  More than one had a mom that was a real life witch...

I personally think it has more to do with what happens between the age of 2 and 10 than genetics.