What About Those In Non-Christian Lands Who Have Never Heard The Gospel?

[The_Patriot21]

Interesting logic, however I really don't see anywhere in scripture that backs it up.

I do see where scripture says we are all bound for hell without Christ, and where it tells us to go into the world and share His love....but I don't see anywhere that supports this theory.

[NConly]

9 hours ago, JAG** said:

Question: How is God good or just to abandon to Hell those who have never even heard the gospel?

JAG Writes:

Consider the following:

First, we Bible believing Christians start with the true proclamation that
God always does that which is right.

This means that the God who always does what is right, world-wide
and history-wide, is never going to abandon one of His elect to Gehenna,
but will find a way to save them and give them the gift of eternal life as
per John 3:16's "shall not perish but have eternal life."

Second, we Bible believing Christians MUST stay within the confines
of doctrinal orthodoxy and so we hold solid and fast to John 14:6
that correctly teaches: no man can come to the Father except through
believing in the Lord Jesus as his Savior.

Third, none of the above prevents us from considering the following:

Eternal Now. With regard to God's knowledge there is no past. present and future.
God sees everything in the Eternal NOW. God's Omniscience demands this position.
God now knows all that can be known, God does not learn new information and new truths.


So?

So the Eternal NOW knowledge is God's reality. And God's reality IS REALITY.

What YOU (we) can see is very limited and what YOU (we) can see IS NOT REALITY.

God has Middle Knowledge -- what that means is that God sees and knows fully
what every human being would choose to do under all possible sets of different
circumstances.


Let us take for an example a man named Akua Adisa, born in Africa in the year 1600 A.D.

Akua lived and died never knowing a single word of the gospel message.

God's Middle Knowledge knows precisely what Akua Adisa will choose to do in all possible
sets of circumstances --

-- for example if Akua Adisa had been born in, say, South Carolina in the year 1990 A.D.
and had traveled to hear Franklin Graham preach the gospel.

How is this ↓ conclusion NOT compelling?

If the Sovereign God knows that Akua Adisa would have accepted the Lord Jesus as his
Savior if he had been born in the year 1990 A.D. in South Carolina when he heard Franklin
Graham preach the gospel then in God's reality Akua Adisa has accepted the Lord Jesus as
his Savior and has therefore fulfilled the requirements of John 14:6 no man can come to the
Father except through faith in the Lord Jesus.

Are we not compelled to reach this conclusion?

Thoughts?

__________________________

PS
God's Omniscience demands we hold that God has what the philosophers call
Middle Knowledge.


JAG

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Many people or tribes may never have heard the word God but like the Indians before white man came to America they new there was a great Spirit and they knew when they die they go to another place and live. I am thinking that counts for something.

[NConly]

6 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Question is does HE give HIMSELF laws to follow that change that?  After all, He flooded the earth.  And THANK GOD for Moses or else...

I think we don't understand the difference between CAN and WILL, when it comes to GOD and His creation. 

His WILL is that all come to repentance.  BUT we know that isn't going to happen.  



 

 After the flood all 8 souls knew they were saved by God. And I feel sure it was spread by them to their off spring.

[Neighbor]

On 7/8/2023 at 6:47 PM, DeighAnn said:

Made me wonder, is there a place LEFT on earth that hasn't heard the 'good news' yet?

Better yet, is there a place on earth that is a Christian land?

 

[ayin jade]

On 7/8/2023 at 3:47 PM, DeighAnn said:

Made me wonder, is there a place LEFT on earth that hasn't heard the 'good news' yet?

I believe there are. Some tribes in the amazon have been declared off limits to outsiders and have no contact with western civilization. There is also an island in the pacific that has a tribe that despises outsiders and immediately kill anyone who comes on to their island. In the past year or so, someone attempted to be a missionary there, against the laws of the nation governing that island, and was immediately killed by the natives. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontacted_peoples

[Marilyn C]

On 7/9/2023 at 5:14 AM, JAG** said:

Question: How is God good or just to abandon to Hell those who have never even heard the gospel?

 

Answer: God made a way through His Son, Jesus, and BECAUSE of that sacrifice people are saved. They are `saved` according to the revelation that God gives at the time.

Look at Abel, Adam`s son. He didn`t know of Jesus , however he obeyed the revelation that God gave him to make a blood sacrifice.

`By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts...` (Heb. 11: 4)

Also, Enoch, Noah, Abraham etc all became heirs of righteousness which is according to faith. (Heb. 11: 7b)

Then there are people all over the world throughout the centuries who have also never heard of Jesus but just obeyed their God-given conscience to do right. They will be judged on their works, which reveal their motives. (Rev. 20: 12)

Note: They are all saved because of Jesus` sacrifice, even though they did not know of Him or what He would do. As long as they obeyed the revelation that God gave to them. 

 

 

[com7fy8]

On 7/8/2023 at 6:47 PM, DeighAnn said:

Made me wonder, is there a place LEFT on earth that hasn't heard the 'good news' yet?

I would not assume, in any case. I believe there are people who have not heard. They might be where missionaries and media have not reached and ones they know have not passed to them the Gospel after visiting somewhere. And ones could be in a Bible belt area, for all I know. 

But what I consider is what God knows about someone's character.

If a person by character is unforgiving - - this person is anti-Jesus and could have a worse time in Heaven, than in hell . . . because of the person's evil nature.

"For our God is a consuming fire." (Hebrews 12:29)

If you are God's way in character, you don't burn but get better.

"But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived." (2 Timothy 3:13)

[other one]

On 7/8/2023 at 2:14 PM, JAG** said:

If the Sovereign God knows that Akua Adisa would have accepted the Lord Jesus as his
Savior if he had been born in the year 1990 A.D. in South Carolina when he heard Franklin
Graham preach the gospel then in God's reality Akua Adisa has accepted the Lord Jesus as
his Savior and has therefore fulfilled the requirements of John 14:6 no man can come to the
Father except through faith in the Lord Jesus.

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John 14:5-7
 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.
NASB

You have added something to the scripture that isn't there.   Jesus does not mention faith in his statement.   It is not through what we believe that gives us access to the Father, it is a decision made solely by Jesus himself.

It is Jesus who decides what happens to Akua Adisa and I don't think he needs our help to decide.

So I would answer your question in the title of the thread...  Those people are put in the hands of a just and fair loving God to decide what to do with them....      Personally I'd leave it at that, and stay away from philosophers.

 

[Alive]

I suggest a careful reading of Romans and believe everything written there…Paul by the Holy Spirit was very thorough.

[other one]

12 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Better yet, is there a place on earth that is a Christian land?

 

Yes, my house and the half acre of land it sets upon.