Explaining the Clay in the Daniel 2 Statue Prophecy

[Last Daze]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

No sir, Apollyon is a Demon locked up in the pit

Scripture?

[Revelation Man]

39 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Scripture?

Already posted it on here. Follow along. Meanwhile check Rev. 9 which names him Apollyon, king of the pit. Then read Rev. 17 which cites him as an 8TH KING but of the Seven, and it shows the Scarlet Colored Beast as having NO CROWNS on this earth where the 7 Heads and 10 Kings is located. But like I stated, he is called the 8th King that was OF THE SEVEN (On this earth) and he ARISES out of the bottomless pit. 

Then in Rev. 11 we see this Demon/Beast that arises out of the pit kills the coming Two-witnesses. You have to combine all three passages to see it. I don't just guess brother. 

[WilliamL]

On 9/16/2023 at 7:40 PM, Revelation Man said:

Ole Rev Man Ron knows what to look for.

Ole Rev Man projects assumptions into the Word that simply aren't there.

[luigi]

22 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Tons of conjecture.  Isn't Apollyon Satan?

Yes, Apollyon/Abaddon which translates to the destroyer, is Satan.

It is Satan who gives the beast his power, causing the beasts ascension from the sea (Revelation 13:1-2). The sea from which the beast ascends is another description for the bottomless pit from which the beast ascends (Revelation 17:8). The angel of the bottomless pit (Apollyon/Abaddon), who was given the key to open the bottomless pit of power in Revelation 9, is therefore another name for the dragon Satan in Revelation 13.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Ole Rev Man projects assumptions into the Word that simply aren't there.

Its just not your calling, don't envy another's calling sir, nor try to diminish what you can not see, lets not turn this thread about Daniel into a personal project. You never answer the rebut when I prove you in error anyway. Just like the Four Kings being Beasts in vs. 17. 

[Revelation Man]

3 hours ago, luigi said:

Yes, Apollyon/Abaddon which translates to the destroyer, is Satan.

 

No he is not, this is wild we have guys speaking about Prophecy who can't grasp the difference between Satan and a Demon bound in the Bottomless Pit.

So, Satan is bound in the pit.

3 hours ago, luigi said:

It is Satan who gives the beast his power, causing the beasts ascension from the sea (Revelation 13:1-2). The sea from which the beast ascends is another description for the bottomless pit from which the beast ascends (Revelation 17:8). The angel of the bottomless pit (Apollyon/Abaddon), who was given the key to open the bottomless pit of power in Revelation 9, is therefore another name for the dragon Satan in Revelation 13.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Now go read Rev. 12 vs. Rev. 17, one is a Red Dragon vs. a Scarlet Colored Beast and one has NO CROWNS in Rev. 17 while Satan in Rev. 12 has 7 CROWNS.

Rev. 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. (NOTICE............NO CROWNS).

Even the Anti-Christ in Rev. 13 has CROWNS over the 10 (Complete E.U Reunified) horns because he has a kingdom on THIS EARTH as does Satan, but Apollyon's kingdom  is the Bottomless Pit. (He has NO CROWNS on this earth)

Rev. 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

 

Edited September 18, 2023 by Revelation Man

[Last Daze]

18 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Already posted it on here. Follow along. Meanwhile check Rev. 9 which names him Apollyon, king of the pit. Then read Rev. 17 which cites him as an 8TH KING but of the Seven, and it shows the Scarlet Colored Beast as having NO CROWNS on this earth where the 7 Heads and 10 Kings is located. But like I stated, he is called the 8th King that was OF THE SEVEN (On this earth) and he ARISES out of the bottomless pit. 

Then in Rev. 11 we see this Demon/Beast that arises out of the pit kills the coming Two-witnesses. You have to combine all three passages to see it. I don't just guess brother. 

He opened the shaft of the abyss, and smoke ascended out of the shaft like the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened from the smoke of the shaft.  Then out of the smoke came locusts upon the earth, and power was given them, as the scorpions of the earth have power.  Rev 9:2-3

Per scripture, locusts come out of the abyss.

They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek he has the name Apollyon.  Rev 9:11

Apollyon is the angel of the abyss and king over the locusts.  It never says he comes up out of the abyss.  Another faulty assumption leading to a faulty conclusion.  The connection between the beast that comes up out of the abyss per Rev 17:8 and Apollyon does not exist.

We know who the ruler of demons is.

But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”

And we know who the destroyer is.  Satan.

[luigi]

1 minute ago, Revelation Man said:

No he is not, this is wild we have guys speaking about Prophecy who can't grasp the difference between Satan an a Demon bound in the Bottomless Pit.

So, Satan is bound in the pit.

Now go read Rev. 12 vs. Rev. 17, one is a Red Dragon vs. a Scarlet Colored Beast and one has NO CROWNS in Rev. 17 while Satan in Rev. 12 has 7 CROWNS.

Rev. 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. (NOTICE............NO CROWNS).

Even the Anti-Christ in Rev. 13 has CROWNS over the 10 (Complete E.U Reunified) horns because he has a kingdom on THIS EARTH as does Satan, but Apollyon's kingdom  is the Bottomless Pit. (He has NO CROWNS on this earth)

Rev. 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

 

The star who falls to the earth, to whom is given the key to open the bottomless pit (Revelation 9:1-2), is Abaddon/Apollyon, the angel of the bottomless pit (Revelation 9:11), which translates to "the destroyer". 

We have another description to the destroyer in Revelation 12:12 where when Satan is cast to the earth, Woe is pronounced to both inhabiters of the earth and sea.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, Last Daze said:

He opened the shaft of the abyss, and smoke ascended out of the shaft like the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened from the smoke of the shaft.  Then out of the smoke came locusts upon the earth, and power was given them, as the scorpions of the earth have power.  Rev 9:2-3

Per scripture, locusts come out of the abyss.

Sure, its Grasshoppers, are you kidding brother? Why were they called grasshoppers? Because John saw them as a swarm of beings rushing towards earth from the pit. He has never seen Demons per se. But look how he describes them, not as Grasshoppers at all. CONTEXT MATTERS !!

Rev. 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth(A hint: THESE ARE NOT Grasshoppers), neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

{{{ Allow me to give you my calculated guess on this. Satan can't hurt Satan, Jesus told us this, so why is he HURTING those men who do not have the Seal of God? (those who get saved after the Rapture have the seal of God) because they also have not taken the Mark of the Beast. These Demons jobs is to apply great pressure on men to accept the Mark of the Beast, they will do everything in their power to cause one to TAKE this Mark, BUT they are not allowed to kill, it has to be a choice made by each man, this is why it is so important not to teach this erroneous teaching of any Rapture that is not a Pre Trib Rapture. These Demons will take a young mans girlfriend or mother and say take the Mark or we will  beat her senseless etc. etc. A lot of weak people who will not chose Jesus now, thinking they will later, are going to be sadly mistaken. }}}

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion (No Grasshopper), when he striketh a man.

6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it(Its all about CHOOSING a side); and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men(Angels look like men, these are Demons, not horse sized grasshoppers).

8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.(Again, these are Demons NOT Grasshoppers)

9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

If you do not understand these are Demons I can't help you, and you might want to leave the book of Revelation alone, its not for you. I think you know they are Demons, you are too intelligent not to understand this. Grasshoppers in the bottomless pit, really, I have never seen anyone who did not understand these were a Demon Swarm from the pit.

Apollyon is the Scarlet Colored Beast. He comes up from the pit. No use rehashing it again tbh.

Edited September 18, 2023 by Revelation Man

[Revelation Man]

22 minutes ago, luigi said:

The star who falls to the earth, to whom is given the key to open the bottomless pit (Revelation 9:1-2), is Abaddon/Apollyon, the angel of the bottomless pit (Revelation 9:11), which translates to "the destroyer". 

No, its an Angel who comes from Heaven, just like the other Angels who brought the Trumps to pass this one blows and an Angel (Stars in Revelation are Angels) comes down to unlock the bottomless pit. The King Apollyon is living in the pit. Remember, Angel means Messenger, the "Angels" of the 7 Churches are not angels but their Preachers (Messengers of God) so the word used for Angel is not always an Angel as we know it, but a Messenger. Apollyon is the Messenger of the bottomless pit and their king, meaning he lives amongst them. He is not the Angel that has the key, if so he would have left long ago.

31 minutes ago, luigi said:

We have another description to the destroyer in Revelation 12:12 where when Satan is cast to the earth, Woe is pronounced to both inhabiters of the earth and sea.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

This has nothing to do with Apollyon, this is Satan the Red Dragon. Rev. 12's Red Dragon has 7 CROWNS meanwhile Rev. 17's Scarlet Beast has NO CROWNS.