Islamic Ideology: Britain’s Political Elite Are Actively Reshaping The Nation’s Cultural And Moral Landscape

[D. Adrien]

2 hours ago, just_abc said:

The Usa and Europe.. are not Israel and Judah though..

 

They did not have the right to divide the world among themselves.....

 

Christians were/ are called to make disciples etc..  not 'wipe out' local populations in North America and Australia..

Please correct me if I am wrong.... but I don't know of any verse in the Bible that says that born-again Christians are supposed to invade and occupy other nations.. and then often either oppress / discriminate / treat as lesser.. the people of those nations.. (including their fellow Christians)..  

Colonialism was / is usually very very wrong.. and the harmful effects of it can often still be seen /felt even today...

Just my thoughts.

Thank you.

Ps.   My apologies if I spoke too frankly.  But this happens to be an issue I feel rather strongly about..  Thank you..

 

Yes colonized like Babylonia, Assyria, Persia, Greece and Rome. It is the way of mankind with sin nature.

Edit: Also the Ottoman empire. :)

Edited March 24 by D. Adrien

[Ogner]

7 hours ago, just_abc said:

They did not have the right to divide the world among themselves.....

 

A Bit of Theory and History
In Islam, political and religious authority are inseparable, which is why it is of great importance to Muslims who holds power in a country and who governs them.
Islam became a global empire almost from its inception. In the 7th century, when Islam emerged, the Mediterranean world, aside from Jewish minorities, was entirely Christian. After a series of lightning-fast and crushing victories by Islamic forces, the eastern and southern coasts of the Mediterranean were permanently torn away from the Christian world, and even significant parts of the European continent fell under Muslim rule for many centuries.
635 — Byzantine Damascus
637 — Byzantine Jerusalem
642 — The beginning of the Islamization of Egypt
647 — The beginning of the Islamization of Libya
In the early centuries of Islam’s existence, Muslims managed to conduct military campaigns and spread their religion to new lands. In the process of this expansion, a question arose: what to do with non-Muslims who permanently lived in Dar al-Islam (the House of Islam) and those who came temporarily?
Non-Muslims who were allowed to live permanently under Muslim rule were called dhimmis, meaning members of a community granted a contract (in Arabic, dhimma) by Muslim authorities. Under the terms of this dhimma, non-Muslim subjects were required to acknowledge the supremacy of Islam and the authority of Muslims, paying a per capita tax (jizya) as a sign of submission, while their rights were also restricted.
A foreign visitor or temporary resident was called a musta’min, a holder of an aman, or safe-conduct pass. A musta’min was exempt from the jizya tax and many of the restrictions imposed on dhimmis. The aman was typically issued for a limited period and could be renewed. A musta’min who overstayed their aman became a dhimmi.  

In the 10th century, Christians recovered and launched a counteroffensive, which eventually forced Muslims—sometimes temporarily, sometimes permanently—to retreat from many of the Christian lands they had previously conquered and governed. In the 11th century, the Norman conquest returned Sicily to the Christian world, and shortly thereafter, the Crusaders established four Christian kingdoms in the Levant, between the Taurus Mountains and Sinai, on lands that had been dominated by Islam since the 7th century. Finally, and most significantly, starting in the 11th century, a turning point came in the long struggle to reclaim the Iberian Peninsula. After centuries of victories, the Reconquista culminated in 1492 with the fall of Granada—the last Muslim state in Western Europe.
In modern times, with the decline of Muslim power and the rise of Europe, province by province and country by country were conquered and annexed by empires—first England and Russia, then the Western European maritime powers.  

Now a question: Did Muslims have the right to carry out treacherous military invasions of Christian lands and annex them? If you believe that Christians had no right to divide the world among themselves, then Muslims had no right to launch treacherous invasions into Christian lands, expel Christians from their territories, force them to pay jizya, or assimilate them under threat of death. In that case, Muslims have no right to Jerusalem, no right to Egypt, no right to North Africa, and they should return Constantinople (Istanbul) to the Orthodox Christians. Muslims, then, have no claim to traditionally Christian lands—let them return to their desert on the Arabian Peninsula.  

So, who does have the right to divide the world? Muslims? Atheists? Buddhists? God has the right to divide the world. And God Himself divided the world among Christians. What fell to the Muslims came as a consequence of our sins, so that we Christians would not grow too proud. But what is happening now—the retreat from God and the decline of the entire Christian world—is the result of apostasy. We should feel remorse not for the fact that God once divided the world among Christians, not for the divine gift and blessing of the colonial past of the "West," but for the fact that the "West" has turned away from Jesus Christ.
 

[Ogner]

7 hours ago, just_abc said:

Christians were/ are called to make disciples etc..  not 'wipe out' local populations in North America and Australia..

Please correct me if I am wrong.... but I don't know of any verse in the Bible that says that born-again Christians are supposed to invade and occupy other nations.. and then often either oppress / discriminate / treat as lesser.. the people of those nations.. (including their fellow Christians)..  

Colonialism was / is usually very very wrong.. and the harmful effects of it can often still be seen /felt even today...

Just my thoughts.

Thank you.

Ps.   My apologies if I spoke too frankly.  But this happens to be an issue I feel rather strongly about..  Thank you..

 

Here’s my response to your comment, addressing your points with facts and Scripture. You said Christians are called to "make disciples" and not to "wipe out" local populations in North America and Australia. Let’s break it down.
First, there is a verse in the Bible where it says Christians will rule with an "iron rod." It’s Revelation 2:26–27:
"To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my Father."
This is echoed in Revelation 12:5:
"She gave birth to a son, a male child, who ‘will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.’"
This speaks of authority given by God to His faithful to govern nations—not necessarily oppression, but establishing divine order.

Second, no one deliberately wiped out the native populations of North America and Australia. Most indigenous people died not from genocide but from diseases brought by Europeans, like smallpox, to which they had no immunity. It’s a tragedy, not intentional extermination. Compare this to India, a British colony: no one died out there. On the contrary, everything good in India—roads, railways, education, medicine—came from the British, Portuguese, and Europeans overall. Look at Goa, a former Portuguese colony: it’s like a different world compared to regions with less colonial influence. Where Europeans had little impact, it’s still the Stone Age—diseases like leprosy, known in the West mostly from the Bible (e.g., Leviticus 13), persist in India. In the West, such diseases are long gone thanks to progress.

Take another example: Somalia. Look up photos of Somalia during its colonial protectorate (under Italy or Britain) and compare them to today. The difference is striking—back then, there were roads, schools, order; now, it’s chaos and ruin. There are countless examples like this worldwide. The natives who wanted to develop survived and adopted the best from Europeans—technology, medicine, culture. Those who didn’t, died out. But that’s not the fault of Europeans; it’s a natural process.
 

[angels4u]

. (Revelation 2:26-28) The promise of a reward.

And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—

‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—

as I also have received from My Father; and I will give him the morning star.

a. He who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end: Even when there is the immoral and idolatrous influence of a Jezebel, Christians can overcome and keep Jesus’ works until the end. We must not become overly discouraged at immorality and idolatry around us, even among Christians. God’s work will still go on through His overcomers.

b. To him I will give power over the nations: Jesus promised that His people will reign with Him. Here, there is a special promise to those who overcome the threat of immorality and idolatry. To them, Jesus offered a share in His own kingdom.

i. He shall rule them with a rod of iron: This quotation from Psalm 2 speaks of the authority of the Messiah when He rules over the earth. In that day, righteousness will be enforced, and those who rebel against Jesus will be dashed to pieces like a clay pot hit with an iron bar. Jesus includes this here to give hope to the faithful Christians of Thyatira, who felt overwhelmed by the immorality and idolatry all around them. Jesus reminds them, “You’re on My winning team.”

ii. “The word for ‘rule’ (Gr. poimanei) means literally ‘to shepherd.’ Their rule will not be simply that of executing judgment, but also that of administering mercy and direction.” (Walvoord)

c. I will give him the morning star: Jesus offered them a reward greater than the kingdom. He offered them the reward of Himself, because He is the Morning Star (Revelation 22:16).

7. (Revelation 2:29) A general exhortation to all who will hear.

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’https://www.blueletterbible.org/comm/guzik_david/study-guide/revelation/revelation-2.cfm

[just_abc]

 

On 3/24/2025 at 10:26 PM, Ogner said:

Second, no one deliberately wiped out the native populations of North America and Australia. Most indigenous people died not from genocide but from diseases brought by Europeans, like smallpox, to which they had no immunity. It’s a tragedy, not intentional extermination. Compare this to India, a British colony: no one died out there. On the contrary, everything good in India—roads, railways, education, medicine—came from the British, Portuguese, and Europeans overall.

 

People were killed in India..

For example : the massacre at Amritsar....

https://news.sky.com/story/what-was-the-amritsar-massacre-the-event-that-led-a-man-to-try-to-kill-the-queen-12960593

 

People were also killed elsewhere.

For example :

Kenya :

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67273676

 

Indonesia etc.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/netherlands-pay-reparations-indonesia-colonial-violence-1940s/12114892

 

Tanzania

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-67285182

 

Congo / Belgium (note : possibly a bit graphic description)

https://news.sky.com/story/belgiums-brutal-colonialism-riches-that-came-from-congolese-blood-12017761

 

The list above are just some examples....

 

And then there were also other things such as slavery etc....

:(

 

Edited March 29 by just_abc

[just_abc]

On 3/24/2025 at 10:04 PM, Ogner said:

But what is happening now—the retreat from God and the decline of the entire Christian world—is the result of apostasy. 

 

If I am not mistaken.. Christianity is growing in many parts of the world..

https://www.persecution.org/2024/02/07/global-report-shows-415-million-christians-in-asia/

 

I am thinking currently there might possibly be more Christians in the East.. than in the West?

Just a thought.

Thanks.

 

Edited March 25 by just_abc

[Debp]

2 hours ago, just_abc said:

And then there were also other things such as slavery etc....

:(

Do you know that Arab Muslims were slave owners?   I saw a documentary about it.   They owned more slaves than the USA ever did.

Also, the documentary said the Arab Muslims would kill any babies born between them and a female slave to prevent a mixed birth.

[Ogner]

20 hours ago, just_abc said:

 

 

People were killed in India..

For example : the massacre at Amritsar....

https://news.sky.com/story/what-was-the-amritsar-massacre-the-event-that-led-a-man-to-try-to-kill-the-queen-12960593

 

People were also killed elsewhere.

For example :

Kenya :

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67273676

 

Indonesia etc.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-26/netherlands-pay-reparations-indonesia-colonial-violence-1940s/12114892

 

Tanzania

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-67285182

 

Belgium (note : possibly a bit graphic description)

https://news.sky.com/story/belgiums-brutal-colonialism-riches-that-came-from-congolese-blood-12017761

 

The list above are just some examples....

 

And then there were also other things such as slavery etc....

:(

 

You caught me on my words. I admit it. I shouldn’t have written "no one died out there." It was a mistake, and I can explain why I wrote it. Sometimes my fingers can’t keep up with my thoughts. I was rushing while typing a lengthy text. What I meant to say was that the Indian people didn’t die out during British rule like the Native Americans did in North America. Thank you for pointing it out—I’m grateful and apologize if I misled anyone.
But your reaction makes me think it was justified. You listed cases of people killing others and framed it as a reproach to the "West" for colonialism. Yet in India, people killed each other without the "West," including with Muslim involvement:  
Wars of Hindu kingdoms (pre-BC to early Middle Ages): Maurya, Gupta, and Chola waged wars with massacres.  

Muslim conquests (11th–16th centuries): Ghaznavids and the Delhi Sultanate destroyed cities and temples.  

Religious conflicts: Before colonization, Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, and later Muslims killed each other.  

Partition of India and Pakistan (1947): 200,000–2,000,000 dead.  

Pogroms in East Pakistan (1964): Hundreds killed.  

Gujarat massacre (2002): About 1,000 Muslims dead.
Native Indians killed each other before Europeans arrived, then Muslims killed them, and in modern history, pogroms between Muslims and Hindus persist.

About Africa: Africans vs. Africans  
Rwanda Genocide (1994): 500,000–1,000,000.  

Second Sudan Civil War (1983–2005): About 1,900,000.  

First Congo War (1996–1997): 200,000–250,000.  

Anyanya Genocide in Uganda (1972–1979): 100,000–500,000.  

Burundi Massacre (1972): 150,000–300,000.

Muslims vs. Africans:  
Fulani Jihad (1804–1830s): Tens of thousands.  

East African slave trade (17th–19th centuries): Hundreds of thousands.  

Darfur Massacre (2003–present): 200,000–400,000.  

Bornu Expansion (16th–18th centuries): Tens of thousands.

In Europe, Ottoman Turks:  
Constantinople Massacre (1453): Up to 40,000, pregnant women’s bellies slashed open.  

Batak Massacre (1876): 5,000, women and children slaughtered.  

Sack of Belgrade (1521): 10,000.  

Kosovo Field (1389): Thousands executed.  

Siege of Vienna outskirts (1683): 30,000, burned alive.

Slave trade:  
Arab (7th–20th centuries): 10–18 million from Africa and Europe, men castrated, women sold to harems.  

Ottoman (14th–19th centuries): Captured slaves from the Balkans, Hungary, and Rus, markets thrived in Istanbul and Cairo.

Pause the grim tallies. Touch the art. 

 "The Kidnapping" The painting portrays a dramatic moment of abduction: a warrior on horseback a Ottoman soldier captures a victim.
Author: Henri Félix Emmanuel Philippoteaux (1815–1884), a French battle painter known for his historical and military scenes. 

Now about Ukraine, where I’m from:  
Tatar raids (16th–17th centuries): Crimean Tatars, vassals of the Turks, burned villages in Podolia, Volhynia, and Galicia, killed residents, and enslaved tens of thousands yearly. Over two centuries, up to 2 million were taken.  

Slave trade: Ukrainians were sold in Ottoman markets (Istanbul, Cairo) as slaves, concubines, or janissaries.  

City destruction: Kyiv, Chernihiv razed, e.g., in 1482 and 1577.  

Boys and janissaries: Young Ukrainian boys (10–15) were taken, converted to Islam, trained in Ottoman schools as janissaries. They returned with Turks, brutally killing their own—burning villages, executing resistors.  

Girls and harems: Girls (12–16) were sold to harems of sultans and the wealthy. They were raped, forced to convert, and resistors were killed.  

Losses: Wars with Tatars and Turks weakened Ukraine, stunting its growth. Suffering ended only after Crimea joined Russia in 1783.
In conclusion: murder, cruelty, and slavery aren’t just the "West." Muslims, Africans, and Indians were far from saints, despite how some portray them today. The "West" also brought order and progress, while others often brought only brutality.

Throughout most of their shared history, relations between Muslims and Christians were defined by offense and counteroffense, jihad and crusades, conquest and reconquest. The loss of Lebanon and North Africa proved irreversible for the Christian world, and the Crusaders’ attempt to reclaim the Holy Land ultimately failed. The Reconquista—the reclamation of the Iberian Peninsula from the Moors and of Rus from the Tatars—turned into a new large-scale Christian offensive in Africa and Asia, as the Spanish and Portuguese on one end of Europe, and the Russians on the other, surged into the native lands of their former overlords on the heels of their victories.
The last great Muslim invasion of Europe, undertaken by the Ottoman Turks, faltered after the second unsuccessful siege of Vienna in 1683. The defeat and subsequent retreat of the Turks marked the end of a thousand-year Muslim threat.

[Debp]

3 hours ago, Ogner said:

Yet in India, people killed each other without the "West," including with Muslim involvement:  

Also, there was the death cult operating in India possibly from the 1300s.   I watched a movie based on true events about them.   They murdered many, many people all over India in order to rob them.   The British tried to subdue and convict them. @just_abc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee

[chirpy]

Article    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/405946

summary:

England could become an Islam State with nuclear weapons.

Article gives current Islam % and projections in years to come.

The English government has just appointed the new head of Ofsted, the body that inspects public schools. His name is Hamid Patel and he is a mufti.