The sons of God?

[Hall7]

The premise that all three persons of the Godhead created heaven and earth is false. And it throws a monkey wrench into the logic sons of God versus the one and only Son of God.

 

Only God the Son (preincarnate) is the Creator. God the Father is the creator of the body of God the Son.

 

Humanity is the children of God the Son... Only Christ is the Son of God the Father. And we are children of God the Father who believe in Jesus through adoption.

Yes we all are children of God so doesn't that make us His metaphorical son or daughter? Although of course yes there Is only one begotten Son, Jesus...

[FreeinChrist]

In John 1:1-4; 14 we see a picture of Jesus before He came in His earthly Tabernacle/Body before this He was known as the Word.   And as Other One state earlier, Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God that is when He became Human the Father created His Body and the Word became Flesh who was God, so that when He was Born in the Flesh John writes:

14)  And the Word was made Flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the Only Begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

18)  No man hath seen God at any time, the Only Begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father , He hath declared Him.

John 1:14, 18 

 

Angels are consider to be God's Sons also, as they have been created by Him.  But none of them have been in existence as the Word, was from everlasting.  Each and every Angel was created and had a beginning.   Whereas Jesus, as a Human Being, had a beginning, but as the Word who is God, He is from everlasting that is He has always been eternally.

 

We who believe in Christ Jesus, are spoken of as being Born Again (John 3:3-7) for we have receive Him, John 1:12.   But another way we could put it is we have been adopted into the Family of God, Romans 8:14-17; Galatians 4:4-7.  It is not that we or the Angels are directly related to God, but that God is so full of love in it truest sense that He desire a personal relationship with His creation and what better way to be in a relationship than to be part of the Family of God so that we can be His heirs. Paul even tells us that we are His offspring see Acts 17:28-29.

 

Zion when you where born, more than likely, you had parents who loved you greatly. but we have a great God, who love us so much more: But the very hairs of your heads are numbered.  Matthew 10:30,  He has numbered the hair on our heads, (now me as a guy slowly going bald it is a little less exciting) but still God cares enough that He has all aspect of my live down to the littlest detail.  Because he longs to call us His children, he also is not ashamed of us, as many times as I have fail my God He says this about me, But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He hath prepared for them a city.  Hebrews 11:16 

 

God just so long for a relationship that when we accept His Son Jesus Christ we are Adopted or even Born Again into His Family  .  And those Angels who remained obedient to their Creator, are in a relationship with God.  No we and the Angels are not direct descendants of God, but we humans have been adopted, because the Only Begotten Son of God, care enough to lay down His life for us, and rose from the dead three days later.

 

IMO Christianity is not a religion, but rather God desiring to have a Relationship with those who believe in His Only Begotten Son.

[coheir]

Allow me to simplfy this. In genesis 6:1-2 says when MEN began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them (comma verse 2) that THE SONS OF GOD saw the DAUGHTERS OF MEN that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

man was already multiplying means taking wives and reproducing. Furthermore its easy to see there is a difference between men/daughters of men, and sons of God. Its context. If the statement was saying men took the daughters of men, seeing how it already called them "men" it would continue calling them "men" but it dont. It says "sons of God." Its different. Its fallen angels. Check out verse 4 also where it says giants in the land ( show me where in genesis it says God created giants). In verse 4 it continues on to say when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men(distinct difference between men and sons of God) and bare childrwn unto them, and the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

What people say, its unclear whats being said here, I find it very straight foward.

I agree Cetus;

Anyone who has not accepted the Son of God as their Savior has no inheritance.

Once you accept Jesus as Savior you become a Saint ( earthly follower of Christ ) with the power to become

(when you put on the immortal )  a coheir with Christ the son of God

still on earth we have not fully recieved the inheritance as yet, we are saints now.

Eph1:18

The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

John 1:12

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

[Sevenseas]

Allow me to simplfy this. In genesis 6:1-2 says when MEN began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them (comma verse 2) that THE SONS OF GOD saw the DAUGHTERS OF MEN that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

man was already multiplying means taking wives and reproducing. Furthermore its easy to see there is a difference between men/daughters of men, and sons of God. Its context. If the statement was saying men took the daughters of men, seeing how it already called them "men" it would continue calling them "men" but it dont. It says "sons of God." Its different. Its fallen angels. Check out verse 4 also where it says giants in the land ( show me where in genesis it says God created giants). In verse 4 it continues on to say when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men(distinct difference between men and sons of God) and bare childrwn unto them, and the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

What people say, its unclear whats being said here, I find it very straight foward.

 

 

I agree.  I see/read/understand it the same way.

[Marilyn C]

Let me ask those who believe that those `sons of God,` were angels - Why do we not see those angels still procreating?

[Marilyn C]

Hi Cletus,

 

If fallen angels procreated before then obviously they still could after the flood & right up till now. No, that is not logical.

 

My belief is that the word `son,` refers to close relationship with God. This means angels, & man. However it does not mean fallen angels. That is why we read -

 

`...there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, & Satan also came among them...` (Job 2: 1)

 

Satan is among them but not of their close relationship with God, `son,` but he still has to be accountable to God.

 

 

As regards the unusual skulls etc I refer to the Holy Spirit`s word through the Apostle Paul -

 

`So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul," The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.`   (1 Cor. 15: 45)

 

There is no other `race,` of people, hybrids or whatever, just Adam`s race & those from Christ.

[gdemoss]

Yes there are created sons of God as well as the begotton son of God.

[other one]

Let me ask those who believe that those `sons of God,` were angels - Why do we not see those angels still procreating?

Because you are not looking in the right places......   they are not so open about it since the flood.

[Marilyn C]

Hi other one,

 

I believe Jesus answered it all for us -

 

`Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me; for I proceeded forth & have come from God,.......You are of your father the devil, & you do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, & does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature; for he is a liar, & the father of lies.".......he who is of God hears the words of God;....`  (John 8: 42 - 47) 

 

Thus we see that the devil is the `father ` of them with his nature & God is the Father of those who hear & obey Him. So the `sons of God,` in Genesis could NOT be fallen angels of their father the devil. And they could NOT be angels of God as God would not tell them to procreate with His creation. The only `sons of God,` then are those who `hears the words of God,` as Jesus told us, & they were at that time `men who began to call on the name of the Lord.` (Gen. 4: 26)

 

Quite clear & straightforward - God`s nature + sons like Him, or the devil`s nature + sons like him.

[other one]

let's just say I disagree