Revelation 10 - the Q'uran?

[other one]

I really don't think we are supposed to know what the thunders are....    but I do not think they will have any effect on us.....   and that in my first thoughts is why we are not told......                 Not our circus, not our monkeys...

[Betadynamique]

 

I like the story of Jonah, it exemplifies repentance. It is in the Bible, a little book of a minor prophet, but a greatness of wisdom. In the first chapter, verses 8 and 9, that expresses a kind of seal, even to suggest there is an angel standing on the sea and the land. There's a certain literal meaning, that is the experience of the prophet, and how that relates to the experiences of people, and from that are more figurative, abstract interpretations according to how anyone can identify with the story. Suppose the seven thunders are confessions, and are meant to be forgot, or that because the book of the Revelation is written down after John experienced the vision, the meanings of the seven thunders are suggested in the first chapters. To say it's sweet as honey in the mouth but it's bitter in the stomach, that could be going to a hypothetical interpretation of a candy-like, cartoonish image to a more hard-core personal realization of the same text. Proverbs is also a book of wisdom, such as verse 2 of chapter 25, that the ending of Revelation 10 could be hinting something about that, especially how it leads into Revelation 11 where the seventh angel sounded and the kingdoms of the world become the kingdoms of Christ. We can know the signs but we can't know the exact time of the return of Christ, it's almost as though if anyone tries to set the date, in the setting of it then God changes it, at which point they're stuck like Jonah on the outskirts almost disgruntled that Nineveh wasn't destroyed.

 

This doesn't address the O.P. 

 

 

Yes it does.

[Marilyn C]

Hi MorningGlory & Shilh357,

 

Have you read Malachi 3 & realised who is being spoken about there?

 

`And the Lord, whom you seek will suddenly come to His temple, even the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight. Behold, He is coming,` says the Lord of hosts. But who can endure the day of His coming....` (Mal. 3: 1 & 2)

 

Messenger - Heb. `malak` meaning to despatch, a messenger spec. of God, ie. an angel (also a prophet, priest, teacher).... 

 

Marilyn.

[other one]

I like the story of Jonah, it exemplifies repentance. It is in the Bible, a little book of a minor prophet, but a greatness of wisdom. In the first chapter, verses 8 and 9, that expresses a kind of seal, even to suggest there is an angel standing on the sea and the land. There's a certain literal meaning, that is the experience of the prophet, and how that relates to the experiences of people, and from that are more figurative, abstract interpretations according to how anyone can identify with the story. Suppose the seven thunders are confessions, and are meant to be forgot, or that because the book of the Revelation is written down after John experienced the vision, the meanings of the seven thunders are suggested in the first chapters. To say it's sweet as honey in the mouth but it's bitter in the stomach, that could be going to a hypothetical interpretation of a candy-like, cartoonish image to a more hard-core personal realization of the same text. Proverbs is also a book of wisdom, such as verse 2 of chapter 25, that the ending of Revelation 10 could be hinting something about that, especially how it leads into Revelation 11 where the seventh angel sounded and the kingdoms of the world become the kingdoms of Christ. We can know the signs but we can't know the exact time of the return of Christ, it's almost as though if anyone tries to set the date, in the setting of it then God changes it, at which point they're stuck like Jonah on the outskirts almost disgruntled that Nineveh wasn't destroyed.

 

a little too far out for me....   combining things that don't seem to fit in my view....

[MorningGlory]

 

 

I like the story of Jonah, it exemplifies repentance. It is in the Bible, a little book of a minor prophet, but a greatness of wisdom. In the first chapter, verses 8 and 9, that expresses a kind of seal, even to suggest there is an angel standing on the sea and the land. There's a certain literal meaning, that is the experience of the prophet, and how that relates to the experiences of people, and from that are more figurative, abstract interpretations according to how anyone can identify with the story. Suppose the seven thunders are confessions, and are meant to be forgot, or that because the book of the Revelation is written down after John experienced the vision, the meanings of the seven thunders are suggested in the first chapters. To say it's sweet as honey in the mouth but it's bitter in the stomach, that could be going to a hypothetical interpretation of a candy-like, cartoonish image to a more hard-core personal realization of the same text. Proverbs is also a book of wisdom, such as verse 2 of chapter 25, that the ending of Revelation 10 could be hinting something about that, especially how it leads into Revelation 11 where the seventh angel sounded and the kingdoms of the world become the kingdoms of Christ. We can know the signs but we can't know the exact time of the return of Christ, it's almost as though if anyone tries to set the date, in the setting of it then God changes it, at which point they're stuck like Jonah on the outskirts almost disgruntled that Nineveh wasn't destroyed.

 

This doesn't address the O.P. 

 

 

Yes it does.

 

 

I think the O.P. is talking about whether the angel is Jesus and if the 'little book' is the Qu'ran  Your post just doesn't really address these things. 

[MorningGlory]

Hi MorningGlory & Shilh357,

 

Have you read Malachi 3 & realised who is being spoken about there?

 

`And the Lord, whom you seek will suddenly come to His temple, even the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight. Behold, He is coming,` says the Lord of hosts. But who can endure the day of His coming....` (Mal. 3: 1 & 2)

 

Messenger - Heb. `malak` meaning to despatch, a messenger spec. of God, ie. an angel (also a prophet, priest, teacher).... 

 

Marilyn.

 

I still see no way for the angel to be Jesus.  Nor is He dispatched as a messenger.  He will only be coming back twice; neither time will be as a messenger, rabbi or priest.  He will return as the King.

[Guest shiloh357]

Marilyn

 

I am sorry but the Bible NEVER represents Jesus as angel and the Greek word allos means that the angel was of the same kind as the previous angels in Revelation 9, which were blowing trumpets.   None of those angels were Jesus and this angel in Rev. 10 is of the same kind according to Paul and thus he is not Jesus. 

 

The word Malakh in Mal. 3:1 is not an angel and there is no reason you should be translating it that way.

[Marilyn C]

Marilyn

 

I am sorry but the Bible NEVER represents Jesus as angel and the Greek word allos means that the angel was of the same kind as the previous angels in Revelation 9, which were blowing trumpets.   None of those angels were Jesus and this angel in Rev. 10 is of the same kind according to Paul and thus he is not Jesus. 

 

The word Malakh in Mal. 3:1 is not an angel and there is no reason you should be translating it that way.

Hi Shiloh (& Morning Glory),

 

If you continue to read about that `different` (another) angel, you will see that by the description & context & what He is saying that it is a pictorial representation of Jesus.

 

`And the angel stood, saying............And I will give power to My two witnesses,.......` (Rev. 11: 1 & 3)

 

God the Father uses many things to represent some aspect of Jesus so we can understand more of His work - sun, star, rocks, flowers, animals, utensils of the tabernacle, gem stones, etc etc & He also uses an angel form to represent some work of the Lord - mediator, judge, messenger etc.

 

Marilyn.

[Guest shiloh357]

Marilyn,

 

You are ignoring the Greek word allos which means "of the same kind."    The angel  is of the same kind as the previous angels blowing the trumpets in chapter 9.   That means that this angel in chapter 10 is not Jesus and you are mishandling the text of Scripture.   Jesus is NEVER represented as an angel in the Bible and if you say otherwise, you are 100% wrong, period.

 

Just as God spoke through prophets, God also speaks through angels who are his messengers.   That is what is happening.   The angel is introduced as being of the same kind as the angels blowing the trumpets and that fact on its own precludes this angel from being anything other than an angel.  That is the correct teaching. 

[Littlelambseativy]

The number seven always refers to God. In psalms are we not reminded of what His voice does and sounds like? God's voice thunders, it breaks the cedars of Lebanon etc. I believe the 7 thunders are God speaking.

The little book as Kan said is the prophecy...John anxious to know the future was excited..sweet but when he knew what the future would hold it became bitter. To know what our personal future here on earth holds ...is not something we really want to know ...is it? John saw the future of man and Israel and tho' anxious with anticipation sweet, when he knew it...it was bitter.