The Last Trumpet

[Montana Marv]

To All

Daniel 12: 12, 23 - Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.  As for you (Daniel), go your way till the end.  You will rest, and then at the end of days (the end of the 1,335th day after the A/D), you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.  Here we see that the righteous of Israel will rise to receive their inheritance. (a Resurrection for those of Israel).  Their inheritance is the Land which was promised to them as a nation.  So Prophetically; the only Resurrection at the end is for Israel, and that is to receive their inheritance.  Then there are those written in the book who are protected by Michael.  These come out alive to receive their allotted inheritance.  These are the 1/3rd of Zech 13: 8,9.  Now we have flesh and blood Israel plus Resurrected Israel who will dwell in their land.

No mention of any other OT Saints or NT Saints being Resurrected.  It is all about Israel after the 1,335th day.  Then there is the case of when do the OT Saints (non righteous Israel) receive the new bodies.

Now there is a Resurrection of those who did not receive the mark of the beast or worship him and were killed. Rev 20 - And I saw Satan being bound and sealed for 1,000 years).  And I saw thrones on which were given authority to judge.  And I saw those who had been beheaded... they came to life and reigned with Christ for 1,000 years,  The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended. This is the 1st Resurrection.

Now where does one want to put The Rapture of the Bride is all of this???  A specific mention (Resurrections) for Israel, for those who did not worship the beast and then for everyone else.  All known time of events.  It is listed.

Now one must consider when the first call (Trump) of God was, and when His last call (Trump) will be.  Like the song; "When the Roll is Called up yonder, I'll be there"  This is for the Church/Bride.  Eph 4: 4 - There is one body and one Spirit - just as you were called to one hope when you were called.....  Who is doing the calling here???  Each believer is Called.  There was the first believer to be called and then there will be the last believer to be called (all by God).  This is not tied to any of the 7 Trumpets, which follow the 7 Seals, of Rev at all.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Ezra]

 

And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.  Matthew 24:31 /quote]

When this verse is carefully compared with 1 Cor 15 and 1 Thess 4, it will become evident that "the elect" spoken of in this verse are NOT the Church (and this is not about the Rapture), but the redeemed believing remnant of Israel summoned AFTER the Second Coming of Christ. For the Rapture, Christ descends personally for His saints.  For the elect, He sends forth His angels.  Big difference.  The trumpet call (as mentioned already) will also be used to gather Israel.

 

[Omegaman 3.0]

[Last Daze]

 

Now one must consider when the first call (Trump) of God was, and when His last call (Trump) will be.  Like the song; "When the Roll is Called up yonder, I'll be there"  This is for the Church/Bride.  Eph 4: 4 - There is one body and one Spirit - just as you were called to one hope when you were called.....  Who is doing the calling here???  Each believer is Called.  There was the first believer to be called and then there will be the last believer to be called (all by God).  This is not tied to any of the 7 Trumpets, which follow the 7 Seals, of Rev at all.

 

 

When this verse is carefully compared with 1 Cor 15 and 1 Thess 4, it will become evident that "the elect" spoken of in this verse are NOT the Church (and this is not about the Rapture), but the redeemed believing remnant of Israel summoned AFTER the Second Coming of Christ. For the Rapture, Christ descends personally for His saints.  For the elect, He sends forth His angels.  Big difference.  The trumpet call (as mentioned already) will also be used to gather Israel.

Thanks for the view points.  I may not necessarily agree with them but in the final analysis, that's neither here nor there.  Concerning eschatology, feel free to believe whatever you want for whatever reasons seem good to you.  It is our faith that will be tested.  I'd like to leave you with this thought:

If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God is testing you to find out if you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall follow the Lord your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him.  Deuteronomy 13:1-4

 

[Daniel 11:36]

Response to the OP

The last trumpet for the Lord's church will sound just before He brings His time of trial and judgment upon the whole world [1 Thessalonians 4:13-18]

The first trumpet for His church is given here [Revelation 1:10] as He gives His first formal communication to the assembled churches of Asia minor .... the same for us today

Then there are the 7 judgment trumpets related to His judgments of the tribulation period

Then there will be another trumpet sounding just after the tribulation period .... this will be a gathering trumpet for the mortal survivors of Israel [Isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Matthew 24:29-31]

 

 

Edited October 30, 2015 by Daniel 11:36

[Last Daze]

Response to the OP

The last trumpet for the Lord's church will sound just before He brings His time of trial and judgment upon the whole world [1 Thessalonians 4:13-18]

The first trumpet for His church is given here [Revelation 1:10] as He gives His first formal communication to the assembled churches of Asia minor .... the same for us today

Then there are the 7 judgment trumpets related to His judgments of the tribulation period

Then there will be another trumpet sounding just after the tribulation period .... this will be a gathering trumpet for the mortal survivors of Israel [Isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Matthew 24:29-31]

So, there's a last trumpet of God for the church and a last trumpet of God for Israel?  I didn't see that distinction.

• in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.  1 Corinthians 15:52
• For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.  1 Thessalonians 4:16

[Paul River]

There are three trumpet blasts through the Leviticus 23 Feasts: The First Trump at Shavuot (Pentecost), The Last Trump at The Feast of Trumpets, and the Great Trump at The Day of Atonement. Since the Leviticus 23 feasts are a blueprint of God's redemptive plan, the Last Trump would fall on The Feast of Trumpets, where as on the Great Trump during Yom Kipper (Day of Atonement) we see Messiah prophecy, " And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET  and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds (Mat 24:31)

[Uriah]

Just wanted to add this:

Many say the trumpet in Rev. 11 (7th trumpet) is not the one Paul spoke of regarding the rapture. Are you sure?

V. 18 also describes what takes place when the 7th trumpet is sounded: And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great

So this demands us to acknowledge it is the "time of the dead" at the 7th trumpet. The time they are judged and rewards given to His own. Does anyone think there is NO needed resurrection for these things to happen?

Now let's look at what else pertains to "a trumpet":

Isaiah 27:13- And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown,....

This is a passage that had just finished telling us that "dead men shall live..." and----

Isaiah 27:1- In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

So now we have a Day when a trumpet sounds, dead people are resurrected, and when is it? When the serpent is punished! Sounds like a time marker that squarely puts the perspective in the post trib column and shows the error of the pre/mid/pre wrath etc. They all fail. The latter two simply push the dilemma along the time line a bit further.

[Daniel 11:36]

So, there's a last trumpet of God for the church and a last trumpet of God for Israel?  I didn't see that distinction.

• in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.  1 Corinthians 15:52
• For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.  1 Thessalonians 4:16

 

This one is for the Lord's own just before the tribulation period comes

The last trumpet for Israel will come just after the tribulation period [Matthew 24:29-31]

[Uriah]

14 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

So, there's a last trumpet of God for the church and a last trumpet of God for Israel?  I didn't see that distinction.

• in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.  1 Corinthians 15:52
• For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.  1 Thessalonians 4:16

 

This one is for the Lord's own just before the tribulation period comes

The last trumpet for Israel will come just after the tribulation period [Matthew 24:29-31]

I didn't see that distinction either, because I never made it. Why would you do that? I think it is plain to see what I mean. It is my belief that Paul spoke of the LAST trumpet with the passage in Isaiah in mind. He even ties it to Hosea's quote to teach that the resurrection IS taught in the O.T.

Pre trib is impossible, simply count the number of resurrections it requires.