When is Satan/Dragon/Devil thrown out of Heaven

[Reinitin]

2 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

No, this happened before Calvin and his friends were born.

Chapters are seen as early as the 9th century.

Archbishop Stephen Langton and Cardinal Hugo de Sancto Caro developed different schemas for systematic division of the Bible in the early 13th century. It is the system of Archbishop Langton on which the modern chapter divisions are based.

 Robert Estienne created an alternate numbering in his 1551 edition of the Greek New Testament [14] which was also used in his 1553 publication of the Bible in French. Estienne's system of division was widely adopted, and it is this system which is found in almost all modern Bibles. Estienne produced a 1555 Vulgate that is the first Bible to include the verse numbers integrated into the text. Before this work, they were printed in the margins.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapters_and_verses_of_the_Bible

 

These divisions are artificial and often take away from the meaning of the text.

Estienne printed a lot of Calvin's works and divided the word with chapter insertions and verse numbering even dividing some thoughts and verses mid sentence and he was in Geneva in 1953 printing Calvin's works when Calvin had Michael Servetus burned at the stake for disagreeing with him.  He also was friends and a business associate of Calvin. I'm pretty sure Estienne is responsible for the divisions and indexing in the bibles we read in english today. Not sure why you say "No", then fill in more facts of exactly what I was referring to (I had a question mark at the date). You sure enjoy picking everything people say apart.  Good thing google and wikipedia don't charge you for searches

[thereselittleflower]

1 hour ago, Reinitin said:

No, I think your trying to sell the propaganda of false teachers I already decided to disregard over a decade ago.  So if you think I am in error then go ahead and put up what you believe. I'm just putting up what I believe and answering to all the attacks on my thoughts. I don't think I went to one of your posts and started googling and pasting to proving you wrong. I've pretty much commented on what I think of the first post of a topic then have had to explain/ defend/ verify/ put up with your insults about every word I say. You may have a problem with people not thinking what you think. I honestly know if we belong to the Lord he will correct us and keep us on the path of truth. I don't have to closed doctrinal my mind and thoughts or learning to serve Christ. I actually am a teacher, I teach a class on pray for the Dallas Baptist Seminary in our local church for seminary credit. I am also a student of scripture. I can't say who's student you are sometimes you sound like a student of Catholicism and sometimes a student of calvinism so I have no idea who your a student of but not mine for sure. If I was your teacher first thing i'd teach you is let grace do its perfect work knowledge doesn't save, Jesus does.

Well you specifically said this:

• " After you study and have read what I am talking about then I'll talk to you.  "

 

I'm simply not going to play that game.   We can treat each other as equals without you taking such a tone and stance.    You don't know anything about what I've studied or what I know.  You assume I need to study, yet you do nothing to try to find out if that is the case.  In your assumptions you have tried to place yourself in the position of teacher and to place me in the position of student.    That's not our relationship here.    

I have never insulted you.  If you feel insulted then this is coming from within you, not from me.

Just because you teach a class at your local church for seminary credit that doesn't make you an expert or right or not in need of being a student yourself.

As I said, I'm not going to play this game of one-upmanship.

 

By the way, the only people allowed to teach on this forum are those on the staff of this forum.

 

 

[thereselittleflower]

8 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

Estienne printed a lot of Calvin's works and divided the word with chapter insertions and verse numbering even dividing some thoughts and verses mid sentence and he was in Geneva in 1953 printing Calvin's works when Calvin had Michael Servetus burned at the stake for disagreeing with him.  He also was friends and a business associate of Calvin. I'm pretty sure Estienne is responsible for the divisions and indexing in the bibles we read in english today. Not sure why you say "No", then fill in more facts of exactly what I was referring to (I had a question mark at the date). You sure enjoy picking everything people say apart.  Good thing google and wikipedia don't charge you for searches

He was not the first.

I was explaining this in response to your statements that implied he was the first and giving a bit of the history behind how we came to chapter and verse divisions.  he is the source of our modern verse divisions, but I believe he used chapter divisions done by others earlier.

I didn't think that would be so difficult to understand or follow.

[angels4u]

4 hours ago, Reinitin said:

I also see another major humbling and correction to Gods people in the future too.

You see a major humbling and correction in the future ?

Where do you see that? 

 

[Reinitin]

20 minutes ago, angels4u said:

You see a major humbling and correction in the future ?

Where do you see that? 

 

1 peter 4, romans 2, 2 thess 2 timothy 3, 2 peter 3, hebrews 1, James 5, Hosea 3, Ezekiel 38,Jeremiah 23, daniel 8-10 and so on.

[ENOCH2010]

23 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Scripture does not interpret Scripture

Correct Scripture may reinforce other Scriptures. Some Correct Scriptures may reveal what other Scriptures mean.  Yet unrelated Scripture do not reinforce or reveal other Scriptures.

Scripture says:  Index finger hopping

Judas went out and hanged himself.  Go so do likewise.  Whatever you do, do it quickly.  Do it before sundown.

All correct, yet all taken out of context to formulate a misinformed concept.  The same can happen when one tries to interpret Scripture with Scripture.  An Interpreter really is a translator.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Like the pre-trib doctrine ????

[Montana Marv]

29 minutes ago, ENOCH2010 said:

Like the pre-trib doctrine ????

Enoch

I was thinking of the Post Trib Theory that has no Biblical Support.  Yet some adhere to this Post Trib Theory because they hate the Pre Trib Position.  They think they must prove themselves as true by surviving the 70th Week.  A works related salvation.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Last Daze]

11 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Enoch

I was thinking of the Post Trib Theory that has no Biblical Support.  Yet some adhere to this Post Trib Theory because they hate the Pre Trib Position.  They think they must prove themselves as true by surviving the 70th Week.  A works related salvation.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Apparently, you don't really understand what those who hold to a post-trib view think.  You only know how you perceive them.

[thereselittleflower]

On 2/17/2016 at 1:32 PM, thereselittleflower said:

It is correct to a degree to say:

• "  scripture must provide the context and interpretation for scripture and any interpretation must not be in conflict with any other precept of scripture. "

(I say to a degree, for the scripture does not always provide the context in the way we seek, but by going to outside sources we learn more of the contextual culture, people, events of the time that did not need to be included in the scripture written to people of that time).

Which then creates quite a conundrum for one who claims any interpretation must not be in conflict with any other precept of scripture,  but then says such things as:

• Everything that is, to the  -the farthest sun, most remote black hole, in the galaxy, in the universe is within God's very being.
• Your own body teaches you if there is a bacteria if, there is an intrusion, if there is a virus your own body teaches you that it must go to war with that thing for the preserving of the health of whole thing in itself
  God will deal with everything in Him that is an offense to Him

 

• Hallowed Be Thy Name

  https://gatesofthecity.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/

 

Thus claiming evil exists as an infection within God, which needs to be attacked and dealt with to preserve the health of the whole thing - God - in itself.  So, according to this, God must and will destroy everything IN Him that is an offense.

This means that which is offensive to God, ie evil, darkness, sin, is IN GOD.

Yet scripture says:

 

• 1 John 1:5

  This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

   

  James 1:17
  Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.

   

  1 Timothy 6:16
  who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

 

• Note that we are not told that God is a light but that He is light. Light is part of His essence, as is love (1 John 4:8).The message is that God is completely, unreservedly, absolutely holy, with no admixture of sin, no taint of iniquity, and no hint of injustice.
• http://www.gotquestions.org/God-is-light.html

 

God is not some infinite being battling sin in his being like an infection.

 

This is an example of the results possible when one relies on their private understanding and ignores scriptures which contradict their position.   

 

 

 

I think I need to add something here.   I knew there was a name for the heresy expressed here:

 

 

• Everything that is, to the  -the farthest sun, most remote black hole, in the galaxy, in the universe is within God's very being.
• Your own body teaches you if there is a bacteria if, there is an intrusion, if there is a virus your own body teaches you that it must go to war with that thing for the preserving of the health of whole thing in itself
  God will deal with everything in Him that is an offense to Him

•  

• Hallowed Be Thy Name

  https://gatesofthecity.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/

 

This has been nagging at me, so I looked it up.    

The heretical teaching that everything in the universe is within God's very being is part as the heresy of  Panentheism:

• Question: "What is panentheism?"
  
  Answer: Related to Process Theology, panentheism is essentially a combination of theism (God is the supreme being) and pantheism (God is everything). While pantheism says that God and the universe are coextensive, panentheism claims the God is greater than the universe and that the universe is contained within God. Panentheism holds that God is the “supreme effect” of the universe. God is everything in the universe, but God also is greater than the universe. Events and changes in the universe affect and change God. As the universe grows and learns, God also increases in knowledge and being.
  
  Panentheism is most definitely not biblical. In fact, it is extreme heresy that impugns the character of God and makes Him more like a man. God is present everywhere (Psalm 139:7-8), but God is not everything. God knows everything, whether actual or possible (Psalm 139:1-6; Romans 11:33-35). God does not learn because He already has all knowledge. God is “affected” by things that occur in the universe, but only in that sin angers Him and holiness pleases Him. Our actions do not change God or impact His essential being. 
  
  The Bible presents God as holy (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8), sovereign (1 Chronicles 29:11; Nehemiah 9:6;Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 37:20), omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-10), omniscient (Job 28:24; Psalm 147:4-5), omnipotent (Job 42:1-2), self-existent (Exodus 3:14; Psalm 36:9), eternal (Psalm 90:2; Habakkuk 1:12), immutable (Psalm 33:11; James 1:17), perfect (Deuteronomy 32:3-4), and infinite (Job 5:9; 9:10). None of these attributes are compatible with panentheism. God transcends all of His creation, and is in no sense limited or changed by events in His creation.

 

http://www.gotquestions.org/panentheism.html

 

 

 

[Reinitin]

7 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

I think I need to add something here.   I knew there was a name for the heresy expressed here:

 

 

• Everything that is, to the  -the farthest sun, most remote black hole, in the galaxy, in the universe is within God's very being.
• Your own body teaches you if there is a bacteria if, there is an intrusion, if there is a virus your own body teaches you that it must go to war with that thing for the preserving of the health of whole thing in itself
  God will deal with everything in Him that is an offense to Him

•  

• Hallowed Be Thy Name

  https://gatesofthecity.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/

 

This has been nagging at me, so I looked it up.    

The heretical teaching that everything in the universe is within God's very being is part as the heresy of  Panentheism:

• Question: "What is panentheism?"
  
  Answer: Related to Process Theology, panentheism is essentially a combination of theism (God is the supreme being) and pantheism (God is everything). While pantheism says that God and the universe are coextensive, panentheism claims the God is greater than the universe and that the universe is contained within God. Panentheism holds that God is the “supreme effect” of the universe. God is everything in the universe, but God also is greater than the universe. Events and changes in the universe affect and change God. As the universe grows and learns, God also increases in knowledge and being.
  
  Panentheism is most definitely not biblical. In fact, it is extreme heresy that impugns the character of God and makes Him more like a man. God is present everywhere (Psalm 139:7-8), but God is not everything. God knows everything, whether actual or possible (Psalm 139:1-6; Romans 11:33-35). God does not learn because He already has all knowledge. God is “affected” by things that occur in the universe, but only in that sin angers Him and holiness pleases Him. Our actions do not change God or impact His essential being. 
  
  The Bible presents God as holy (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8), sovereign (1 Chronicles 29:11; Nehemiah 9:6;Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 37:20), omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-10), omniscient (Job 28:24; Psalm 147:4-5), omnipotent (Job 42:1-2), self-existent (Exodus 3:14; Psalm 36:9), eternal (Psalm 90:2; Habakkuk 1:12), immutable (Psalm 33:11; James 1:17), perfect (Deuteronomy 32:3-4), and infinite (Job 5:9; 9:10). None of these attributes are compatible with panentheism. God transcends all of His creation, and is in no sense limited or changed by events in His creation.

 

http://www.gotquestions.org/panentheism.html

 

 

 

I agree with you here, it's false witness about God.

Psalm 92:15Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

15 to declare: “The Lord is just;
He is my rock,
and there is no unrighteousness in Him.”

Psalms 5:4For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; No evil dwells with You. 5The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity.

1 john 1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth