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You will often see a reference to a 70th week at the end of time "inserted" into Revelation, or Matt 24, or 1Thess 4.

None of those chapters mention a "70th week" or the "midst of the week" or any such thing.

In the bible we have these 3 rules

1. All bible timelines are unbroken and contiguous without exception. .Daniel 9:1-7 is a good example withe Jeremiah's 70 years.

2. All Apocalyptic timeline use day-for-year symbolism. Each day is one solar year.

3. Bible authors build on the previous prophetic statements of scripture.

 

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11 minutes ago, BobRyan said:

You will often see a reference to a 70th week at the end of time "inserted" into Revelation, or Matt 24, or 1Thess 4.

None of those chapters mention a "70th week" or the "midst of the week" or any such thing.

In the bible we have these 3 rules

1. All bible timelines are unbroken and contiguous without exception. .Daniel 9:1-7 is a good example withe Jeremiah's 70 years.

2. All Apocalyptic timeline use day-for-year symbolism. Each day is one solar year.

3. Bible authors build on the previous prophetic statements of scripture.

 

Hi BobRyan,

Not sure where you got those 3 rules from but I believe they are not correct.

1. Isa. 61: 2 `To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God;...`  Clearly over 2000 years space on the timeline.

2. 2 Peter 3: 10 `But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise,.....` Clearly again we see a considerable amount of time from - thief in the night time, - to the heavens & earth being melted with fervent heat.  (Over a 1,000 years there for `the Day of the Lord.`)

3. Bible prophecies give different details of the same events, not always building but showing a different aspect. I would probably say they reveal further details rather than `building.`

As to the `70th week of years,` you would probably need to do your maths on Daniel 9: 24 - 27.

regards, Marilyn. 

 

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3 hours ago, BobRyan said:

You will often see a reference to a 70th week at the end of time "inserted" into Revelation, or Matt 24, or 1Thess 4.

None of those chapters mention a "70th week" or the "midst of the week" or any such thing.

In the bible we have these 3 rules

1. All bible timelines are unbroken and contiguous without exception. .Daniel 9:1-7 is a good example withe Jeremiah's 70 years.

2. All Apocalyptic timeline use day-for-year symbolism. Each day is one solar year.

3. Bible authors build on the previous prophetic statements of scripture.

 

The 70th 'week' of Daniel has not yet happened. It was not fulfilled in the first century, despite many false ideas from those who would like it be past history. Revelation mentions the 2 half's of this seven  year period, so it will occur as the last seven years before Jesus Returns.

1/ Bible timelines can have gaps. Revelation 8:1, the Seventh Seal tells of the 'about 20 year' gap between the Sixth Seal and Jesus' Return.

2/ Day for a year only applies where are told it does. Ezekiel 4:5

3/ I agree with Marilyn here.

 

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7 hours ago, BobRyan said:

You will often see a reference to a 70th week at the end of time "inserted" into Revelation, or Matt 24, or 1Thess 4.

None of those chapters mention a "70th week" or the "midst of the week" or any such thing.

In the bible we have these 3 rules

1. All bible timelines are unbroken and contiguous without exception. .Daniel 9:1-7 is a good example withe Jeremiah's 70 years.

2. All Apocalyptic timeline use day-for-year symbolism. Each day is one solar year.

3. Bible authors build on the previous prophetic statements of scripture.

 

Daniel's 70 Week Decree against Israel

In Daniel 9:24, Daniel prophesied that these six things must come to pass before this judgment against Israel would be fulfilled. Some think Jesus fulfilled all of these, most seem to think, as I do, that these things have not come to pass, and when they do that will be the end of the age.

1. Finish the transgression  (Israel is still in rebellion)
2. Make and end of sins  (Sins will end when Jesus returns)
3. To make reconciliation for iniquity  (Israel has not Atoned)
4. Bring in everlasting righteousness  (Only Jesus can bring this with him)
5. To seal up vision and prophecy  (Prophecy ends when Jesus Returns)
6. Anoint the most Holy  (Jesus will be Anointed King of Kings and Lord of Lords)

1. The Hebrew word used for transgression denotes revolt or rebellion. The Jewish people chose to reject God, many chose to stay in Babylon once they were freed. It also denotes their rejection of Jesus Christ. Jesus prophesied in Matthew 23:39 that the Jewish people would not see him again until they accepted him. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. So in order for Jesus to return, Israel has to repent of their rejection of God and Jesus, and Israel will open their hearts to the Messiah, as Paul, Isaiah and Zechariah (Zechariah 12:10) prophesied, among others.

2. This is fairly straightforward, sins can only end when the millennial reign starts, so by the time this 70 week decree is over, Jesus will have returned to set up his kingdom, ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no sins. Since the tribulation week is the last week of the 70 weeks decree, that makes perfect sense, as soon as the tribulation period ends, or the "time of Jacob's trouble", then "sins will end".

3. Israel has to be reconciled unto God before the 70 weeks have been fulfilled. There is no doubt that Jesus died for all of our sins, thus the atonement for sins has been made, but there is a conditional requirement for all of us to receive that atonement, we must accept Jesus as our Savior. When Israel accepts the Messiah Jesus, as their Messiah, then the atonement for sins will have been completed, and Israel will have been reconciled unto God, thereby ushering in the millennial kingdom.

4. This 70 week decree has to bring in everlasting righteousness, and we know this can not happen until Jesus sets up his Kingdom. This world has always had sin, and always will until Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. By the time Daniels prophecy ends, it must usher in everlasting righteousness.

5. Seal up vision and prophecy, the word used here denotes to close up, meaning that before this 70th week can come to an end, all prophecy must be fulfilled or closed up. This will only happen when Israel accepts Jesus as their Messiah and he lands on Mt. Zion to rule over this wicked world with a rod of iron.

6. The very last goal that this 70 week prophecy has to usher in is the anointing of the most holy. The bible says most holy, many try to add holy place, but whether it is the temple being anointed, or Jesus Christ as Lord of Lord and Kings of Kings as I suspect, we know this must happen before the 70 weeks decree is fulfilled. And Jesus must return and rule on earth.

All six of these things have to happen before this prophecy is fulfilled. These are six spiritual goals that have to come to pass or this prophecy will not be finished or sealed up. We know these things have not come to pass yet, but we also know they are very near to happening, therefore watch, for Israel is now a nation again, and the world is against her, soon she will need her Messiah s help, then she will call upon him, and he will save her from this wicked world.

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10 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

We know these things have not come to pass yet, but we also know they are very near to happening, therefore watch, for Israel is now a nation again, and the world is against her, soon she will need her Messiah s help, then she will call upon him, and he will save her from this wicked world.

I have to object to the idea that Israel, the Jewish people, will receive a special salvation from God. I am not 'anti-Semitic',  I only feel sad for those who refuse to accept Jesus' salvation, which is on offer now; there will be no further chance later.  

The idea of the Jews calling upon their Messiah and being saved, isn't in the Bible, it is just a construct of the 'rapture to heaven' of the Church believers. Those people currently living in a part of the holy Land, followers of the Judaism religion: which is far removed from the worship that God originally gave them, are also atheists, LBGT people and false religion worshippers. They are all prophesied to be judged and punished, only a remnant will survive to join their Christian brethren.   Romans 9:27, Isaiah 22:14, Jeremiah 10:18, Luke 19:27, +

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19 hours ago, BobRyan said:

You will often see a reference to a 70th week at the end of time "inserted" into Revelation, or Matt 24, or 1Thess 4.

None of those chapters mention a "70th week" or the "midst of the week" or any such thing.

In the bible we have these 3 rules

1. All bible timelines are unbroken and contiguous without exception. .Daniel 9:1-7 is a good example withe Jeremiah's 70 years.

2. All Apocalyptic timeline use day-for-year symbolism. Each day is one solar year.

3. Bible authors build on the previous prophetic statements of scripture.

 

I don't believe you.

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13 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Daniel's 70 Week Decree against Israel

In Daniel 9:24, Daniel prophesied that these six things must come to pass before this judgment against Israel would be fulfilled. Some think Jesus fulfilled all of these, most seem to think, as I do, that these things have not come to pass, and when they do that will be the end of the age.

1. Finish the transgression  (Israel is still in rebellion)
2. Make and end of sins  (Sins will end when Jesus returns)
3. To make reconciliation for iniquity  (Israel has not Atoned)
4. Bring in everlasting righteousness  (Only Jesus can bring this with him)
5. To seal up vision and prophecy  (Prophecy ends when Jesus Returns)
6. Anoint the most Holy  (Jesus will be Anointed King of Kings and Lord of Lords)

1. The Hebrew word used for transgression denotes revolt or rebellion. The Jewish people chose to reject God, many chose to stay in Babylon once they were freed. It also denotes their rejection of Jesus Christ. Jesus prophesied in Matthew 23:39 that the Jewish people would not see him again until they accepted him. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. So in order for Jesus to return, Israel has to repent of their rejection of God and Jesus, and Israel will open their hearts to the Messiah, as Paul, Isaiah and Zechariah (Zechariah 12:10) prophesied, among others.

2. This is fairly straightforward, sins can only end when the millennial reign starts, so by the time this 70 week decree is over, Jesus will have returned to set up his kingdom, ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no sins. Since the tribulation week is the last week of the 70 weeks decree, that makes perfect sense, as soon as the tribulation period ends, or the "time of Jacob's trouble", then "sins will end".

3. Israel has to be reconciled unto God before the 70 weeks have been fulfilled. There is no doubt that Jesus died for all of our sins, thus the atonement for sins has been made, but there is a conditional requirement for all of us to receive that atonement, we must accept Jesus as our Savior. When Israel accepts the Messiah Jesus, as their Messiah, then the atonement for sins will have been completed, and Israel will have been reconciled unto God, thereby ushering in the millennial kingdom.

4. This 70 week decree has to bring in everlasting righteousness, and we know this can not happen until Jesus sets up his Kingdom. This world has always had sin, and always will until Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. By the time Daniels prophecy ends, it must usher in everlasting righteousness.

5. Seal up vision and prophecy, the word used here denotes to close up, meaning that before this 70th week can come to an end, all prophecy must be fulfilled or closed up. This will only happen when Israel accepts Jesus as their Messiah and he lands on Mt. Zion to rule over this wicked world with a rod of iron.

6. The very last goal that this 70 week prophecy has to usher in is the anointing of the most holy. The bible says most holy, many try to add holy place, but whether it is the temple being anointed, or Jesus Christ as Lord of Lord and Kings of Kings as I suspect, we know this must happen before the 70 weeks decree is fulfilled. And Jesus must return and rule on earth.

All six of these things have to happen before this prophecy is fulfilled. These are six spiritual goals that have to come to pass or this prophecy will not be finished or sealed up. We know these things have not come to pass yet, but we also know they are very near to happening, therefore watch, for Israel is now a nation again, and the world is against her, soon she will need her Messiah s help, then she will call upon him, and he will save her from this wicked world.

Hi RevelationMan,

Some good thoughts there bro. Now just a little comment as regards` number 2. 

`...ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no sins...

In Zechariah 14 we read of the nations that do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King. They will have punishment upon them. Thus it seems to me they are sinning, not in obedience to the King.

2. Make an end of sins - this is in relation to Israel, I believe as are the other statements.   

What do you think?

Marilyn.

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3 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:
13 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Daniel's 70 Week Decree against Israel

In Daniel 9:24, Daniel prophesied that these six things must come to pass before this judgment against Israel would be fulfilled. Some think Jesus fulfilled all of these, most seem to think, as I do, that these things have not come to pass, and when they do that will be the end of the age.

1. Finish the transgression  (Israel is still in rebellion)
2. Make and end of sins  (Sins will end when Jesus returns)
3. To make reconciliation for iniquity  (Israel has not Atoned)
4. Bring in everlasting righteousness  (Only Jesus can bring this with him)
5. To seal up vision and prophecy  (Prophecy ends when Jesus Returns)
6. Anoint the most Holy  (Jesus will be Anointed King of Kings and Lord of Lords)

1. The Hebrew word used for transgression denotes revolt or rebellion. The Jewish people chose to reject God, many chose to stay in Babylon once they were freed. It also denotes their rejection of Jesus Christ. Jesus prophesied in Matthew 23:39 that the Jewish people would not see him again until they accepted him. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. So in order for Jesus to return, Israel has to repent of their rejection of God and Jesus, and Israel will open their hearts to the Messiah, as Paul, Isaiah and Zechariah (Zechariah 12:10) prophesied, among others.

2. This is fairly straightforward, sins can only end when the millennial reign starts, so by the time this 70 week decree is over, Jesus will have returned to set up his kingdom, ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no sins. Since the tribulation week is the last week of the 70 weeks decree, that makes perfect sense, as soon as the tribulation period ends, or the "time of Jacob's trouble", then "sins will end".

3. Israel has to be reconciled unto God before the 70 weeks have been fulfilled. There is no doubt that Jesus died for all of our sins, thus the atonement for sins has been made, but there is a conditional requirement for all of us to receive that atonement, we must accept Jesus as our Savior. When Israel accepts the Messiah Jesus, as their Messiah, then the atonement for sins will have been completed, and Israel will have been reconciled unto God, thereby ushering in the millennial kingdom.

4. This 70 week decree has to bring in everlasting righteousness, and we know this can not happen until Jesus sets up his Kingdom. This world has always had sin, and always will until Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. By the time Daniels prophecy ends, it must usher in everlasting righteousness.

5. Seal up vision and prophecy, the word used here denotes to close up, meaning that before this 70th week can come to an end, all prophecy must be fulfilled or closed up. This will only happen when Israel accepts Jesus as their Messiah and he lands on Mt. Zion to rule over this wicked world with a rod of iron.

6. The very last goal that this 70 week prophecy has to usher in is the anointing of the most holy. The bible says most holy, many try to add holy place, but whether it is the temple being anointed, or Jesus Christ as Lord of Lord and Kings of Kings as I suspect, we know this must happen before the 70 weeks decree is fulfilled. And Jesus must return and rule on earth.

All six of these things have to happen before this prophecy is fulfilled. These are six spiritual goals that have to come to pass or this prophecy will not be finished or sealed up. We know these things have not come to pass yet, but we also know they are very near to happening, therefore watch, for Israel is now a nation again, and the world is against her, soon she will need her Messiah s help, then she will call upon him, and he will save her from this wicked world.

Hi RevelationMan,

Some good thoughts there bro. Now just a little comment as regards` number 2. 

`...ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no sins...

In Zechariah 14 we read of the nations that do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King. They will have punishment upon them. Thus it seems to me they are sinning, not in obedience to the King.

2. Make an end of sins - this is in relation to Israel, I believe as are the other statements.   

What do you think?

Marilyn.

If there is no more sin, how is it when Satan is released a the end of the Millennium, how can he gather such a great army if there is no more sin?

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Just now, OneLight said:

If there is no more sin, how is it when Satan is released a the end of the Millennium, how can he gather such a great army if there is no more sin?

Good point there OneLight.:thumbs_up:

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1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi RevelationMan,

Some good thoughts there bro. Now just a little comment as regards` number 2. 

`...ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no sins...

In Zechariah 14 we read of the nations that do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King. They will have punishment upon them. Thus it seems to me they are sinning, not in obedience to the King.

2. Make an end of sins - this is in relation to Israel, I believe as are the other statements.   

What do you think?

Marilyn.

That is who the Prophecy is about, Israel, so I agree it is about Israel for sure. Jesus will live in Jerusalem. As per the rest of the world there isn't  enough info for me to make a determination.  

This is an old blog of mine, I would probably ad in Malachi 4:5-6 if I rewrote it as per the timing of number 3.

God Bless

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