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"Pops, what was Jesus discussing in chapters 16 and 18 where He uses the word church?"


The Lord says nothing about the church in Matthew 16 or 18



24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.


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It is written that as a lightning can be seen from the edge to the edge, so will the coming of Christ.

"For as the lightning flashes and lights up the sky from one side to the other, so will the Son of Man be in his day" Luke 17:24

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On 6/14/2018 at 12:47 AM, Daniel 11:36 said:

Matthew 24 is all about Israel during the coming 70th week decreed

Other things are discussed about the time frame, but Matthew 24 is specifically related to Israel

Where folks get things confused is not being well read in the prophecies of the OT.  Yeshua is referencing stuff that had already been outlined by the prophets. He was just putting it into a Readers Digest condensed form.  The same for Revelation, which is 404 verses with references to over 800 OT passages.  Much of what Yeshua says can be found in the prophets and in every instance in those OT references, it refers to the Hebrew people.  As you stated.

Matthew 25 (sheep and goat judgement) is a discourse by Yeshua that builds upon Joel 3.  When taken together, these passages are clearly marking out that those of the nations are being judged on how they treated the Hebrew people.... Yeshua's brethren.  The righteous are not even in sight.  Of course, that is because they were removed prior to all this stuff.

But also, the prophets, Psalms 27:5, and other verses make reference to those that are righteous being hidden from those events which are the time of Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:5-7).  The Psalms mentions about being hidden in the Lord's pavilion and secure in His tabernacle.  And do a careful reading of Isaiah 26:17-21.  There are dozens of OT verses that support the idea of the righteous being hidden, protected, secure, etc from the final tribulation period that is coming upon the earth.

Do a serious study of "labor pains" and "birth pains" in the OT scripture.  It should illuminate the issue.  The OT is rich with details of the latter days events.  I find myself actually studying the OT references to the final tribulation as much or more than I previously studied the NT references.  But one thing for certain, they compliment each other and really brighten one's understanding of the events.

And it follows the Torah requirement that a matter cannot be judged without the testimony of two witnesses.  We have those witnesses... the Tanakh (OT) and the NT.  The Bereans were commended by Paul for searching the scripture daily to see if what he taught them was true.  And all they had was the Tanakh.  So, in almost every instance, what is mentioned in the NT is expounding on something that already was mentioned in the OT.  


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On ‎3‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 4:55 PM, Dennis1209 said:

This short article from the website 'Rapture Ready' outlines just how close our redemption is, if you're a pre-tribulation believer. It nicely dovetails my own view and opinion of the 'season' of the catching up of believers. Rather than copy and paste, the link is below for those interested.


I can say with absolute certainty that the Rapture is closer on September 14 , 2018  than is was on September 13  , 2018 .

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1 hour ago, Unfailing Presence said:

I can say with absolute certainty that the Rapture is closer on September 14 , 2018  than is was on September 13  , 2018 .

Well gee ya think 😁

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On 6/15/2018 at 12:04 PM, Steve Conley said:

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

Pops, what was Jesus discussing in chapters 16 and 18 where He uses the word church? What was Jesus talking about when He commissioned the disciples, to make disciples and teach them all that He had taught them. He said that He would be with them in their disciple making until the "end of the world." That is the same "end of the world" that Jesus was asked a sign for in Matt 24.

If you indeed know Christ, each one of these inconsistencies that you have been shown will no-doubt be brought to your attention when you stand before Him to give account at the judgement seat, unless you repent and correct your error.

There is still time to help those within your sphere of influence.


In case you missed it, the church on the day of Pentecost was a Jewish church. That church died out.  God turned to the Gentiles.

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On 6/14/2018 at 4:15 AM, Brother Duke said:

More than just Israel.


Mat 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.

Mat 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Mat 24:21 "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

True, more than Just Israel, but the majority of His words were directed at Jewish men about the end of THEIR age. 

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On 6/14/2018 at 2:37 AM, n2thelight said:

Again,scripture please.....What part from the beginning of that chapter says it's for Israel?

Also ,like I said,you either with Christ or you are not.

His people are Christians,period!!!!

How about those whom He knows WILL BECOME Christians? 

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On 6/14/2018 at 12:47 AM, Daniel 11:36 said:

Matthew 24 is all about Israel during the coming 70th week decreed

Other things are discussed about the time frame, but Matthew 24 is specifically related to Israel

For you doubters, this can be proven by scripture!

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On 6/13/2018 at 10:44 PM, n2thelight said:

Israel is not special,perse,you're with Christ or against Him,period.

Christians are Israel,in other words anyone, whom ever they are,becomes Israel upon accepting Christ.

Israel themselves,if not of Christ,are cut off.

Say this to say I'm tired of you rapturist saying that Matthew 24 was written to Israel,as that's the only way you can reconcile the verse of Christ,Himself saying He returns after the trib

Be tired. For the most part, it is HEBREWS living in the land of Israel. I hope you have read Ezek. 37? 

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