Escaping the Trap

[Omegaman 3.0]

40 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

the fleeing, or having strength, or being counted worthy appears to be more spiritual in nature that actual physical fleeing or strength.

Jesus talks about resisting dissipation and drunkenness and contrasts those activities with being on the alert.

Is there a reason, it cannot be both?

[Last Daze]

9 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Is there a reason, it cannot be both?

It could be both.

There is quite often a natural and a spiritual application.

[WilliamL]

On 7/18/2018 at 8:56 AM, Last Daze said:

• What day is it that will come suddenly like a trap?
• What does it mean to escape, or flee from, all those things?

What day? the day when the present world order collapses. It could have happened in 2008, when the global financial meltdown almost collapsed the economic system. That could, many say will, happen again, only this time the banks will close for good, and the money system will go bust. A major EMP attack or other event that collapses the electrical grid would have the same result.

To escape means to flee to the wilderness, exactly what Rev. 12 prophesies.

The biblical type and shadow of these things was the Exodus, when the prevailing world power of that day, the Kingdom of Egypt, fully collapsed in the space of a week, during which week the Israelites fled into the wilderness.

 

Edited July 25, 2018 by WilliamL

[Mike Mclees]

On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 4:23 PM, Steve Conley said:

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

Luk 21:34  And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
Luk 21:35  For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Luk 21:36  Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

1Th 5:2  For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3  For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5  Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6  Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
1Th 5:7  For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
1Th 5:8  But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
1Th 5:9  For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Th 5:10  Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

Rev 3:10  Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Hallelujah

I agree. good post

[iamlamad]

On 7/25/2018 at 4:02 PM, WilliamL said:

What day? the day when the present world order collapses. It could have happened in 2008, when the global financial meltdown almost collapsed the economic system. That could, many say will, happen again, only this time the banks will close for good, and the money system will go bust. A major EMP attack or other event that collapses the electrical grid would have the same result.

To escape means to flee to the wilderness, exactly what Rev. 12 prophesies.

The biblical type and shadow of these things was the Exodus, when the prevailing world power of that day, the Kingdom of Egypt, fully collapsed in the space of a week, during which week the Israelites fled into the wilderness.

 

We must keep in mind that God has some scripture pointed to the church, some pointed to the Hebrews, and some pointed to the nations. If we mix these up, our doctrine will be mixed up too.

For the CHURCH, those who are IN CHRIST, there is an escape, which is being caught up together and taken to our mansions in the sky.  We escape. Just as Paul wrote, while (at the same time) THEY get sudden destruction [of a world wide earthquake] but WE [those In Christ] get "salvation" [raptured] and we get to "live together with Him!"  (So Shall we ever be with the Lord!)

On another hand, there will be Gentiles who are left behind, and a few of them will turn to God during the 70th week. Most, if not all of them will lose their head. They don't live in Judea, but around the world. 

Then there are the Jews and Hebrews, the descendants of Jacob. Those that live in Judea and know Jesus' words will flee to the wilderness - probably to the city of Petra.  Many will still be in Jerusalem when Jesus' feet land on the Mount, and the mountain splits and makes a way for those to flee.  It is written that Jesus goes to Bozra, which may be Petra, and sets those that fled free. 

The nations are brought to Israel for the sheep and goat judgment. 

In 1 Thes. 4, the classic rapture verse, Jesus is talking to the CHURCH, not to Jews or Hebrews that are not born again. 

In the Olivet discourse, Jesus was talking to Jewish men about the end of THEIR age [not the end of the church age] which is proven by His mention of the abomination in the midst of the 70th week of Daniel, a week for HIS People, the Jews and Hebrews. 

[Mike Mclees]

On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 4:23 PM, Steve Conley said:

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

Luk 21:34  And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
Luk 21:35  For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Luk 21:36  Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

1Th 5:2  For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3  For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5  Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6  Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
1Th 5:7  For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
1Th 5:8  But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
1Th 5:9  For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Th 5:10  Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

Rev 3:10  Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Hallelujah

Yes very good post

[Diaste]

On 8/7/2018 at 9:22 AM, iamlamad said:

On another hand, there will be Gentiles who are left behind, and a few of them will turn to God during the 70th week. Most, if not all of them will lose their head. They don't live in Judea, but around the world. 

Is that so? Gentiles will turn to God during the 70th week? During the wrath of God? These believers will endure the wrath of God?

Don't you base your escape on 1 Thess 5:9, "For God hath not appointed us to wrath,"? But that's not for anyone who is born again in the 70th week. They are not a part of "us", obviously. Correct?

So how is it you get to escape and a great many others do not?

Why is it you don't suffer the wrath of God but others do suffer wrath? Other believers. Your brothers and sisters.

Don't you have any concern for these fellow followers of Jesus, your spiritual family, who you say must suffer God's wrath while you yourself escape that wrath?

Could it be possible you're incorrect?

Is it possible that wrath and the 70th week are not synonymous?

[OldCoot]

I generally see the "thief in the night" reference as implying unexpected, unforeseen, with no warning.  More like a removal of the righteous before the GT.  It will catch everyone off guard except those that are prepared for it.   A thief comes to take something.  A thief tries to do it covertly when no one is anticipating it.  Paul implied there is a specific reward, or crown, for those that are anticipating Yeshua's appearing.

If it meant something other than that, like something after the GT had started, then since the GT had started, one would be able to calculate certain things, including Yeshua's coming.  So it wouldn't fit so nice and tidy into a "thief in the night" idea.  Like for instance, when the false messiah violates the covenant with Israel and sets up the abomination in the Temple, there is 3.5 years to go.  

I know some feel that a pre-trib removal of the righteous is a faulty idea, but I think that comes from a misunderstanding what the GT period is all about, who it is primarily focused on, and what the goal of the GT is.  And none of that has to do with those that have been made righteous before it starts.

Edited September 3, 2018 by OldCoot

[iamlamad]

16 hours ago, Diaste said:

Is that so? Gentiles will turn to God during the 70th week? During the wrath of God? These believers will endure the wrath of God?

Don't you base your escape on 1 Thess 5:9, "For God hath not appointed us to wrath,"? But that's not for anyone who is born again in the 70th week. They are not a part of "us", obviously. Correct?

So how is it you get to escape and a great many others do not?

Why is it you don't suffer the wrath of God but others do suffer wrath? Other believers. Your brothers and sisters.

Don't you have any concern for these fellow followers of Jesus, your spiritual family, who you say must suffer God's wrath while you yourself escape that wrath?

Could it be possible you're incorrect?

Is it possible that wrath and the 70th week are not synonymous?

My guess is, millions of Gentiles will turn to Jesus. The fact is, there are millions of people today who call themselves Christian, but they just don't know enough of the Word of God to become born again.  God will not take them to heaven. They will have to live on earth during God's wrath. 

Then it is my believe that there will be some truly born again people who will not be caught up. For example, born again people who are foolish enough to hold unforgiveness against others.  God cannot catch them up, for their sins are not forgiven. 

Why will some escape while others don't? It is so simple: those that are born again and in right standing with God will be caught up.  Why is this difficult?  

Well, take YOU for example: I have been trying to show you that the rapture comes FIRST. In other words, I am trying to get you ready so you won't be left behind.  Of course I have concern. The devil is making a BIG push to convince as many as he can that pretrib is not truth. He figures the more get left behind, the more he will have a chance to deceive into accepting the mark. Thirst is a very good persuader!  When people get thirsty enough, they will do most anything for a drink. 

Go back to the 6th seal and read it for yourself! Do you think John was incorrect? I don't. 

[iamlamad]

11 hours ago, OldCoot said:

I generally see the "thief in the night" reference as implying unexpected, unforeseen, with no warning.  More like a removal of the righteous before the GT.  It will catch everyone off guard except those that are prepared for it.   A thief comes to take something.  A thief tries to do it covertly when no one is anticipating it.  Paul implied there is a specific reward, or crown, for those that are anticipating Yeshua's appearing.

If it meant something other than that, like something after the GT had started, then since the GT had started, one would be able to calculate certain things, including Yeshua's coming.  So it wouldn't fit so nice and tidy into a "thief in the night" idea.  Like for instance, when the false messiah violates the covenant with Israel and sets up the abomination in the Temple, there is 3.5 years to go.  

I know some feel that a pre-trib removal of the righteous is a faulty idea, but I think that comes from a misunderstanding what the GT period is all about, who it is primarily focused on, and what the goal of the GT is.  And none of that has to do with those that have been made righteous before it starts.

Good post.