Looking For Input Concerning False Doctrine in the Churches

[Last Daze]

2 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

 

Some of our beloved hymns well meaning as they are, can sometimes contain slightly erroneous verses in them as well. It's not just the new ones especially. I wouldn't exactly refer to it as false doctrine though. If there was any worship and glory received by our Lord, is that such a bad thing? 

I think each song should be taken on its own merit.  There are some contemporary songs that I refuse to sing.

[simplejeff]

On 6/19/2019 at 2:30 PM, Last Daze said:

We know that in the end times that deception will become so prevalent that it will even be taught by those who come in Jesus name (Matthew 24:5) so I want to identify some of those false teachings.

When a fisherman puts a cricket on a hook,  to lure the fish to be caught,  the "bait" is real. It really is a cricket.

 

When the false church uses "bait" to draw in people, to lure them to be 'caught', the "bait" is real.   i.e.  they could use a "true" teaching ,

but people who are lured in are caught...  (not always,  but multitudes are) ....  in a fully false system.

In another post recently , in another thread,  (several really),   someone else demonstrated this (they got caught, lured in),  by mac&*&^&*er's false gospel.  (a very common one,  widely 'approved')

When this is brought to the light,  exposed,  it is so deceptive, they(many) defend their false gospel instead of escaping it.   Some,  (a few , as written in Scripture),   are barely saved.   What happens to the rest ...... (not good).

[BeauJangles]

5 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

I think each song should be taken on its own merit.  There are some contemporary songs that I refuse to sing.

Sure. There's a number of them that are almost 'sappy'. lol 

[Willa]

If this thread keeps on the same course we may have to move it to the controversial forum.  

[Marilyn C]

17 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

 

Some of our beloved hymns well meaning as they are, can sometimes contain slightly erroneous verses in them as well. It's not just the new ones especially. I wouldn't exactly refer to it as false doctrine though. If there was any worship and glory received by our Lord, is that such a bad thing? 

Hi BeauJangles,

I agree, for we are all being lead into the fullness of truth by the Holy Spirit. And thus we need, as best we know, to `worship in spirit and truth.` (John 4: 23 & 24)

regards, Marilyn.

[JLB]

On 6/21/2019 at 7:05 PM, JoeCanada said:

The teaching that a person can take the mark of the beast and still be saved....John MacArthur

 

Wow.

 

Do you have a quote of him saying this?

 

I have confronted people who believe and teach OSAS about this, and they admitted that Christians who take the mark of the beast are still saved, however I have never actually heard of John MacArthur admitting this. 

 

 

 

JLB 

[JLB]

On 6/21/2019 at 7:05 PM, JoeCanada said:

The teaching of "Word faith"... Kenneth Copeland, Fred Price, Paul Crouch, Benny Hinn....Joel Oesteen, Joyce Meyers....etc

 

Don’t forget to add the Apostle Paul to the list. 

 

But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:8-10

 

• The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

 

 

 

JLB

[JLB]

On 6/21/2019 at 7:05 PM, JoeCanada said:

The teaching that God chooses who will be saved and that only those who are chosen can be saved.....Calvinism

 

Amen. 

 

This is false doctrine.

 

 JLB 

[Justin Adams]

On 7/1/2019 at 3:17 PM, Abdicate said:

Here's a whopper... Jesus rose on Saturday, not Sunday. Due to the Laodicean Council in ~364 AD, these canons helped divorce Christians from the Jews which is against what Jesus did for us:

        Canon 29
                Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ. (1)

        Canon 37

                It is not lawful to receive portions sent from the feasts of Jews or heretics, nor to feast together with them. (1)

        Canon 38

                It is not lawful to receive unleavened bread from the Jews, nor to be partakers of their impiety. (1)

 

As such, changing the Lord's Day (Sabbath) to Sunday totally breaking one of the commandments even though the Sabbath was created by the Father at the beginning of time.

        Exodus 20:8-10
        Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: or in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

        Ephesians 2:14-15
        Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Because of these new laws, "first [day] of the week" was added as a definition for sabbaton. But even in Greek, sabbaton means Saturday. Young's literal has it correct:

        Matthew 28:1
        And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

What is the first of the sabbaths? The counting as commanded in Leviticus:

        Leviticus 23:15
        And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:

The first sabbath after the wave offering (which is the day after Passover's Sabbath) is the first of seven sabbaths to count to Pentecost.

Before 300 AD, never had Sabbaton been used for week which is εβδομάδα (evdomáda). 

Strong's G4521 translate sabbaton in the following manner: sabbath day (37x), sabbath (22x), week (9x).

6 of the 9 times the translation is about the Resurrection. Once it's translated "first [day] of the week" (1 Cor 16:2) to bring your tithes, when Paul was with the apostles (Acts 20:7), and "fast twice a week" (Luke 18:12). All of which have no problem using Sabbath instead of week. The addition of μία (mia) can mean, one, first, certain, and "a". The only sole reason for the translations to be "first [day] of the week" which you'll notice that "day" is always in italic in the KJV because it's missing in the originals, is to divorce Christians from the Jews, which Jesus is one! - hmmm.

By the time the Protestant revolt occurred in 1517 AD, these beliefs were we well entrenched and unchangeable except for those that do their own homework. In other words, the whole sabbaton translation issue is very Antisemitic. 

 

1. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htm

Oh YEAH. Say it loud bro. SUN-day, Ishtar and bunnies, Queen of heaven etc. psalm 82, Deut. 32 Is. 14 etc.

Worship of the Principalities and Powers and an underlying HATRED of all things Israeli.

SAY IT LOUD AND VERY OFTEN - some might even hear you!!

[JLB]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

Oh YEAH. Say it loud bro. SUN-day, Ishtar and bunnies, Queen of heaven etc. psalm 82, Deut. 32 Is. 14 etc.

Worship of the Principalities and Powers and an underlying HATRED of all things Israeli.

SAY IT LOUD AND VERY OFTEN - some might even hear you!!

 

Brother please,

 

He is not hating all things Israel.

 

He is just pointing out that Jesus didn’t rise from the dead on Saturday.

 

He rose on the first day of the week.

 

Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons. She went and told those who had been with Him, as they mourned and wept. And when they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they did not believe. Mark 16:9-11

 

 

 

 

JLB