Signs in the heavens, the earth, and the sea?

[other one]

6 minutes ago, luigi said:

As I stated in the OP, we are only now beginning to see these signs, which according to the majority consensus are now increasing exponentially. A couple of weeks ago when ice on Greenland was melting, an article mentioned that the majority consensus had been that the level of melting experienced was not projected to occur until 2070. We have increasing fire seasons throughout the world. We have red tides increasing throughout the world. We have increasing poisoning of rivers and aquifers from fracking operations throughout the world. Read Revelation 8 and see if you can match these up.

that's no big deal for Greenland has been ice free in the past....   it's just a cycle...   Rivers in the USA are much cleaner than they were in the early 1900's.

Fracking operations are not getting into fresh water aquifers all over the world and they rarely get loose and cause problems within the USA.  If that was the case there wouldn't be a well anywhere in Oklahoma that would be drinkable.

 

I just can't go along with any of this.

[justthefacts]

Hello luigi,

Interesting observation of our Lords reflection and warnings of the end times as recorded in the great book of Matthew chapter 24.

 Indeed the question was asked by the disciples:

 

Mat 24:3

     as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 

Our Lord begin to reveal and explain unto them all that shall take place upon the the earth and in the world of men up until His return.

 

He had to go into much detail because He Himself had not yet been crusified and returned to the Heavenly Father, so the disciples who at this time had no idea of what laid ahead at Jerusalem could only listen in astonishment and possible bewilderment to the teachings of the Lord as He answered their inquiry.

 

Yes, much of His teaching's in chapter 24 {as well as Mark chapter 13 and Luke chapter 21}  have to do with the natural order as God created it to be in Genesis chapter 1 pertaining to the earth and mankind, but He is also teaching of the Spiritual events as well pertaining to the Church leading up to the coming of the antichrist and his reign over them.

 

This is not to be overlooked and must be understood by His brethren if they are to withstand the times and events at the end.

 

The Lord admonishes His diciples to be viglant and remain alert so as not to be overcome by the events of those days.

 

Now that which we must recognize and realize today is that "We are" the very disciples the Lord is theaching in these three chapters {Matt 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21}  upon whom all these things shall come.

 

The end generation.

 

Observing and knowing the signs as they occur upon the earth is important as you have pointed out, but knowing and recognizing that which shall come upon the Church durring thses time of testing before the return of the true Lord is imparitive.

Mat 24:43

      But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

 

The disciple {Watchman} must know what to watch for or their efforts are in vain.

 

Mat 24:38

     For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

 

{Give great thought to that statement}

 

When it happens, it happens, but our Lord did not leave us without knowledge for as it is written:

 

Mar 13:32

     But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

 

However, He did give us the season {Harvest} and the events to watch for if we have eyes to see and ears to hear.

 

2Ti 2:15

    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2Ti 2:16

    But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness

 

A good platform of study luigi.

 

Thanks and God bless

 

 

JTF

 

Edited August 27, 2019 by justthefacts

[Who me]

2 hours ago, luigi said:

In the Olivets, the Lord describes signs in the heavens, the earth, and the seas occurring during the end of the current age (Luke 21:25).
Men's hearts will fail them due to their perceiving that the environment is only going to get worse (Luke 21:26).
To me these signs appear like what is currently transpiring in the environment due to global warming, which is picking up speed, and according to the majority consensus will become significantly more severe.
The alternative perspective among many religious organizations is that the signs will be supernatural in nature.
So here is the question: If the current distress of nations with perplexity is due to increase as the environment continues to deteriorate as the scientific consensus claims; how then will we know the difference between any supposed supernatural signs in the heavens, the earth, and the sea, from those the scientific consensus already recognizes will occur due to mankind's destruction of the environment?

Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

 

As always a verse without a context is a pretext.

 

Luke 21:1-36 covers the destruction of the temple and the return of Jesus. There is one truely terifing sight in v27 when Jesus returns and that will be the sight of him returning in his full glory, together with his angels and people.

 

[luigi]

9 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

yes. It's all cycles. In all seriousness, watch the Tony Heller videos. He covers all that stuff. It was a LOT warmer in the 1930's and a lot colder in the early 1970's. Etc.

He actually uses and shows old newspaper clippings from a hundred years ago and farther back. It's fascinating stuff. 

Your perspective where there is no problem with the weather due to mankind, in effect denies Revelation 9:20 which attributes the environmental catastrophes in Revelation 8 to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 

[luigi]

11 minutes ago, lovethelord said:

Hi Luigi,

People would recognize the worse was to come because we are told in verse:

• Luke 21:26, "people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world.

For instance, we had a earthquake in Southern California at a magnitude of 6.4 I know many people were frightened and thinking what was going to happen next.  I heard a lot of "Is the big one coming now" and people running to Costco to get supplies of water.  If this happened for an earthquake of this size, can you imagine how people would react seeing the skies, water and other cosmic activity visibly changing? I imagine people would be very frightened at the unexplained phenomenon.

So then the original question arises: If people see the skies, water, and other cosmic activity changing; how then are we to differentiate these supposedly supernatural activities from the ones the scientific consensus tell us are coming, and which look strikingly similar?

[Still Alive]

6 minutes ago, luigi said:

Your perspective where there is no problem with the weather due to mankind, in effect denies Revelation 9:20 which attributes the environmental catastrophes in Revelation 8 to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 

You're clutching at straws there, my man. I understand the scripture. I just disagree with your interpretation. There is no evidence of Anthropogenic Climate Change (ACC). Yes, man has an impact on climate, in the same way that a mouse in the corner of a high school indoor basketball court has an impact on the temperature of the room. But in both instances, the HVAC has been designed to be more than capable of handling it. 

[justthefacts]

Please take note as pertaining to the earth in these times:

 

Gen 8:21 - And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Gen 8:22 - While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

 

Th earth is where Gods throne {Throne of David} is going to be for eternity.

 

He will not allow mankind to destroy it.

 

God Bless

 

jtf

[luigi]

16 minutes ago, other one said:

   if you research the little ice age you will discover that one of the cooler times started about 1850 and lasted through most of the rest of the 1800's....   so you could easily think that you are not warming up, but just returning to normal.  But if one wants to push global warming one would pick the cool non normal time to compare it to.

Yes, interglacial events as we are currently in last for approximately 12,000 years, and temperatures should have started to cool about now, and not increase as they have been doing. I wonder if the industrial revolution had not commenced by this time, if the little ice age starting in 1850 would still be with us, and even colder now?

[lovethelord]

5 minutes ago, luigi said:

o then the original question arises: If people see the skies, water, and other cosmic activity changing; how then are we to differentiate these supposedly supernatural activities from the ones the scientific consensus tell us are coming, and which look strikingly similar?

Hi Luigi,

I answered this with my first post. God will make it very clear that it is His hand that is causing the cosmic and ocean changes and not mans.

[luigi]

19 minutes ago, justthefacts said:

Hello luigi,

Interesting observation of our Lords reflection and warnings of the end times as recorded in the great book of Matthew chapter 24.

 Indeed the question was asked by the disciples:

 

Mat 24:3

     as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 

Our Lord begin to reveal and explain unto them all that shall take place upon the the earth and in the world of men up until His return.

 

He had to go into much detail because He Himself had not yet been crusified and returned to the Heavenly Father, so the disciples who at this time had no idea of what laid ahead at Jerusalem could only listen in astonishment and possible bewilderment to the teachings of the Lord as He answered their inquiry.

 

Yes, much of His teaching's in chapter 24 {as well as Mark chapter 13 and Luke chapter 21}  have to do with the natural order as God created it to be in Genesis chapter 1 pertaining to the earth and mankind, but He is also teaching of the Spiritual events as well pertaining to the Church leading up to the coming of the antichrist and his reign over them.

 

This is not to be overlooked and must be understood by His brethren if they are to withstand the times and events at the end.

 

The Lord admonishes His diciples to be viglant and remain alert so as not to be overcome by the events of those days.

 

Now that which we must recognize and realize today is that "We are" the very disciples the Lord is theaching in these three chapters {Matt 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21}  upon whom all these things shall come.

 

The end generation.

 

Observing and knowing the signs as they occur upon the earth is important as you have pointed out, but knowing and recognizing that which shall come upon the Church durring thses time of testing before the return of the true Lord is imparitive.

Mat 24:43

      But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

 

The disciple {Watchman} must know what to watch for or their efforts are in vain.

 

Mat 24:38

     For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

 

{Give great thought to that statement}

 

When it happens, it happens, but our Lord did not leave us without knowledge for as it is written:

 

Mar 13:32

     But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

 

However, He did give us the season {Harvest} and the events to watch for if we have eyes to see and ears to hear.

 

2Ti 2:15

    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2Ti 2:16

    But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness

 

A good platform of study luigi.

 

Thanks and God bless

 

 

JTF

 

Hello justthefacts,

In Daniel 12:4 & 9, Daniel inquires into the meaning of the visions shown him in chapters 11 & 12, and is told to seal the book and go his way, that the words were sealed until the end times, when they would then be unsealed and with our understanding increasing. If you believe we are now in these end times, our knowledge of these end time events should then now be increasing.