Al Baghdadi.

[other one]

9 minutes ago, Diaste said:

And even worse if he's resurrected, empowered, and the 7 largest ISIS groups give their bayat to him and help take over three Muslim countries.

if he's resurrected he'll take over a lot more than three Muslim countries....

[other one]

23 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

I don't think he fits the bill for being the "guy".

Not from my understanding of Daniel. I see that first, the Ram (Iran) charges out to the north, west and south. They are defeated by the Goat (Yavan, eastern region of Turkey) in a counter-attack. The little-horn comes up from this war, and from the region of eastern Turkey. But this is a WHOLE different topic. Maybe I'll do a post on this soon. 

they would declare him the 12th imam and bring the Shia's and Sunni's together and bring a billion and a half people together as one....   All the middle east, most of Asia and a good part of Africa.... all joined to that one person.

I don't see it in the Bible so I'm pretty sure he's dead and will stay dead till judgement day.

[Marilyn C]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

Ever so briefly:

Islam is the Iron kingdom of Dan 2.

The leader of this kingdom is empowered by the dragon after resurrection from a deadly head wound, as in Rev 13.

This leader must also be the 8th and of the previous 7 as in Rev 17.

Baghdadi has been described in an article in New Republic in just this way by his now deceased top cleric, Turk Bin Ali.

Now Baghdadi has suffered death and a beheading.

This is a strictly literal rendering. 

I'm not saying the beast is Baghdadi, but whomever it is must fit the criteria mentioned above.

Hi Diaste,

I do agree that the Global leader will be an Islamic leader, however you have to remember what God`s word says.

`And in his place shall arise a vile person, to whom they will not give the honour of royalty; but he shall come in PEACEABLY, and seize the kingdom by INTRIGUE` (Dan. 11: 21)

Marilyn.

[OneLight]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

Yes. As well as the fourth beast in Dan 7, the little horn in Dan 8 and the man of sin in 2 Thess 2. All the same beast.

Then they are going to have a real problem as this person blew himself into many little pieces, not just decapitated or a head wound.  There ain't no fixing him.

[Diaste]

9 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

I don't think he fits the bill for being the "guy".

Not from my understanding of Daniel. I see that first, the Ram (Iran) charges out to the north, west and south. They are defeated by the Goat (Yavan, eastern region of Turkey) in a counter-attack. The little-horn comes up from this war, and from the region of eastern Turkey. But this is a WHOLE different topic. Maybe I'll do a post on this soon. 

I'd be interested in that.

 

[Diaste]

8 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Diaste,

I do agree that the Global leader will be an Islamic leader, however you have to remember what God`s word says.

`And in his place shall arise a vile person, to whom they will not give the honour of royalty; but he shall come in PEACEABLY, and seize the kingdom by INTRIGUE` (Dan. 11: 21)

Marilyn.

Yes. But the kingdom in question here refers to Israel and Jerusalem. 

And none but a few gave Baghdadi the honor of the royal title he claimed. 

And it's not a stretch to think this person would be violent but still use deceit and flattery to overcome Israel, as the scripture says, "We have made a pact with death and with hell we are at agreement..."

[Diaste]

7 hours ago, OneLight said:

Then they are going to have a real problem as this person blew himself into many little pieces, not just decapitated or a head wound.  There ain't no fixing him.

Not really. God made man from dust and breathed life into him. 

God created the earth by a spoken word.

Small thing this as nothing is impossible with the Almighty. If this is the way it's going to go.

And what of the head wound? Beheading is called such as it's to the head, it's not called de-bodying. Then also the deadly head wound occurred to the head of the beast's country, organization, army, kingdom, whatever we call it. Not saying it's here and now, but one can hope.

[Diaste]

9 hours ago, other one said:

if he's resurrected he'll take over a lot more than three Muslim countries....

Yes.

But initially three fall and the other 7 pledge loyalty. And it may not be, probably won't be, existing countries based on:

"The beast that was, and now is not, is an eighth king, who belongs to the other seven and is going into destruction. The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive one hour of authority as kings, along with the beast. These kings have one purpose: to yield their power and authority to the beast."

These ten only receive authority from the beast, for the beast and only exist to yield their kingdoms to the beast. 

There are several ISIS groups which have given bayat to the main group in the Middle East but as yet have no power or authority in the context of world domination nor over the focal point of eschatology, Jerusalem.

 

 

[other one]

I see this as way beyond reality...   I really have nothing more to add.

[OneLight]

10 hours ago, Diaste said:

Not really. God made man from dust and breathed life into him. 

God created the earth by a spoken word.

Small thing this as nothing is impossible with the Almighty. If this is the way it's going to go.

And what of the head wound? Beheading is called such as it's to the head, it's not called de-bodying. Then also the deadly head wound occurred to the head of the beast's country, organization, army, kingdom, whatever we call it. Not saying it's here and now, but one can hope.

The Beast Is Not God ... period.  But, these past few years I have seen people proclaim some very weird stuff as truth.

By the way, a suicide vest does much more than just a head wound.

Edited October 29, 2019 by OneLight