Do you think people of other faiths will be in heaven

[frienduff thaylorde]

10 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

Repentance means we stop sinning. Of course, we need God's guidance to accomplish that, I believe.

yes ,  we have the SPIRIT as our guide .    let us follow the Spirit and we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh .     and if any does errr the pattern is confess and forsake . 

[johnthebaptist]

On 1/29/2020 at 9:27 AM, Blood Bought 1953 said:

How’s that “Perfection” thing working for you.....how’s your “ thought life?”........How about those “ Sins Of Omission”—- fed and clothed and housed any strangers lately?” Please, no fibbing.....you are talking to fellow human- beings here.We KNOW that ALL OF US have Secret Thoughts That  would shame Hell .....you are NOT dealing with a bunch of blind fools here.....

The Lord gave us commandments to follow. The Pharisees then multiplied those commandments. Stick to the Lord's commandments.

[frienduff thaylorde]

On 1/29/2020 at 8:26 AM, Margo1945 said:

there are "some" here who claim to be BAC and living as you say but show NO evidence whatsoever of such .. God CAN and WILL ONLY work in anyone IF said person SUBMITS to His doing so .. He will not force Himself in ANY Way on anyone .. such persons WILL NOT be in SIN-FREE Heaven unless they repent aka "change their hearts and ways back to God and His Will and OBEY such"

This response must be answered . 

Who CLAIM to be . 

Okay ,    to all that has breath ,   CLAIM TO BE .

Many claim this , many claim that .   BUT HOW do we know in any situation that what they claim is true .

an example ,  I can CLAIM to be a billionaire 

I can claim to feed millions 

I can claim this or that ,   but how does one know its true .     THE EVIDENCE will prove whether it is true . 

For example if I claim to be billionaire but have little money ,   WHOOOPS I am a liar .   no matter how well I decked it out to be .

IF the FRUITS DONT SHOW EVIDENCE ,   THEN THEY KNOW NOT JESUS .      LET it be said once , let it be said twice and let it be said a third time .

IF the fruits don't align with the FRUIT of the SPIRIT ,  then its all mouth talk ,   I DONT KNOW HIM PEROID and if I don't know HIM 

I AINT SAVED .   PEROID .

I know that appears sharp and black and white .  YET its truth .

I can Claim to LOVE JESUS ,  I can claim to be HIS ,  I can claim anything ,   BUT IF THE PROOF of my words , the proof of my LOVE ,  does not have action ,  ITS ALL DEAD .

I can claim to love JESUS , I can claim to follow HIM ,  BUT IF I FOLLOW HIM NOT AND OBEY HIM NOT ,   I AM NOT HIS .     YE SHALL KNOW , AS IN KNOW THEM BY THIER FRUITS .

[Blood Bought 1953]

1 hour ago, johnthebaptist said:

The Lord gave us commandments to follow. The Pharisees then multiplied those commandments. Stick to the Lord's commandments.

 

You nor anybody else can even obey the first and most important Commandment. Who do you think you are kidding? Nobody except Jesus “loves God with ALL their heart, ALL their soul and ALL of their mind”. Read the first three or four chapters of Romans and discover why God gave out out a LAW that was impossible to keep. It was given to “ shut the mouths” of this who foolish thought they could keep it to be Justified before a Holy God.It was given to show you the need for Grace and the need for a Savior. “ If one could keep the Laws Of God—- Jesus suffered for nothing” Follow the Will Of God— “shut up” about all delusions that you have in thinking you can be “ good enough” by keeping the Law and go with the New and Better Covenant this side of the Cross.....Grace.

I am a “ free man in Christ”. A free man can do whatever they want, right? Here is what you fail to understand.I live  a life that pleases God.The exact second I discovered I could do whatever I wanted to do and not lose my Salvation was also the very exact second that I discovered that all I wanted to do was to live a life that pleased God .I try to please God mainly for selfish reasons.....when I please God, it turns out to be very good for me.He knew that all along. I used to be ignorant of this Truth.Not any more.

 

[johnthebaptist]

2 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

You nor anybody else can even obey the first and most important Commandment. Who do you think you are kidding? Nobody except Jesus “loves God with ALL their heart, ALL their soul and ALL of their mind”. Read the first three or four chapters of Romans and discover why God gave out out a LAW that was impossible to keep. It was given to “ shut the mouths” of this who foolish thought they could keep it to be Justified before a Holy God.It was given to show you the need for Grace and the need for a Savior. “ If one could keep the Laws Of God—- Jesus suffered for nothing” Follow the Will Of God— “shut up” about all delusions that you have in thinking you can be “ good enough” by keeping the Law and go with the New and Better Covenant this side of the Cross.....Grace.

I am a “ free man in Christ”. A free man can do whatever they want, right? Here is what you fail to understand.I live  a life that pleases God.The exact second I discovered I could do whatever I wanted to do and not lose my Salvation was also the very exact second that I discovered that all I wanted to do was to live a life that pleased God .I try to please God mainly for selfish reasons.....when I please God, it turns out to be very good for me.He knew that all along. I used to be ignorant of this Truth.Not any more.

 

The Lord gave us commandments to obey. You can obey them or not. 

[Omegaman 3.0]

2 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

If one could keep the Laws Of God—- Jesus suffered for nothing” Follow the Will Of God— “shut up” about all delusions that you have in thinking you can be “ good enough” by keeping the Law and go with the New and Better Covenant this side of the Cross.....Grace.

I am not at all fond of the "shut up" remark there BB, and I almost did not approve your post because of it. If there is a next time, it won't be approved.

Having said that, one thing you were saying in that post, I will restate in different words.

Now that I have been born again, and a new creature with a changed heart, I am especially grateful that God has saved me by His grace alone. If I thought that I had to jump through hoops in life to keep God from taking back what He gave me, I would have less to be thankful for. That would, for all intents and purposes, put me right back under the law, that no one can keep except Jesus Himself. As you pointed out, not one here even keeps the first commandment, if they did, they would never sin in the first place, and would have nothing to be forgiven of or to confess or to repent of. The moment one sins, one has proven that they are not loving God with everything they have, that is so obvious, it should not have to be stated.

What is wonderful about our freedom in Christ is as you said, you can do whatever you want. What people seem to misunderstand, is that that does not mean we can sin if we want to, it means that as born from above believers, what we want is to be holy, sinless, righteous, Christlike, doing His will, obeying Him, doing good, loving others, loving God, manifesting the fruit of the Spirit etc.

That is what our new nature does. Until our sanctification is complete at His second coming, we still have that old nature also, trying to hang on and drag us back in our walk. Praise be to God, that He has counteracted that, by paying for all of our sins on the cross, so that we are forgiven and have Jesus own righteousness, transferred to our account. Now, we do not avoid sin out of fear of damnation, we avoid sin because we want to please God and because we love Him, and because having the mind of Christ, we strive to do what Christ would do in our situations, resist temptation, choose good. I don't know why that is hard for people to understand, and it is horrible, that there are some who in ignorance, think that those of us who understand eternal security, want to use it as an opportunity to sin and get away with it.

If there is a person, who claims to be born again Christian, and wants to use that status to sin freely, I suggest that such a person is likely not born again in the first place, they lack the evidences and are still of the flesh, not the Spirit. They lack the new nature and should rightly be afraid of their eternity, as they are likely not wheat, but merely tares.

The gospel of grace is where it is at, but that is not some notion that grace means sin as you please. That is not the gospel, that is a distortion that leads to doom. On the other hand, there is no gospel of works, that is just repackaged legalism.

[TheBlade]

Hay Amigo42. Do I believe other faiths will be in heaven. Duh yes. ..wait..did you see that? Some carts fell over just playing. Jesus said no one comes to the Father but by Him. Christ is the only door in. Many will try to get in but wont. This is written. It is also written that if you were blind you would have no sin. You say you see your sin remains. There have been are millions that have never heard of Jesus. The story about a Jewish man living in NY in the year 2000 that never once heard about Jesus. That man older man telling his story how Christ found him. Would he have died before Christ found him.. would he be lost? Everyone will get a choice.

I can't change His word. I cannot find "if you don't love me you will not are not saved".  Believe and love are the same? John 3 16 17 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.."Rom 10 9-10  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

I am not saved by any work I do. And we should know that fruit can not always be seen. And we are not the judge in this at all. We have no say what so ever about others. You believe you should obey praise God you best do that. But no one can tell me I must obey but Him. And He has never once said that to me. Yet if I truly LOVE HIM.. I will keep His words. Its always been a loving free choice. See this branch? Can't do anything by myself. Everything that comes out of me, shines has to always come from that VINE 1st. I am free...yet all I desire to do is please Him. To die to me so He lives shines.. never me.

We keep trying to work out others salvation Have faith.. Jesus is the best one to do this. He does not need us.. He choose to use us. What He has started in each of us.. He WILL not maybe not might but WILL finish. Can He lie?

 

 

[R. Hartono]

On 1/28/2020 at 8:07 PM, Amigo42 said:

Do you all think people who were good people in life and lived up the knowledge of God they had will be heaven even if they didn't explicitly accept Jesus?  For example, Muslims, Hindus, etc.  Of course, I believe that all people must have Jesus, but others believe that God will give some sort of second chance.

If they refuse Jesus salvation they wont be saved unless they never hear the Gospel Salvation then they will b judged at the Great White Throne of Revelation 20 .

[Blood Bought 1953]

3 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

I am not at all fond of the "shut up" remark there BB, and I almost did not approve your post because of it. If there is a next time, it won't be approved.

Having said that, one thing you were saying in that post, I will restate in different words.

Now that I have been born again, and a new creature with a changed heart, I am especially grateful that God has saved me by His grace alone. If I thought that I had to jump through hoops in life to keep God from taking back what He gave me, I would have less to be thankful for. That would, for all intents and purposes, put me right back under the law, that no one can keep except Jesus Himself. As you pointed out, not one here even keeps the first commandment, if they did, they would never sin in the first place, and would have nothing to be forgiven of or to confess or to repent of. The moment one sins, one has proven that they are not loving God with everything they have, that is so obvious, it should not have to be stated.

What is wonderful about our freedom in Christ is as you said, you can do whatever you want. What people seem to misunderstand, is that that does not mean we can sin if we want to, it means that as born from above believers, what we want is to be holy, sinless, righteous, Christlike, doing His will, obeying Him, doing good, loving others, loving God, manifesting the fruit of the Spirit etc.

That is what our new nature does. Until our sanctification is complete at His second coming, we still have that old nature also, trying to hang on and drag us back in our walk. Praise be to God, that He has counteracted that, by paying for all of our sins on the cross, so that we are forgiven and have Jesus own righteousness, transferred to our account. Now, we do not avoid sin out of fear of damnation, we avoid sin because we want to please God and because we love Him, and because having the mind of Christ, we strive to do what Christ would do in our situations, resist temptation, choose good. I don't know why that is hard for people to understand, and it is horrible, that there are some who in ignorance, think that those of us who understand eternal security, want to use it as an opportunity to sin and get away with it.

If there is a person, who claims to be born again Christian, and wants to use that status to sin freely, I suggest that such a person is likely not born again in the first place, they lack the evidences and are still of the flesh, not the Spirit. They lack the new nature and should rightly be afraid of their eternity, as they are likely not wheat, but merely tares.

The gospel of grace is where it is at, but that is not some notion that grace means sin as you please. That is not the gospel, that is a distortion that leads to doom. On the other hand, there is no gospel of works, that is just repackaged legalism.

 

The gospel of grace is where it is at, but that is not some notion that grace means sin as you please.

 

I have never claimed that.....never will. If I ever do, please ban me from this site.And May I rot in Hell .

The Bible says The Law was given “ to close the mouths” of those who think they can keep it.To me, that’s Just a polite way to say “ shut up”—- that is why I used those words . I said to “shut up about delusions”.It is “ delusional” and dangerous and an insult to the Shed Blood Of Christ to add Law-Keeping to the Finished Work Of The Cross.It is Leaven.Paul got very angry with those that spread Leaven. “ CAST OUT the Bondwoman and her son” was Paul’s solution to those that tried to mix Law with Grace. That “ Bondwoman” was Hagar , the symbol for Legalism in Paul’s analogy found in Galations.Paul wanted the spreaders of a Works Salvation thrown out of the Churches he founded.That  is being a tad harsher than I was.Paul later had to lament to Timothy that “ ALL have deserted me”.Apparently , the Legalists were allowed to co-exist with True Believers, and the Gospel suffered because of it.Legalists prattle on here every day, and they appear to be safer than those that try to promote RESTING in the Gospel Of Pure Grace and Nothing But The Blood for Salvation.....I would hate to see them “ rule the day” here at Worthy.I try to squash Legalism where ever it rears it’s ugly head.Paul warned that those who stood for the The True Gospel Of Grace would be attacked...I am convinced that he was on to something .People need to believe the songs  that they sing.... “ without ONE PLEA——except that Thy Blood was Shed for me.” That”s all we are left with. NOTHING. Don’t tell me about you imaginary ability to “ keep the Law” to justify oneself before God.Tell me about what CHRIST accomplished FOR us and then “ close up your mouth” about the rest. It’s Jesus plus Nothing!

 

 

Edited January 31, 2020 by Blood Bought 1953

[frienduff thaylorde]

On 1/29/2020 at 11:27 AM, Blood Bought 1953 said:

How’s that “Perfection” thing working for you.....how’s your “ thought life?”........How about those “ Sins Of Omission”—- fed and clothed and housed any strangers lately?” Please, no fibbing.....you are talking to fellow human- beings here.We KNOW that ALL OF US have Secret Thoughts That  would shame Hell .....you are NOT dealing with a bunch of blind fools here.....

By the power of the RISEN SAVOIR ,    

let us bring those thoughts captive to the Obediance of JESUS CHRIST .

BB , start pointing to the SOLUTION , to the POWER .   WE have a way out of every temptation ,  we have a great high priest in the heavens who is able to succor us through any temptation .

WE GOTTA start sounding like those apostels did .     And if one does err , my advice is REPENT asap .     Let all be quick to keep the original pattern of what JESUS taught and later the apostels 

would teach , for they changed not nor contradicted a word JESUS had taught ,   let all be quick to point to How JESUS and the apostles would say and do .