Does Paul tells us WHEN the rapture will come?

[The Light]

18 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

In other words, a third part of the people of God will be RAPTURED by the false messiah, the son of perdition, a former cherub, the HEAD of Antichrist's Empire, which will be established very soon in the planet Earth together the Beast pof sea whoi will RULE the FIRST PROPHETIC period of 42 months(REVELATION 13:V.5), 

No, that's not what I said at all. This is something that you said, and of course it's not close to what will happen.

[The Light]

21 hours ago, iamlamad said:

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As usual, you are mistaken on every point. 

Says a man that thinks that the seals are opened. When those seals are opened the Church will have already been raptured to heaven, and the world will be in chaos. Then the 7th king will go forth conquering and to conquer, and there will be wars, famines and pestilence like the world has never seen. Then you will understand that the seals are not currently open. I suspect you will be in heaven at that point.

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 "peace and safety" is Paul writing about the pretrib rapture.  That is before the trib, before the 70th week, not after. Error 1

The only reason what you say makes sense to you is because is because you don't understand that there is the difference between the tribulation (the 70th week of Daniel, which is the time of JACOBS trouble and the wrath of God). Certainly no fault of your own. That is what is commonly taught by those that believe in a pretrib rapture. It makes sense to those that don't realize that the 70th week of Daniel is about the 12 tribes. It is about the fact that part of Israel will have it's blindness removed when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. God will open their eyes and He will keep His promise to His people.

John 10

¹⁶ And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

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 Error #4  Wrath begins at the 6th seal before the book gets opened to reveal the 70th week.

I certainly understand why you would think that. Do you really think that God's people are appointed to wrath? You really won't understand the book of Revelation until you understand that the coming of Jesus in Matt 24 is the same coming that you see in Rev 6 and Rev 14. That's means you need to accept the FACT that the moon turns as blood in a lunar eclipse. The moon is also darkened in a lunar eclipse. Both events happen. You can look at any video of a lunar eclipse to get the FACTS.

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The Church is already in heaven before the 7 years before wrath begins.  I was mistaken, you made one correct point. Yes, the rapture will be before the 7 years and before wrath. The entire 7 years WILL BE wrath. 

Sorry, that would be wrong. None of Gods people are appointed to wrath.

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Hint: the days of GT Jesus spoke of will come AFTER the abomination. We see the people fleeing that abomination in 12:6.

That's correct. However, the abomination of desolation happens 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is taken away, EXACTLY like God says. That means the abomination of desolation occurs on day 2475. You have to force the abomination of desolation to occur on day 1260, rejecting what the Word of God says.

Dan 12

¹¹ And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

But you can't accept the truth of the Word of God because you can't understand how the truth fits your timeline. You reject what God says because of a lack of understanding. Why not put things EXACTLY where God says they go. You reject the FACT and TRUTH of God's word. Why not trust what God says and figure out where your timeline is wrong?

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We see the reason for the days of GT in chapter 13, and God's warning about those reasons in chapter 14,

EXACTLY correct.

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showing is that the real days of GT will not start until late in chapter 14

EXACTLY correct. And then what happens.

Rev 14

¹⁴ And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

¹⁵ And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

¹⁶ And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

¹⁷ And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

¹⁸ And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

¹⁹ And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

What happens? We see, Jesus comes in the clouds (not to the earth) and there is a gathering of His people. Others are cast into the wrath of God. THIS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SEE IN REV 6. Jesus comes and the wrath of God is getting ready to start.

Rev 6

¹² And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

¹³ And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

¹⁴ And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

¹⁵ And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

¹⁶ And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

¹⁷ For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

This is also the same coming that we see in Matt 24

Matt 24

²⁹ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

So in Matt 24 do you see the armies of heaven return to earth and Armageddon? Do you see the kingdom of God set up on earth? No you see this.

Matt 24

⁴⁰ Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

⁴¹ Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

⁴² Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Accept what the scripture says, not what you want it to say or not what you need it to say so you can fit things in your timeline. What does it say. It says there will be a rapture in Matt 24. In Rev 7 we see the great multitude from this gathering. In Rev 14 we see the righteous gathered to the clouds and the wrath of God beginning for those on the earth.

The things that you said about we can see the great tribulation in Rev 14 is correct. So if we can see the wrath of God getting ready to begin in Rev 6 how do we get to the great tribulation in Rev 14. Does that mean that the great tribulation occurs during the wrath of God? No, the great tribulation does not occur during the wrath of God. How can we conclude that? Because we can see the wrath of God ending with the 7th trump.

Rev 10

⁷ But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Rev 11

¹⁵ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

So we can see that the mystery of God is finished at the 7th trump. We can see that Jesus has returned and the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our God. Why can't we see the coming of Jesus in the trumpets, but only the results of His coming.

Rev 11

⁴ And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

You don't see Jesus coming because the things of the 7 thunders are sealed. Again, we do see the results that prove He came when the 7th trumpet sounds.

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. This is proved by the beheaded beginning to show up in heaven in chapter 15. 

EXACTLY correct. However, who is gathered from the earth.

Rev 15

³ And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

It is the 12 tribes that are gathered from the earth (not the nation of Israel, their blindness is not removed yet) The nation of Israel goes through the wrath of God in a place of protection. (none of Gods people are appointed to wrath.)

After this we see the wrath of God begin with the 1st vial.

 

Edited April 21, 2020 by The Light

[The Light]

On 4/21/2020 at 11:36 PM, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

What prevails is the Word of God. Revelation 12:3-5

3 ... and behold a great red Dragon - that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world - having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his TAIL drew -attracted, pulled- the third part of the stars -a third part of God's people, Christians or believers- of heaven, and did cast them to the earth. 

See, be sure that the Christians or believers that are not within Revelation 12:v.7, be sure that they will be attracted by the TAIL of the red Dragon. There's no way to be neutral.

4   AGAIN: Be sure that the Christians or believers that are not within Revelation 12:v.7, be sure that they will be attracted by the TAIL of the red Dragon. There's no way to be neutral.

Brother this is not talking about a third part of God's people, Christians or believers. It is talking about 1/3 part of the stars of heaven. This is referring to the fallen angels.

Rev 12

³ And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

⁴ And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

[Leonardo Von]

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Does Paul tells us WHEN the rapture will come?

No, he tells us only signs that allows to recognize that Jesus’ coming is close.