Jesus Teachings Don't Apply to Us Gentiles

[*Zion*]

10 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

Jesus Teachings Don't Apply to Us Gentiles

Well, I suppose the parables fall into that category? Guess that takes a serious blow to how meaningful The Good Samaritan and The Prodigal Son was to me at one time. Hmm... Wonder if that also makes the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John also not applicable to us either. I'm just a little disappointed to say the least.  

 

That's what this viewpoint asserts, I suppose.  I think it tries to find its basis on the fact that Jesus came for the Jew first and then for the Gentile, as scripture states.  This in by no way means that he did not come at all for the Gentile.  He was sent that NONE should perish but that ALL should be saved, and the scriptures are very clear on this.  

For me this is a non issue except in its obvious error.  Why anyone would entertain it except to impose a false superiority of Jew over Greek (I'm repeating my words from a previous post here) is beyond me.

I agree, it is extremely disappointing that anyone would come up with this, but this desire to create an esoteric position is nothing new what it comes to human nature, I'm afraid.  

[BeauJangles]

6 minutes ago, *Zion* said:

I agree, it is extremely disappointing that anyone would come up with this, but this desire to create an esoteric position is nothing new what it comes to human nature, I'm afraid.  

1. Ecclesiastes 1:9 “The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.” King James Version (KJV) Ecclesiastes 

   Ecclesiastes

   Ecclesiastes is one of 24 books of the Tanakh or Hebrew Bible, where it is classified as one of the Ketuvim. Originally written c. 450–200 BCE, it is also among the canonical Wisdom Books in the Old Testament of most denominations of Christianity. The title Ecclesiastes is a Latin transliteration of the Greek. 

   en.wikipedia.org

   1:9 Context

   Yeah, I noticed that too. 

[Alive]

2 hours ago, *Zion* said:

Then in future, please the lens of clarity.  If I tell you to be careful about what you say to me, you may very well take it the same way. 

Many things are good for me - and if you would have seen my words through the lens of trying to understand something, instead of trying to fan an argument or seeking to bash someone for their point of view just because it doesn't sit well with me - it would be very good for you too.

God bless you, my dear

I am sorry for the confusion and apologize.

[brotherdon]

Some words can have different meanings, it can be negative or positive, depending on the expression the person is using or other ways words get twisted.

Back to the original post, The Almighty has always been the same, never changing. He has always said the same thing, His Word is for everybody.

 ¹³ He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets.Deuteronomy

“Lord, the God of heaven, the great and awesome God, who keeps his covenant of love with those who love him and keep his commandments, ⁶ let your ear be attentive and your eyes open to hear the prayer your servant is praying before you day and night for your servants, the people of Israel. I confess the sins we Israelites, including myself and my father’s family, have committed against you. ⁷ We have acted very wickedly toward you. We have not obeyed the commands, decrees and laws you gave your servant Moses. Nehemiah

¹³ Now all has been heard;
    here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
    for this is the duty of all mankind.
¹⁴ For God will bring every deed into judgment,
    including every hidden thing,
    whether it is good or evil.   Eccleciastes

 

⁴ I prayed to the Lord my God and confessed:

“Lord, the great and awesome God, who keeps his covenant of love with those who love him and keep his commandments,   Daniel

³¹ So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. ³² Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— ³³ even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved. 1Corinthians

²⁸ There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. ²⁹ If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians

[Jedi4Yahweh]

2 hours ago, *Zion* said:

That's what this viewpoint asserts, I suppose.  I think it tries to find its basis on the fact that Jesus came for the Jew first and then for the Gentile, as scripture states.  This in by no way means that he did not come at all for the Gentile.  He was sent that NONE should perish but that ALL should be saved, and the scriptures are very clear on this.  

For me this is a non issue except in its obvious error.  Why anyone would entertain it except to impose a false superiority of Jew over Greek (I'm repeating my words from a previous post here) is beyond me.

I agree, it is extremely disappointing that anyone would come up with this, but this desire to create an esoteric position is nothing new what it comes to human nature, I'm afraid.  

The point of my original post was that some people try to say that the teachings of Jesus do not apply to Gentiles, saying he was under the old covenant and his teaching were old covenant.  Some also say that some of the letters of the apostles aside from Paul was written to Jews only.  Which I made the point that Jesus told all his disciples/apostles to take all the things he taught them to all the nations not just Jews.  So the teachings of Jesus and all the apostles are applicable to all NT believers.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Behold]

17 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

The point of my original post was that some people try to say that the teachings of Jesus do not apply to Gentiles, saying he was under the old covenant and his teaching were old covenant.  Some also say that some of the letters of the apostles aside from Paul was written to Jews only.  Which I made the point that Jesus told all his disciples/apostles to take all the things he taught them to all the nations not just Jews.  So the teachings of Jesus and all the apostles are applicable to all NT believers.

Salvation is a universal offer .....

It was always available "by faith",,,,  Just ask Abraham who lived before the Law was given.. or.  "before Israel was, Abraham existed".

Even the concept of a "blood atonement" was in effect before any of the Law was given by Moses.     Just ask Abel.

God has  his OT "chosen" people, and the OT is a sort of closed system that recorded  Him dealing with them, yet, this didn't preclude non jews from seeking "God".

Since the Cross was raised, we now have a new record, a NT, that is showing us the wide angle view of God thru Christ  =  He's now dealing universally with "all who will come".

During the time of the gentiles, God's chosen are those whom the blood has redeemed.....they are now defined as ..... The "Elect"

When the Grt Trib starts, God will resume dealing with the original chosen.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Behold

[Justin Adams]

It was said of Paul that he first looked for the Jews, then the Gentiles and then the jail...

[kwikphilly]

24 minutes ago, Behold said:

During the time of the gentiles, God's chosen are those whom the blood has redeemed.....they are now defined as ..... The "Elect"

Blessings Brother...

   I guess I am mistaken,the other day I was talking to my husband & I said something about "us/Born Again)" in reference to the"elect" & he said "No honey" the Elect are the Saved Jews,not us.....I don't know why I always thought I am "the Elect",haven't had time to go back & look....what say ye...........?

[Alive]

22 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings Brother...

   I guess I am mistaken,the other day I was talking to my husband & I said something about "us/Born Again)" in reference to the"elect" & he said "No honey" the Elect are the Saved Jews,not us.....I don't know why I always thought I am "the Elect",haven't had time to go back & look....what say ye...........?

Search out these scriptures and the context and the answer should be clear to you. At any rate---it will be fun. Kinda like a Berean.

:-)

Rom. 8:33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.

 

Rom. 11:7   What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

 

Col. 3:12   Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering;

 

1Tim. 5:21   I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality.

 

2Tim. 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

 

Titus 1:1   Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness,

 

1Pet. 1:2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

 

Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

 

1Pet. 2:6 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,

“Behold, I lay in Zion

A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,

And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”

 

1Pet. 5:13   She who is in Babylon, elect together with you, greets you; and so does Mark my son.

 

2John 1   The Elder,

 

To the elect lady and her children, whom I love in truth, and not only I, but also all those who have known the truth,

 

2John 13   The children of your elect sister greet you. Amen.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

22 minutes ago, Alive said:

Search out these scriptures and the context and the answer should be clear to you. At any rate---it will be fun. Kinda like a Berean.

:-)

Rom. 8:33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.

 

Rom. 11:7   What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

 

Col. 3:12   Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering;

 

1Tim. 5:21   I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality.

 

2Tim. 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

 

Titus 1:1   Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness,

 

1Pet. 1:2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

 

Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

 

1Pet. 2:6 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,

“Behold, I lay in Zion

A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,

And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”

 

1Pet. 5:13   She who is in Babylon, elect together with you, greets you; and so does Mark my son.

 

2John 1   The Elder,

 

To the elect lady and her children, whom I love in truth, and not only I, but also all those who have known the truth,

 

2John 13   The children of your elect sister greet you. Amen.

Anybody that God has chosen for salvation is considered his Elect including Gentiles.  Paul writing to Gentiles called them 'the elect'.

Col 3:11-12 KJV - Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, long-suffering;

Elect means chosen by God.  

1Pe 2:9 ESV - But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

The word 'chosen' is the same greek work eklektos for 'elect'.

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh