An Awkward Moment in the Pre-tribulationists’ Honeymoon...

[Omegaman 3.0]

16 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

You need to note the foolish virgins DID NOT scream before the wise ones are taken and what this means to you.

I am not sure it that is a question or an answer, in either case, I have no idea what you are attempting to say. 

[The Light]

3 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi The Light,

So let`s have a closer look -

` When the Son of Man comes in His glory and ALL THE HOLY ANGELS WITH HIM, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE GATHERED BEFORE HIM, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.` (Matt. 25: 31 - 33)

Hi Marilyn,

So lets get out the microscope -

You have jumped from the coming of Jesus, for the gathering from heaven earth in Matt 24 to the separation of the sheep and goats on earth in Matt 25. Not the same event.

The gathering from heaven and earth occurs immediately after the tribulation of those days, but BEFORE the wrath of God begins.

Matt 24

³¹ And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13

²⁷ And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

The nations that are gathered before Him in Matt 25 are those that are alive after He returns from heaven with His armies. This event occurs at the END OF WRATH. They are those that are alive after Armageddon. The sheep go into the millennial kingdom the goats go to destruction.

Matt 25

³² And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

³³ And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Look how the sheep are judged. They are chosen and deemed righteous based on works to go into the millennial kingdom. They are not chosen based on faith. That's because those of faith will have been raptured before the wrath of God begins. Secondly, the sheep and goats already saw Jesus in the clouds at His coming for the gathering from heaven and earth. They will be well aware that He is real. Whereas our requirement is to believe what we have not seen.

Matt 25

³⁵ For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

³⁶ Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

³⁷ Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

³⁸ When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

³⁹ Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

⁴⁰ And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

 

Edited May 5, 2020 by The Light

[The Light]

3 hours ago, simplejeff said:

For starters,  read the account of Jesus on the road to Emmaus with the two men who thought Jesus was still dead.

 

From TORAH, PROPHETS, and PSALMS,   JESUS REVEALED much about Himself to them from the SCRIPTURES, as Jesus' Father Directed Jesus to do.

Luke 24

⁴⁵ Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

[Marilyn C]

'When the Son of Man COMES......'

[Revelation Man]

14 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Rev Man,

So let`s look at what you have said.

Marriage of the Lamb. The title of the Lord, `Lamb,` relates to Israel`s sacrifices. (John 1: 29)

It refers to the whole worlds Sacrificial purge. Not just Israels, else we Gentiles would not be cleansed by that blood.

14 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Wife - already married, Israel has been the wife of God. (Isa. 54)

 

God the Father Married Israel, Jesus the Redeemer will Marry his Bride in Heaven just as Rev. 19 states.  There were TWO BRIDES for Jacob. Rachel the preferred Bride and Leah. 

14 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Made herself ready, righteous acts of the saints. (Rev. 19: 8) Israel had to do righteous acts. (Heb. 11: 23)

She made herself ready by accepting the Blood and then by dying, we can't be with the Lord always until after we die. 

 

I Replied to these, but to be honest, I did not see any rebut of what I stated. The Church is seen in Heaven in Rev. chapters 4 and 5, BEFORE the Seals are opened. The facts are the facts, the Church is in Heaven and returns with Jesus, the Angels will of course come with Jesus, both things are true. Why people can't see that Israel for 1500 years were the focus of God, they brought/birthed the Lamb of God Jesus, then he fulfilled the Three Feasts under Israel. The Passover, the First-fruits and the Unleavened Bread. 

We are now in the Church Age led by the Gentiles after God forsook Israel for their continual sin and for rejecting Jesus. God {SEE Romans chapters 9-11} took the Mantle away from Israel and gave it unto the Gentiles, that Mantle is the deliverance of mankind from sins via the Love of God via the Blood of His Son that was shed for all mankind. Once the Harvest is over {Church age of the Gentiles} then the Harvest of course ENDS, meaning the Harvesters {Churches} job is done, of course. We are thus not needed on earth anymore, why would we stay on earth ? That actually just doesn't make any sense at all. God is going to supernaturally protect the 1/3 of the Jews who repent in Israel, in a place called Petra/Bozrah. He doesn't have to do that with the Church because our mission is over, thus we go to be with the Lord. we Marry the Lamb. QUESTION, since a Rapture is described, why do you guys think a Rapture is even need, since we are all going to be on earth when Jesus returns, logically that doesn't add up. It only adds up via a Pre Trib Rapture of the Church {WE WHO HARVEST SOULS} being called home at the Feast of Trumps which ENDS THE HARVEST and calls for Israels ATONEMENT !!

These things are very clear. Yet men can't see them, well, men didn't see Jesus when he came either, because we are frail humans. Some saw him for who he was, those in tune with the Holy Spirit........Jesus said so, he told the Disciples NO MAN has revealed this unto, but my Father who is in Heaven has revealed this unto you. So, we can only understand these things via the Father/Holy Spirit and Jesus who now prays for us continually in Heaven. Israel will repent BEFORE the Day of the Lord, I have laid the time-line out via scriptures, but people see what they want to see at times.

1.) Israel Births Jesus fulfilling the Abrahamic Covenant that was of the Promise, not the Law. Jesus FULFILLED this and every whit of the Law while doing so. 

2.) We are in the Harvest/Gentile Church Age where God chose another/strange people to serve Him. But all men were created by God in essence, of course.

3.) Israel is once again the focus of the Father, after the Gentiles time is FULFILLED, He clearly tells us that. So Israel brought us the Messiah, then they stood aside so the whole world could be purged. as a Nation, if Israel would have stayed in charge of God's effort to reach mankind, the world would have never come to God, of course, Israel was too dogmatic, to into THE LAW, and not into THE PROMISE !! They would have never allowed Gentile Salvation etc. So, God knowing all these things, took THE MANTLE {Deliverance of all mankind to God via the Gospel of Jesus} away from Israel for a time and a season. That is what the whole POTTERS WHEEL discussion of Paul is about, that seems to go right over peoples head. its not about ELECTION or SALVATION, that is where many people become confused........IT'S ABOUT SERVICE !! God CHOOSES WHOM HE WILL, WHEN HE WILLS. Esau served the YOUNGER !! Paul is giving the Romans an example, God chose them, the Nation Israel was like unto the Elder {Esau} serving the Younger {Gentile Church}. 

 

[The Light]

11 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

'When the Son of Man COMES......'

Which time? You blend the events of different comings as Biblical fact. You probably need to know what happens at each coming?

There is a difference between when He comes for a rapture and when He comes for Armageddon and the sheep and goat judgment.

Edited May 5, 2020 by The Light

[R. Hartono]

On 5/5/2020 at 9:24 AM, Omegaman 3.0 said:

I am not sure it that is a question or an answer, in either case, I have no idea what you are attempting to say. 

The foolish virgins did not scream until the wise virgins are taken, which means there is no tribulation before the groom arrives. 

The Jewish wedding tradition says the bride is taken to the marriage at the groom's house (his father's house) and they  will be celebrating for 7 days. This 7 days of wedding is exactly the honey moon.

The same thing with Jesus and his raptured saints (the great multitude) who will be celebrating the marriage when on earth the 7 years great tribulation takes place.

The sukkah (which means tabernacle or booth, sukkot is the plural) in a Jewish wedding ceremony is the place where the bride and groom stand under the chuppah, ... and God will specially made this Tabernacle for the wedding.

While on the earth the beast antichrist blaspheme the Tabernacle of God in heaven, where under it the wedding ceremony takes place.

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and HIS TABERNACLE, and them that dwell in heaven.

Edited May 6, 2020 by R. Hartono

[Uriah]

15 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

The Jewish wedding tradition says the bride is taken to the marriage at the groom's house (his father's house) and they  will be celebrating for 7 days. This 7 days of wedding is exactly the honey moon.

Hi Hortono

Have you ever seen the ancient sources for this "tradition"? I haven't. I have been asking people for years to produce it. So far, nothing. It is a modern myth generally taken to come from authors and perhaps Jewish encyclopedia writers who quote each other in circular fashion.

[Diaste]

On 4/30/2020 at 10:39 AM, NonProfitProphet said:

Take a few moments to consider that loved one in your life who is not saved... imagine telling them that if they don’t accept Christ, you will return some day to kill them. Then take another moment to ask, “Is this really what the Bible teaches?”

I never thought of it this way but it is the logical conclusion. 

It's clearly an army of angels that comes back with Jesus in any case.

[Diaste]

On 5/6/2020 at 7:49 PM, Uriah said:

Hi Hortono

Have you ever seen the ancient sources for this "tradition"? I haven't. I have been asking people for years to produce it. So far, nothing. It is a modern myth generally taken to come from authors and perhaps Jewish encyclopedia writers who quote each other in circular fashion.

At best it's Talmudic, if it's real. The unexpected moment of the return for the bride is biblical, I have never heard about the 7 day thing anywhere but on this forum.